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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:38:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:39:18 AM EDT
[#1]
"Something just happened"
 After reading some news articles, there really is quite a but of info missing. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:39:53 AM EDT
[#2]
Ouch
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:39:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:40:17 AM EDT
[#4]
damn i would be shitting in my pants and screaming like a bitch on my way down
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:42:47 AM EDT
[#5]
Hearing those pilots last words facing death is chilling.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:44:27 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryDamn! Listening to that pilot in his last moments.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:44:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: damn i would be shitting in my pants and screaming like a bitch on my way down And this guy was recorded doing it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:48:18 AM EDT
[#8]
Damn
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:48:54 AM EDT
[#9]
Edited 1387Delta
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:51:02 AM EDT
[#10]
Damn, hearing the pilot.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  It didn't "explode" or "blow up" Well it certainly didn't parachute to a soft landing now, did it ?
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:52:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It didn't "explode" or "blow up" What happened at about the 12 second mark in the video? |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:52:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened at about the 12 second mark in the video? It was just swamp gas |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:53:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened at about the 12 second mark in the video? |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:54:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well it certainly didn't parachute to a soft landing now, did it ? |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:54:48 AM EDT
[#16]
I imagine something was amiss due to canceling IFR and requesting runway lights at brightest?
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:55:03 AM EDT
[#17]
Sad hearing the pilot’s last words.
Wonder what happened - spatial disorientation I imagine? |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:58:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I imagine something was amiss due to canceling IFR and requesting runway lights at brightest? IFR approach to a visual Thought he had airfield in sight Thought he had good situational awareness While making circling approach to land on 27R lost situational awareness/control My guess based on video and info thus far  X = roughly where the plane impacted according to news Another angle  Plane crash December 27, 2021 on Pepper Drive El Cajon CA. I am happy to be alive. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:58:45 AM EDT
[#19]
I thought there was some sort of “gentleman’s agreement” to not air atc audio like that.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:01:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought there was some sort of “gentleman’s agreement” to not air atc audio like that. It will probably get pulled. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:01:30 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad hearing the pilot's last words. Wonder what happened - spatial disorientation I imagine? The linked article said he clipped a power line. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:03:34 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought there was some sort of “gentleman’s agreement” to not air atc audio like that. This Doesnt need to be aired |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:03:58 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The linked article said he clipped a power line. Based on the video and info my guess he lost situational awareness/control long before any power line was hit 
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:04:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The linked article said he clipped a power line. Probably hit it just before impact, while already crashing. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:05:45 AM EDT
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looks like he was banking hard and lost altitude rapidly.
Engine sounded like they were working. I found this website explaining bank angle and lift. Not saying it is what happened but I thought Id post it. https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aerodynamics/why-does-aircraft-stall-speed-increase-with-bank-angle-aerodynamically/ |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:06:49 AM EDT
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Looks like it was in a spin.
Steep turn to final and not enough airspeed could have stalled a wing. Just spitballing. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:06:51 AM EDT
[#27]
Wow, hard to listen to that.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:09:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad hearing the pilot's last words. Wonder what happened - spatial disorientation I imagine? That spiral in seems like it could have been "came through clouds and realized at wrong angle" attempt at pull up. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:09:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like it was in a spin. Steep turn to final and not enough airspeed could have stalled a wing. Just spitballing. RNAV GPS to 17, then goes to circle to 27R. Very possible they were too slow, with too much bank angle. Especially if the circle wasn't initially planned for. I don't know shit about Lears, but there were no stall buzzers or anything in the background of that transmission. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:09:53 AM EDT
[#30]
I believe it was yet another instrument approach then circle to land casualty. They kill so many pilots in unforgiving fast aircraft.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:10:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" Pedantic |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:11:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" Yeah!! I mean why didn’t the guy be more accurate and say “geez babe I think a plane just made an uncontrolled descent into terrain and subsequently deflagrated!” as he witnessed a plane crash. He witnessed a plane crash. Give him some slack. We don’t always need to be so pedantic. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:13:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That or some sort of catastrophic failure. He went from getting the runway and instructions right, and doing the turn to "I am gonna die" in about 2 seconds. That spiral in seems like it could have been "came through clouds and realized at wrong angle" attempt at pull up. I don't think he was that close to the runway but thought he was. This will end up as pilot error. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:13:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like it was in a spin. Steep turn to final and not enough airspeed could have stalled a wing. Just spitballing. The engines sound very loud to be at basically idle power for landing. Do these jets have thrust reverser? Maybe uncommanded or accidental engagement of thrust reverser? It surely sounds like the engines are at max power. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:13:51 AM EDT
[#35]
Redacted
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:15:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" Ok are all 3300+ posts you’ve made in 8 months this detailed? I vote for an admin to change your screen name to Technical_Tammy |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:16:15 AM EDT
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That's a short trip--you can drive it in under 90 minutes.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:16:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" Looked all splody in the video, but I guess being all super technical about everything is really the most important thing. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:16:44 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hearing those pilots last words facing death is chilling. San Diego Gillespie Field Tower cleared the flight to land on runway 17. At 19:11 the flight contacted ATC, cancelling their IFR clearance and requesting to land on runway 27R. It was approved. The flight crew then requested the runway lights to be turned up, to which the controller replied that “they are at a 100% now”. The pilot requesting clearance to land then screaming “…oh shit! oh shit!,” before the transmission went silent. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:19:11 AM EDT
[#40]
To slow ..stall?
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:19:46 AM EDT
[#41]
Too slow ..stall?
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:20:08 AM EDT
[#42]
Holy shit.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:20:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pedantic |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The engines sound very loud to be at basically idle power for landing. Do these jets have thrust reverser? Maybe uncommanded or accidental engagement of thrust reverser? It surely sounds like the engines are at max power. There are several Lear drivers that are members here, hoping that a few will chime in on this thread. I don't think it is recommended to have power settings at flight idle while turning base to final in a Lear 35, more likely to pull power after crossing the fence on final. IDK, but I am sure we will get schooled on it from those that do. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:22:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: San Diego Gillespie Field Tower cleared the flight to land on runway 17. At 19:11 the flight contacted ATC, cancelling their IFR clearance and requesting to land on runway 27R. It was approved. The flight crew then requested the runway lights to be turned up, to which the controller replied that “they are at a 100% now”. The pilot requesting clearance to land then screaming “…oh shit! oh shit!,” before the transmission went silent. Mistook regular streets for the runway? |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:22:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. I know right!! Why is that troll still here? |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:25:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok are all 3300+ posts you’ve made in 8 months this detailed? I vote for an admin to change your screen name to Technical_Tammy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" Ok are all 3300+ posts you’ve made in 8 months this detailed? I vote for an admin to change your screen name to Technical_Tammy He's the only member that argues with himself in the mirror every morning, just to practice. |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:25:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe it was yet another instrument approach then circle to land casualty. They kill so many pilots in unforgiving fast aircraft. @CFII Can you explain that in more detail? Thanks |
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:26:47 AM EDT
[#49]
Finally some real atc audio. RIP pilot dude.
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Posted: 12/28/2021 11:26:52 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad that facts hurt your feels Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pedantic Sad that facts hurt your feels  Attached File |
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