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I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go.
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Quoted: I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go. View Quote The LOP limit that is not written anywhere in the United States code? |
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Quoted: So will everyone be very angry? Or will they get thrown under the bus like "Muh Bumpstock"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This is just the tip of this massive iceberg. In the near future they will be coming hard and fast for the brace/pistol crowd with a vengeance. So will everyone be very angry? Or will they get thrown under the bus like "Muh Bumpstock"? There are a helluva lot more pistol braces out there than bump stocks. They are immensely popular (especially with the poors, lol) |
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Quoted: The LOP limit that is not written anywhere in the United States code? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go. The LOP limit that is not written anywhere in the United States code? Or the CFR or anywhere on paper. |
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Quoted: I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go. View Quote Low hanging fruit, for the reasons you mentioned, for the JBTs. They don't think it will piss off that many people if they go after the richies. |
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Quoted: I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go. View Quote I guess gun owners will have to "compromise" again-you know,give up something,so we get to keep what's left. Until the next "compromise"... |
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Quoted: The ATF can make interpretations of law and enforce their interpretations with criminal charges and confiscation of property at will. They can even change interpretations they have previously put in writing to manufacturers. Basically they can do whatever they want and are not subject to any oversight. View Quote I know... that ambiguity and the capricious real time interpretation is a huge part of the problem. |
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Quoted: I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go. View Quote SB tactical makes the Honey Badger brace, its not a coincidence they look extremely similar. ![]() Failed To Load Title |
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Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_0954_JPG-1623108.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_9119_JPG-1623109.JPG I think at this point a solid argument can be made that SBR and SBS laws are stupid and pointless. Pistol braces and "firearms" that are 14" barreled shotguns have been around and very popular for about eight years now and there has not been any adverse effects through their use in regards to violent crime. The NFA is a tax scheme and a violation of the 2nd. View Quote https://i.imgur.com/cdgOyed.gifv |
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Feel bad for the 87 people who own them.
Yes, that's envy for the few who have one, and yes I really really want a badger. |
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This is why AR pistols are stupid. Just SBR them and you don't have worry about Trump and the ATF making them illegal.
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Quoted: The ATF has trouble with the telescoping pistol brace. View Quote I have heard rumblings of this as well. When I bought my first pistol two different FFL holders told me "Fixed brace good; telescoping brace bad". Even though both are/were legal(?) they were of the opinion that easily adjustable braces would one day be declared "stocks." |
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Sounds like the ATF is struggling with a fundamental understanding of their role in American society.
Come to think of it, I am too. |
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Quoted: I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go. View Quote We'll see, but that sounds like wishful thinking. The dominoes might be gettin' ready to fall. |
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Quoted: I know... that ambiguity and the capricious real time interpretation is a huge part of the problem. View Quote At least the IRS and EPA are more or less consistent about following their own rulings. If the IRS acted like the ATF they would audit you for returns you filed that were correct when you filed them. |
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And if an ATF agent or 10 are shot in the face, there will be weeping and wailing, here, for those brave LEOs. Mourning for their poor family. Calls for the shooter to be dismembered and burnt alive.
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The "Chevron deference" is some made up .gov bullshit that needs to be struck down now.
Legislative branch has been hiding behind it ever since it became "doctrine". |
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Quoted: How is LOP measured, from where to where? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This is my guess as well. Nothing else about it is unusual. Even the 13" LOP "limit" hasn't been expressly stipulated, so this should shake that out? Trigger to shouldering point. |
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Quoted: How is LOP measured, from where to where? View Quote Face of the trigger to the rear-most portion of the brace end. Lots of major gun manufacturers attach braces as standard to their weapons. If this was a broad move against braces, we’d see a LOT more notices than just this particular one. The Honey Badger brace looks WAY over the “suggested” limit of 13”, especially in its extended position. |
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Quoted:Even the 13” LOP “limit” hasn’t been expressly stipulated, so this should shake that out? View Quote It's right there in the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, except the maximum lenght of a pistol pull is 13"." |
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Quoted: Additionally, we encourage you to reach out to the White House and ask President Trump to halt and rollback ATF's efforts to issue arbitrary and capricious decisions affecting millions of legal gun owners. White House Comment Line: (202) 456-1111 / Email LMAO. Shirley you can't be serious??? View Quote |
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Quoted: How is LOP measured, from where to where? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Novekse also sells pistols with the same brace. The length of pull is my guess as well. Does anyone own one of these lowers that can measure? Where, exactly, is the "allowable" length of pull codified? |
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Quoted: I have SBR’s and the ATF fucking with people over this is fucking stupid View Quote Going after the smugglers on the southern border violating hundreds of federal laws and ITAR is dangerous though compared to making some middle aged men spend an extra $200 on a product that was legal when they bought it. It's not even like the ATF has a shortage of real criminals with all of the felons straw buying every day and gangs transporting weapons across state lines by the boatload. |
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Quoted: I suspect if this was a broader push to reclassify braces they would have went after the SBA3, which is clearly the most popular brace on the market. The Q Honey Badger is a high end, fairly uncommon niche firearm. It seems odd for the ATF to single them out. If the issue ends up simply being that the LOP is over their arbitrary limit then all Q has to do is shorten the brace slightly and they're good to go. View Quote Need precedence to build a broader case on later. ![]() |
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Quoted: And if an ATF agent or 10 are shot in the face, there will be weeping and wailing, here, for those brave LEOs. Mourning for their poor family. Calls for the shooter to be dismembered and burnt alive. View Quote In our system of jurisprudence, we settle these debates in court, not by homicide. You know, civilization and shit..... |
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Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_0954_JPG-1623108.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_9119_JPG-1623109.JPG I think at this point a solid argument can be made that SBR and SBS laws are stupid and pointless. Pistol braces and "firearms" that are 14" barreled shotguns have been around and very popular for about eight years now and there has not been any adverse effects through their use in regards to violent crime. The NFA is a tax scheme and a violation of the 2nd. View Quote Stamps are a poll tax, completely unconstitutional... |
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