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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:16:59 AM EDT
The Maplesville Police Department performed a live-fire training exercise on Friday. It was designed to prepare officers for the circumstances that would surround an attempted terrorist attack. “It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. “When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. The more we expose ourselves to this training, the better [officers] will be if an actual situation comes up.” The drill began at Maplesville High School under the premise that terrorists were targeting the school. The objective led the assault team comprised of four officers to the property of Police Chief Todd Ingram, where the final phase of the initiative was completed. “We trained them back at the school and went over the mission repetitively with some rehearsals,” Ingram said. “Once we kicked off the operation, everything went pretty smooth. When it comes to the mindset, you’ve got to switch from police to infantry because you can’t approach it the same way.” Ingram, Casey and Hammond are all military veterans and have spent time in the Middle East. Their background has spurred such exercises in the past and will continue moving forward. Recent events throughout the nation and the world have heightened the sense of awareness throughout various communities. If anything, the town of Maplesville should feel much relief that their police department is taking the process of looking out for the people’s well being. “Who knows if it’s going to happen in Chilton County, but it is better to go ahead and start getting a team working together,” Ingram said. “If something was to happen, we would have to take charge.” According to Hammond, the need for this kind of training is becoming more and more important due to the increased challenges that face law enforcement today. The live fire presents a more accelerated form of training designed to mimic the psychological and physiological stresses. http://www.clantonadvertiser.com/2015/12/21/maplesville-trains-to-be-prepared-for-the-worst/ |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:18:40 AM EDT
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Good on them
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:21:16 AM EDT
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For those not familiar - Mapelsville is a small town at a crossroad in Alabama with a population under 1000 (my folks live there).
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:23:11 AM EDT
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This will be great.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:24:48 AM EDT
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Honestly, the police should probably have some basic fire and maneuver training. It's sorely lacking now and would obviously be useful in some active shooter type scenarios. For most agencies anything other than stacking on a door becomes disorganized clown shoes.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:25:01 AM EDT
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This will be great. This will be predictable. 
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:28:31 AM EDT
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Which one is you Bama?
And it does make since for a small department like that to have a basic understanding of small team tactics. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:30:01 AM EDT
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In before the Mraps roll on in to the thread.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:31:32 AM EDT
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In.........
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:32:43 AM EDT
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Oh, get ready for the arfcom outrage about their cargo pockets.
It's true, the skill set needed is much more infantry MOUT like than standard report and arrest taking. Most PD's, other than a few veterans don't really have much other than a couple sessions under their belt. Drilling is really the only way to build a skillset. My chief bitch is the PDs that will do one days training or maybe even a weekend and feel they got their guys up to speed on this for an emergency and never or rarely come back to brush up. You now have management that thinks they can send the local PD traffic cop in swat style with strangers and it will all be the same as a well drilled SWAT (or infantry) team. I don't SWAT but I recognize that to be good at it requires drills and repetition and team building. (Not always a luxury you can afford when the school has a nutcake with a gun in it). At least that Department is doing team building. Knowing what the other guys in your team are going to/likely going to do is immense. You want to push in a room and find the guy behind you stopped in the doorway while you button hooked? Guess who is the only target most likely. It sucks but this is the world we live in. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:33:49 AM EDT
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Well here we go I can't wait for people to flip their shit.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:37:14 AM EDT
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What a load of horse shit. Small town America is preparing to do battle because the Obama federal government can't quit social justice warrioring long enough to protect and defend it's citizens as required by the constitution.
Am I wrong? |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:38:36 AM EDT
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LOL.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:43:16 AM EDT
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Well here we go I can't wait for people to flip their shit. JADE HELM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???!?!?!?!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:43:16 AM EDT
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First, I don't think that people are going to flip their shit about this. We all realize that the world is a more dangerous place and as San Bernadino and Paris showed, the terrorists are changing tactics. Police will be asked to perform as infantry against teams with rifles acting as soldiers, they need some training and gear to meet the task.
Second, people bitch about militarization because they are ignorant of the threat or they have experienced an overly gung-ho cop in battle dress serving and protecting the shit out of them and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth. The wrong house no knocks, the no knocks for misdemeanor citations and the general asshattery of the wannabe tacti-ninjas have led to the "Oh no militarization!" cries, not cargo pockets or AR15s. (The MRAPs may have something to do with it though.  )It's not the clothes, it's not the equipment and it's not the training that causes problems. As with most things, it's assholes that cause problems. I for one am glad that these men are taking their jobs seriously enough to seek out and do additional training. God speed and protect them. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:44:21 AM EDT
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Idea is good but maybe better to coordinate with their local SD etc.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:48:38 AM EDT
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Good for them. Be prepared.
I do, however, hope they train to be prepared for armed citizens that may be defending themselves. This will be very important if anything did break out. Police need to get out of the mindset that everyone who has a gun is a target. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:52:48 AM EDT
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First, I don't think that people are going to flip their shit about this. We all realize that the world is a more dangerous place and as San Bernadino and Paris showed, the terrorists are changing tactics. Police will be asked to perform as infantry against teams with rifles acting as soldiers, they need some training and gear to meet the task. Second, people bitch about militarization because they are ignorant of the threat or they have experienced an overly gung-ho cop in battle dress serving and protecting the shit out of them and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth. The wrong house no knocks, the no knocks for misdemeanor citations and the general asshattery of the wannabe tacti-ninjas have led to the "Oh no militarization!" cries, not cargo pockets or AR15s. (The MRAPs may have something to do with it though. )
It's not the clothes, it's not the equipment and it's not the training that causes problems. As with most things, it's assholes that cause problems. I for one am glad that these men are taking their jobs seriously enough to seek out and do additional training. God speed and protect them. Nicely said. Well done. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:53:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, I don't think that people are going to flip their shit about this. We all realize that the world is a more dangerous place and as San Bernadino and Paris showed, the terrorists are changing tactics. Police will be asked to perform as infantry against teams with rifles acting as soldiers, they need some training and gear to meet the task. Second, people bitch about militarization because they are ignorant of the threat or they have experienced an overly gung-ho cop in battle dress serving and protecting the shit out of them and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth. The wrong house no knocks, the no knocks for misdemeanor citations and the general asshattery of the wannabe tacti-ninjas have led to the "Oh no militarization!" cries, not cargo pockets or AR15s. (The MRAPs may have something to do with it though. )It's not the clothes, it's not the equipment and it's not the training that causes problems. As with most things, it's assholes that cause problems. I for one am glad that these men are taking their jobs seriously enough to seek out and do additional training. God speed and protect them. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:54:09 AM EDT
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Which one is you Bama?
And it does make since for a small department like that to have a basic understanding of small team tactics. Not me. But I am familiar with the area. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:57:21 AM EDT
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For those not familiar - Mapelsville is a small town at a crossroad in Alabama with a population under 1000 (my folks live there). Thank God our small, unknown towns are preparing so well. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 9:59:42 AM EDT
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Good on them. It's good to see cops take some initiative.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:00:10 AM EDT
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Idea is good but maybe better to coordinate with their local SD etc. The Chilton County Sheriff’s Department’s SWAT team ranked No. 1 for its performance at a statewide conference last week. All 12 officers on the county’s SWAT (Special Weapons And Tactics) team participated in training and training competitions at the 2013 Alabama Tactical Officers Association Conference held in Foley, Orange Beach and Gulf Shores. - See more at: http://www.clantonadvertiser.com/2013/11/07/swat-team-earns-top-ranking-at-state-conference/#sthash.b0Troy2R.dpuf They were number 1 for several years. They are the SWAT team in this video. 
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:01:42 AM EDT
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May as well train for the inevitable, better than standing around with your dick in your hand. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:02:38 AM EDT
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Maplesville has a PD? I figured it would be covered by the SO as small as it is.
eta: good on them. I think every person (sound mind/body, cop or not) should train like this. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:03:32 AM EDT
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I am all one for being prepared but it is just one more instance of the militarization of police. And it has me wondering why a school? It reminds me of what col Dave Grossman said about Chechnya
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:03:56 AM EDT
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Small town cops= good for them protecting freedom from terrrrrists
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:12:05 AM EDT
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I am all one for being prepared but it is just one more instance of the militarization of police. And it has me wondering why a school? It reminds me of what col Dave Grossman said about Chechnya Because schools are probably this country's most popular targets for mass violence. Even if they weren't, schools make pretty good environments for this type of training, because they are often designed in a way that makes them difficult to clear. And most schools are closed this time of year, so they can actually be used for training, unlike stores and malls, which are packed and generally not available for that kind of use at any time. I want the police to handle shit like terrorist attacks and mass shootings when they happen, and I want them to do it as well as it can be done. Training makes that possible, or at least more likely. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:15:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:31:12 AM EDT
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I am all one for being prepared but it is just one more instance of the militarization of police. And it has me wondering why a school? It reminds me of what col Dave Grossman said about Chechnya What do you want your local cops to be able to handle? There could be a need for such tactics in a small town school. Do some research on Columbine. For a small school, do some research on Nickel Mine. Try to keep up with current events, and quit thinking the Mayberry model of policing is realistic. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:32:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:36:59 AM EDT
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What do you want your local cops to be able to handle? There could be a need for such tactics in a small town school. Do some research on Columbine. For a small school, do some research on Nickel Mine. Try to keep up with current events, and quit thinking the Mayberry model of policing is realistic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am all one for being prepared but it is just one more instance of the militarization of police. And it has me wondering why a school? It reminds me of what col Dave Grossman said about Chechnya What do you want your local cops to be able to handle? There could be a need for such tactics in a small town school. Do some research on Columbine. For a small school, do some research on Nickel Mine. Try to keep up with current events, and quit thinking the Mayberry model of policing is realistic. If something went down in Maplesville they are basically on their own. Sending units from Clanton is going to be a 10-15 minute response with just a couple of officers. The county might have two deputies on patrol. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:40:27 AM EDT
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Good on them Agreed |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:44:28 AM EDT
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First, I don't think that people are going to flip their shit about this. We all realize that the world is a more dangerous place and as San Bernadino and Paris showed, the terrorists are changing tactics. Police will be asked to perform as infantry against teams with rifles acting as soldiers, they need some training and gear to meet the task. Second, people bitch about militarization because they are ignorant of the threat or they have experienced an overly gung-ho cop in battle dress serving and protecting the shit out of them and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth. The wrong house no knocks, the no knocks for misdemeanor citations and the general asshattery of the wannabe tacti-ninjas have led to the "Oh no militarization!" cries, not cargo pockets or AR15s. (The MRAPs may have something to do with it though. )
It's not the clothes, it's not the equipment and it's not the training that causes problems. As with most things, it's assholes that cause problems. I for one am glad that these men are taking their jobs seriously enough to seek out and do additional training. God speed and protect them. This well written and thought out post has no place in GD. You've been here long enough to know that.
On a serious note; very well said. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:47:24 AM EDT
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is that george washington in the background? the king of england??? who?? 
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:47:51 AM EDT
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For those not familiar - Mapelsville is a small town at a crossroad in Alabama with a population under 1000 (my folks live there). That's pretty dumb. I live in a town of 1200 and we have no cops. Just the county sheriff. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:48:19 AM EDT
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Well here we go I can't wait for people to flip their shit. JADE HELM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???!?!?!?!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:53:37 AM EDT
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“It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. “When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:58:18 AM EDT
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I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Quote HistoryQuoted:
“It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. “When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! They take hostages? How many were taken hostage in San Bernardino? |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:59:25 AM EDT
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If I could afford an MRAP it would be my daily driver.
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Posted: 12/21/2015 10:59:47 AM EDT
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I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Quote HistoryQuoted:
“It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. “When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! No, that's a different problem entirely. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:14:13 AM EDT
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I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Quote HistoryQuoted:
“It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. “When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Terrorists conducting a mass shooting make it a battlefield. You need to move past the verbiage being used and focus more on the reason why the training is necessary. If you had kids in a school being attacked by terrorists would you want the local LE to wait for "the professionals"? If so thats a piss poor plan. Read about the theater in Paris. The people inside were texting and tweeting, begging the cops to storm the place. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:22:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Quote HistoryQuoted: "It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. "When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Statistically its the safest time to be alive but everyone is looking for the boogeyman around every jerkwater corner. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:25:01 AM EDT
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This must piss off 0 and the dems
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:30:55 AM EDT
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What do you want your local cops to be able to handle? There could be a need for such tactics in a small town school. Do some research on Columbine. For a small school, do some research on Nickel Mine. Try to keep up with current events, and quit thinking the Mayberry model of policing is realistic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am all one for being prepared but it is just one more instance of the militarization of police. And it has me wondering why a school? It reminds me of what col Dave Grossman said about Chechnya What do you want your local cops to be able to handle? There could be a need for such tactics in a small town school. Do some research on Columbine. For a small school, do some research on Nickel Mine. Try to keep up with current events, and quit thinking the Mayberry model of policing is realistic. Nope, one bullet only and they have to carry it in their pocket. And by default my col Grossman comment should indicate that I do keep up on current events and can obviously read a book |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:33:42 AM EDT
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My feelings also. Statistically its the safest time to be alive but everyone is looking for the boogeyman around every jerkwater corner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. "When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Statistically its the safest time to be alive but everyone is looking for the boogeyman around every jerkwater corner. Yeah I just don't understand why emergency responders would train for any possible threat they could encounter in today's world. Do you carry a gun for personal protection? Do you keep 1 at home for that same purpose? Do you train with them? Why? The chance of you needing them is actually pretty slim. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:33:46 AM EDT
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This will be great. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:37:13 AM EDT
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I had to look that town up on the map.
Yea, |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:44:28 AM EDT
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Nope, one bullet only and they have to carry it in their pocket. And by default my col Grossman comment should indicate that I do keep up on current events and can obviously read a book Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am all one for being prepared but it is just one more instance of the militarization of police. And it has me wondering why a school? It reminds me of what col Dave Grossman said about Chechnya What do you want your local cops to be able to handle? There could be a need for such tactics in a small town school. Do some research on Columbine. For a small school, do some research on Nickel Mine. Try to keep up with current events, and quit thinking the Mayberry model of policing is realistic. Nope, one bullet only and they have to carry it in their pocket. And by default my col Grossman comment should indicate that I do keep up on current events and can obviously read a book Do me a favor, and put the Grossman quote you referenced in this tread, please. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:50:38 AM EDT
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My feelings also. Statistically its the safest time to be alive but everyone is looking for the boogeyman around every jerkwater corner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"It doesn’t get any better than live-fire training,” Maplesville police officer Josh Hammond said. "When you’re taking and returning fire, the battlefield can become very confusing. I have a huge issue with a police officer thinking he's on a battlefield. This is the mentality that rolls swat teams with MRAPs for a truancy violation or some shit. Let's picture this: Oh my God, Isis came to Jerkwood and took a bunch of kids hostage. Should we wait for professionals? Naw, fire up the MRAP and load the 249! Remember! Don't shoot the little children! Yeeeehaw! Statistically its the safest time to be alive but everyone is looking for the boogeyman around every jerkwater corner. I'm sure you have started leaving your CCW at home then, since statistically you won't ever need it? |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:52:12 AM EDT
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I am all one for being prepared but it is just one more instance of the militarization of police. And it has me wondering why a school? It reminds me of what col Dave Grossman said about Chechnya Because active killers attack schools... And they're also empty for a few months during the summer and a couple weeks around Christmas. |
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