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Posted: 7/8/2023 2:47:29 PM EDT
Hearing it was on their second attempt to land.
A Cessna C550 business jet had left Harry Reid International Airport in Las Vegas. The plane crashed around 4:15 am near French Valley Airport in Murrieta, California, on Saturday 6 dead after plane crashes in Murrieta Six people have died after a private plane crashed into a California field and burst into flames. The flight had left Harry Reid International Airport in Las Vegas and crashed near French Valley Airport in Murrieta, California, around 4:15 am Saturday, according to KTLA. The plane burst into flames when it crashed and video from the scene showed the charge fuselage. The flight was a Cessna C550 business jet. There was no word on what caused the crashed or the names of the people who died. 'Deputies located an aircraft fully engulfed,' the Riverside County Sheriff's Department stated about eh crash. 'Six occupants from the plane were located and pronounced deceased at the scene.' It took firefighters about an hour to extinguish the brush fire that ignited after the plane crashed, officials said. The National Transportation Safety Board will investigate the incident. “Preliminary information indicates…the airplane crashed short of French Valley Airport during its second approach around 4:15 a.m.,” a spokesperson for the NTSB said. It is the second airplane crash near French Valley Airport in a week On July 4, a plane crashed at the same airport shortly after takeoff. In that incident, one person died and three people were injured. The type that crashed More |
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The Citation 500 series are a very forgiving aircraft if you respect their limitations.
I have lots of time in the 550, 560, and 650. |
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I drive a 560 so will be waiting for the NTSB info.
Pilot error I suspect but time will tell. |
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Quoted: Anyone know the N number? View Quote N819KR Cessna Citation II 2nd French Valley Airport Fatal Crash 8 July 2023 |
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So we don't know anything about this yet, but when you read a statement like this it's almost never good...
“Preliminary information indicates…the airplane crashed short of French Valley Airport during its second approach around 4:15 a.m.,” a spokesperson for the NTSB said. View Quote |
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Seems to have been very active this week. Attached File Equipment failure? Pilot fatigue? It could be nearly anything at this point without an investigation It does look like a fresh paint job. I can't find pics online with the red tail livery, all the standard white paint. |
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Quoted: It was foggy and visibility was shit in the footage from there this morning. From the blancolirio YouTube https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/IMG_2698-2878867.jpg View Quote WOW |
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415 AM PDT is 1115 UTC (Z)
METAR data KF70 081135Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 081115Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 081055Z AUTO 00000KT 3/4SM BR OVC003 11/11 A2985 RMK AO2 RVAV (GPS) Rwy 18 approach Looks like the best visibility requirement is 7/8 mile and it was 1/2 mile at 4:15 AM PDT. Someone should verify the applicable minimums for that aircraft. Text:KF70 081115Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2986 RMK AO2 Temperature:12.0°C ( 54°F) Dewpoint:12.0°C ( 54°F) [RH = 100%] Pressure (altimeter):29.86 inches Hg (1011.3 mb) Winds:calm Visibility:0.50 sm ( 0.80 km) Ceiling:300 feet AGL Clouds:overcast cloud deck at 300 feet AGL Weather:FG (fog) QC Flag:automated observation with no human augmentation METARS from possible preflight weather check time period included. Departure time about 1016 UTC/Z KF70 081415Z AUTO 00000KT 5SM BR OVC003 12/12 A2988 RMK AO2 KF70 081355Z AUTO 00000KT 1SM BR OVC003 12/12 A2988 RMK AO2 KF70 081335Z AUTO 00000KT 2SM BR OVC003 13/13 A2988 RMK AO2 VIS 1V4 KF70 081315Z AUTO 00000KT 1/4SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2987 RMK AO2 KF70 081255Z AUTO 00000KT 3/4SM BR OVC003 12/12 A2987 RMK AO2 KF70 081235Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2987 RMK AO2 KF70 081215Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2987 RMK AO2 KF70 081155Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 081135Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 081115Z AUTO 00000KT 1/2SM FG OVC003 12/12 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 081055Z AUTO 00000KT 3/4SM BR OVC003 11/11 A2985 RMK AO2 KF70 081035Z AUTO 12003KT 10SM CLR 12/10 A2985 RMK AO2 KF70 081015Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 12/10 A2985 RMK AO2 KF70 080955Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 12/10 A2985 RMK AO2 KF70 080935Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 13/11 A2985 RMK AO2 KF70 080915Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 14/12 A2985 RMK AO2 KF70 080855Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 13/11 A2985 RMK AO2 KF70 080835Z AUTO 13003KT 10SM CLR 13/11 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 080815Z AUTO 12003KT 10SM CLR 13/10 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 080755Z AUTO 12003KT 10SM CLR 14/11 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 080735Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 14/11 A2986 RMK AO2 KF70 080715Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 15/11 A2987 RMK AO2 KF70 080655Z AUTO 18003KT 10SM CLR 15/11 A2987 RMK AO2 KF70 080635Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 16/11 A2987 RMK AO2 |
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So vis below minimums for the RNAV... Wonder what the AWOS said, and if the AWOS said below min for the approach, why did he even try to get in there instead of just going to his alternate?
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Quoted: So vis below minimums for the RNAV... Wonder what the AWOS said, and if the AWOS said below min for the approach, why did he even try to get in there instead of just going to his alternate? View Quote Wouldn't the METAR data I provided come from the AWOS-3 system? Airport Communications CTAF/UNICOM: 122.8 WX AWOS-3: 119.025 (951-696-1018) MARCH APPROACH: 133.5 134.0 MARCH DEPARTURE: 133.5 134.0 WX AWOS-3PT at HMT (11 nm NE): 118.375 (951-925-6886) WX AWOS-3P at L18 (15 nm SW): 118.425 (760-723-6073) Airnav source |
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Quoted: Can someone find ADS-B data for that flight? View Quote https://globe.adsb.fi/?icao=ab2bbc&lat=33.631&lon=-117.267&zoom=10.9&showTrace=2023-07-08 |
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Quoted: So vis below minimums for the RNAV... Wonder what the AWOS said, and if the AWOS said below min for the approach, why did he even try to get in there instead of just going to his alternate? View Quote Since he crashed on the second attempt, he knew very well. Makes the question of diverting even more important I wonder how much "passenger pressure " he was getting to land it at that airport. |
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Quoted: Dude! I was there about a month ago. I’m doing okay, thankfully View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Dang! I was just at that airport 3 weeks ago. That’s wild. Dude! I was there about a month ago. I’m doing okay, thankfully You guys should start a gofundme. |
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6 dead after plane crash in Southern California | WNT |
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Looks his rate of descent put him in a bad way. Not a jet driver but if his engines wouldn't stop the descent in time you might expect a SPLAT. Look at the position of the wing relative to the tail/remains of body.
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IN before 87 pages of 'not the pilots fault/non-explosions/SMEs/' ad nauseam
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Quoted: So vis below minimums for the RNAV... Wonder what the AWOS said, and if the AWOS said below min for the approach, why did he even try to get in there instead of just going to his alternate? View Quote Assuming it's Part 91, it's legal to look/see the approach. If it's Part 135/121, that's not allowed. You need the visibility to commence the approach. |
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Is the C550 a single pilot rated aircraft?
Between the weather, where the crash was, and the fact the aircraft was very active leading up to the crash, those holes in the Swiss cheese are already starting to appear. |
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The certificate for that aircraft was issued 11/16/22, the LLC was registered 5/25/22. New pilot in type? That's what killed Tarzan.
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Quoted: Since he crashed on the second attempt, he knew very well. Makes the question of diverting even more important I wonder how much "passenger pressure " he was getting to land it at that airport. View Quote Get-there-itis kills. Perhaps the Kobe Bryant crash was similar in that regard. |
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"And although I, uh, hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like, uh,
Of course, there certainly could have been aircraft issues that we don’t know about yet. |
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UPDATE: Plane crash kills everyone on board in California | LiveNOW from FOX |
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Quoted: I drive a 560 so will be waiting for the NTSB info. Pilot error I suspect but time will tell. View Quote Considering almost all crashes have pilot error in there, you are probably right The most dangerous thing about an airplane is the pilot. Bad weather, 2nd attempt at landing, and crashing short..... weather is a factor and their instrument skills were likely off. |
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They could have easily flown the ILS into Riverside, Chino, or Ontario, and got an Uber. Freaking idiot.
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Quoted: "And although I, uh, hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like, uh, Of course, there certainly could have been aircraft issues that we don’t know about yet. View Quote We can wait a year...or two or more...for the NTSB report to come out but there is a high probability that it was pilot error possibly driven by real or perceived pressure from one or more passengers to get there now. |
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Quoted: So vis below minimums for the RNAV... Wonder what the AWOS said, and if the AWOS said below min for the approach, why did he even try to get in there instead of just going to his alternate? View Quote Because the pax had their cars at French Valley and we’re giving them shit because they wanted to divert to ONT? Not an unusual scenario. |
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