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So much for "a right delayed is a right denied."
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"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die." - Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer
"Never scratch your ass with a broken bottle." - Anon. |
Originally Posted By NZT: So much for "a right delayed is a right denied." Some=So (sp)-edit View Quote ![]() ![]()
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NJ is not giving up their mag and evil feature bans.
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ive been waiting since May 1990.
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: ive been waiting since May 1990. View Quote |
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looks like the Judge retired ....LOL all that work just went out the window.
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it will be tied up and pushed aside for years. its over. move is the only option.
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they won already dude. they retired their boy
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NJ will never see normal mags again. this proves it.
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"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
Robert E. Howard |
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its over, NJ will never see mags and features again. unless you get rid of all the assholes. or move
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AWB / Mag Ban Decision
Waiting on FPC's official statement. Looks like AR15's are now legal in NJ but Mags still banned - but don't quote me on that because I haven't read the opinion yet. ![]() opinion eta: Nothing changes for 30 days so don't be hasty removing any pins and such. Also not sure if we're still limited to 10 or the old 15 round mags. When I find out, I will let you know. ![]() |
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Originally Posted By Demeroma: AWB / Mag Ban Decision Waiting on FPC's official statement. Looks like AR15's are now legal in NJ but Mags still banned - but don't quote me on that because I haven't read the opinion yet. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/93999/Opera_Snapshot_2024-07-30_154924_x_com-3281030.png opinion eta: Nothing changes for 30 days so don't be hasty removing any pins and such. Also not sure if we're still limited to 10 or the old 15 round mags. When I find out, I will let you know. View Quote Just saw this on X! It's a good day and better days ahead. |
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They are not your leaders, they are your representatives. You are the leader.
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Originally Posted By Demeroma: May be more WTF? than a win. He did unban the Colt AR-15 but left New Jersey's ban on all other "assault weapons". WTF??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Demeroma: Originally Posted By WhyTanFox: Just saw this on X! It's a good day and better days ahead. He did unban the Colt AR-15 but left New Jersey's ban on all other "assault weapons". WTF??? Really? Any word on the AR-15 features? I can has adjustable stock? |
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They are not your leaders, they are your representatives. You are the leader.
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Originally Posted By WhyTanFox: Really? Any word on the AR-15 features? I can has adjustable stock? View Quote eta: If you have a Colt AR-15 then you'll be good to go in 30 days and as long as the CAR-15 is pinned, no collapsible stock, no flash suppressor, no bayo lug and unless there's an appeal. As far as all other AR-15 clones, AK's, etc, they'll remain banned in NJ. Crazy. eta: added the bold part ![]() |
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this is the most stupid shit i ever heard in my life if its only for the Colt.
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: this is the most stupid shit i ever heard in my life if its only for the Colt. View Quote Fwiw, this will be appealed to the 3rd circuit. |
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appealed appealed appealed. everyone is just throwing good money at bad. everyone knows
what its time for.... this is all a fkn Federal Judge can come up with ? if this isnt a total joke and piss on the Constitution i dont know what is. this is ludicrous . |
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It took how long and how much money to get that fucked up decision ? nah that’s bullshit.
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: It took how long and how much money to get that fucked up decision ? nah that’s bullshit. View Quote To be fair, the lower court, no matter how it ruled, was going to be appealed. Same with any middle level court ruling. The end game here is to get it in front of the USSC. Which is a long way off. |
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N.J.'s ban on AR-15 'assault' rifles is unconstitutional, federal court rules
A federal court judge on Tuesday ruled New Jersey's ban on AR-15 rifles is unconstitutional, a decision that could force the state to lift its decades-old prohibition on certain semi-automatic weapons. The judge's ruling was limited in scope it applies only to one type of firearm, the Colt AR-15, and allows "for use of self-defense within the home." It marks the latest clawback of New Jersey's famously strict gun laws following several recent pro-Second Amendment decisions from the U.S. Supreme Court. The decision was hailed as a partial victory by gun rights advocates who challenged New Jersey's ban, arguing in court papers the law "blatantly violates the fundamental rights of the state's law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms in common use for self-defense and other lawful purposes." State Attorney General Matthew Platkin said Tuesday his office would appeal the ruling, arguing it "weaponizes the Second Amendment to undermine public safety." "The AR-15 is an instrument designed for warfare that inflicts catastrophic mass injuries, and is the weapon of choice for the epidemic of mass shootings that have ravaged so many communities across this nation," Platkin said. In a 69-page decision, U.S. District Court Judge Peter Sheridan, a George W. Bush appointee, criticized "the Supreme Court's pronouncements that certain firearms policy choices are 'off the table' when frequently, radical individuals possess and use these same firearms for evil purposes." However, Sheridan wrote, he was bound by the higher court's rulings in two cases, known as Bruen and Heller. "This principle combined with the reckless inaction of our governmental leaders to address the mass shooting tragedy afflicting our Nation necessitates the Court's decision," the judge wrote. The judge's ruling concerned dual challenges to New Jersey's Assault Firearms Law, enacted in 1990, and a 2018 law signed by Gov. Phil Murphy that limited magazine sizes to 10 rounds. While Sheridan ruled the AR-15 ban unconstitutional under the new Supreme Court rulings, he upheld the state's large-capacity magazine ban under the same framework. The Supreme Court's ruling "forbade a complete prohibition on a class of gun ownership," he wrote, noting that AR-15 rifles are commonplace in gun-friendly states. But the judge's ruling only applies to the Colt model because of the "variety of firearms regulated in the Assault Firearms Law and the nuances that each individual firearm presents" and because the evidence in this case concerned the AR-15. The gun rights groups, including the New Jersey Association of Rifle and Pistol Clubs and the national Firearms Policy Coalition, filed notice appealing the judge's ruling upholding the magazine ban, court records show. "Bans on so-called 'assault weapons' are immoral and unconstitutional," FPC President Brandon Combs said in a statement Tuesday. "FPC will continue to fight forward until all of these bans are eliminated throughout the United States." https://www.nj.com/news/2024/07/njs-ban-on-ar-15-assault-rifles-is-unconstitutional-federal-court-rules.html? |
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And then SCOTUS will just not hear the case
i hate to be a dick but you guys are in dream land if you think NJ will lose the bans . sure I’ll wait another 20 years maybe … maybe we will see it then. once Kumala gets in it’s over anyway As all the Libtard brainwashed women scream women for Kumala |
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When can NJ appoint a new AG ?
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Originally Posted By KnuckleSandwich: To be fair, the lower court, no matter how it ruled, was going to be appealed. Same with any middle level court ruling. The end game here is to get it in front of the USSC. Which is a long way off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KnuckleSandwich: To be fair, the lower court, no matter how it ruled, was going to be appealed. Same with any middle level court ruling. The end game here is to get it in front of the USSC. Which is a long way off. That's correct and a bit discouraging but the fight must go on. Mark Cheeseman is the plaintiff in the Cheeseman v Platkin AWB case and this is what he said today: Today we got a bad judgment. Today is the day to regroup and and figure out how and what to do next. The fight for the second amendment will continue until we are dead and gone. |
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This is the most stupid ruling I ever seen
So I get a Colt AR15 lower , no banned features ? And can only keep it in the house for self defense ? I get all that right ? lol |
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Weeponizes
That guy makes me sick |
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![]() BREAKING NEWS: FEDERAL JUDGE FINDS NJ AR-15 BAN TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL |
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![]() ANJRPC v Platkin: A perfect example of lower court defiance of clear Supreme Court precedent. |
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The following link is a twitter thread about todays decision by a California 2A attorney.
Xcancel is a twitter proxy where you can read the thread without logging in. ![]() https://xcancel.com/MorosKostas/status/1818393899016372521 |
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US District Court for District of NJ Issues Tortured Opinion on AR & Mag Ban
In layman's terms: US District Court strikes down New Jersey's ban on "Colt AR-15" rifles but upholds "large capacity magazine" ban. To be clear, this is not a good ruling and it is not time to go purchase an AR-15. Both sides will likely appeal to the US Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. View Quote It remains unclear whether the decision is applicable specifically to the Colt AR-15 or to all AR-style copies that are available to the public. New Jersey's assault firearms law enumerates more than sixty weapons that constitute "assault firearms." The decision simply states, "Relevant to the analysis here is the provision within the Assault Firearms Law regulating the 'Colt AR-15' (hereinafter, the 'AR-15 Provision')." View Quote continued: News2A |
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This ruling after all that time and money is a Fkn joke
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: This ruling after all that time and money is a Fkn joke View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes No matter what the decision was, it was getting appealed by either us or New Jersey. The following is from Joe LoPorto of the New Jersey Firearm Owners Syndicate. Here is my initial breakdown on today's news. Today the Federal District Court of New Jersey issued a final merits based ruling in our AWB and standard capacity magazine cases. There is a great deal of confusion on what the holding means and I want to clarify as much as I can. First, at a personal level in terms of what to do, assume nothing has been struck down. Not to minimize the actual holding itself, no matter how this case was decided, it was going to be appealed and that is certainly going to happen. Second, was this a win? Thats the question everyone is asking. The answer is yes, unequivocally. This was a big win for three separate reasons and I am going to address the biggest portion of that first. 1. We have a final merits based decision. Looking at the procedural posture of similar AWB cases around the country, our case is one of the most advanced. Clarence Thomas was begging for a final, merits based decision to grant cert on in his dissent to the denial of cert on the Illinois AWB cases. We could be on a final decision with the 3rd circuit in a year. And that means it could be our case that reaches the Supreme Court first. Mark Cheeseman has been leading this grassroots fight for decades now. It would be the most fitting outcome possible for Cheeseman to be the name of the title case that ends assault weapon bans nationwide, forever. Heller, McDonald, Bruen, Cheeseman. No one in this whole country deserves that more than Mark. 2. As for the holding itself, the District Court found in its opinion that AR-15's as a class of firearms are in common use and protected under the 2nd Amendment. On the AWB question, the Court got the main holding and the analysis right. Sheridan tried to do everything possible to narrow down his order to make it as limited as possible, but as I said, it doesn't matter. We are going up on appeal with the main arguments settled in our favor and we were going to be appealing this either way. That is the important takeaway. 3. On the mag ban question, the court made two massive concessions: the Court ruled that magazines are arms; and, the Court ruled that large capacity magazines are in common use. The Court then completely gets the rest of the Bruen analysis wrong. The Court invented its own test because it viewed magazines limitations as a restriction on an arm and not an outright ban, it then used mid to late 1800's analogies to support its conclusion. The Court didn't rule in our favor, but it conceded the important points and then went into the most thinly veiled example of interest-balancing I have ever seen (in complete contradiction to Heller and Bruen). Why do I think that is a win? Because we go to the 3rd Circuit not debating about whether magazines are arms or whether "LCM's" (standard capacity magazines) are in common use. We have those two points in our pocket. The 3rd Circuit has to simply agree with the lower court on the key issues and simply apply the law correctly. Let me reiterate. We got a final decision much sooner than we thought which means we go to the 3rd circuit sooner than we thought and then on to the Supreme Court. This issue will only be fully settled when that happens. And that final decision at SCOTUS could be titled "Cheeseman." I am proud to know Mark, proud to be part of this fight and we should view this case as the victory that it is. Whether Sheridan likes it or not, we are on a path to total victory on this issue and this district court level case was only ever going to be a step along that way. |
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