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Posted: 1/13/2022 11:53:50 PM EDT
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Central or East Tn
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Posted: 1/13/2022 11:54:55 PM EDT
[#2]
East TN or Western NC.
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Posted: 1/13/2022 11:57:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Pretty good description of Missouri outside of St. Louis or Kansas City
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:01:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: * Has a natural water supply (pre-industrialization) in the form of a lake or running river. I have a concern that if dams fail and/or there is an energy crunch and no ability to move water under power. Lakefront property is expensive, relatively scarce, and gives intruders an easy means of access. OTOH, just about any land with a well on it will have a pump capable of being powered by a generator, if the grid goes down. Why needlessly limit your choices? |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:02:02 AM EDT
[#5]
Missouri is great, Springfield area is nice, lots of outdoor recreation.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:03:31 AM EDT
[#6]
South Dakota
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:08:44 AM EDT
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Instead of waterfront that has contaminated surface water, drill 2 wells and have a hand pump in at least one. Water problem solved, water problem staying solved.
To your other questions, I'd say you are looking in the TN, NC, WV areas. What do you do for work? Truth be told, while MN is a blue state, the vast majority of out state counties are solid red with a passion. We give zero fucks what Minneapolis does. Gun laws here are actually pretty good. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:11:22 AM EDT
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that guy is nuts.
I believe there will be deaths, but not anywhere close to his numbers. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:11:28 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lakefront property is expensive, relatively scarce, and gives intruders an easy means of access. OTOH, just about any land with a well on it will have a pump capable of being powered by a generator, if the grid goes down. Why needlessly limit your choices? I suppose I meant proximity to a lake rather than the view ;-) I updated the post to reflect I'm looking for water and ground water will suffice. Thanks for your input. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:12:20 AM EDT
[#10]
Northern MN. Jobs farm land out of the way lots of area and water
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:16:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hi all, Old time member, been inactive for a while. We moved to Europe some years ago but the covid is turning this place into a dictatorial dystopian hell. We're always worried that someone is going to jam a needle into our kid's arms. We've decided to move back to the US and I'm looking for some advice on where to move. While we're not sure that this scenario will play out we do believe that it is a possibility, and if it does occur, we may see some period of worldwide famine. Its already too lte for nearly 1.5 billion human beings who may die from covid vaccines We are concerned about this and we're looking for a way to be able to sustain ourselves in regards to food, ie, a small farm. If where you live fits these requirements or you know of a place that does, I'd love to hear from you and your views/opinions on this subject. We're looking for a place to live: * Has natural rainfall * Has a natural water supply (pre-industrialization) in the form of a pond, lake, running stream/river and/or access to ground water. I have a concern that if dams fail and/or there is an energy crunch and no ability to move water under power. * Is a red state * The state government respects a citizen's rights to make their own medical decisions and doesn't believe in pushing immoral and illegal mandates * A pro-gun state that believes in the 2nd amendment * Has pro-carry laws * And of course, we're looking for a 'conservative' area * We would like to be "out of the way" - somewhere that won't get a lot of attention, a bit secluded, can I say rural? Can't be too far from a big city. * Looking for lots of nature I appreciate anyone and everyone's input. Disclaimer: I'm not looking for a covid debate. I believe you have a right to your own opinions and to make your own health choices. I respect your right to make your own decisions and I expect that you will respect mine Ohio, buddy. We check all the boxes, but we fly under the radar. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:18:02 AM EDT
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West “By God” Virginia would fulfill you needs.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:19:40 AM EDT
[#13]
IBTM
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:21:39 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ohio, buddy. We check all the boxes, but we fly under the radar. True. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:23:01 AM EDT
[#15]
I picked southern IA about an hour from Des Moines.
Land is still affordable compared to other places. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:24:21 AM EDT
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The free state of Florida.
You can live here year-round with no heat or air conditioning if you had to. Electric rates are lower than national average. You can get water anywhere and pump it with a traditional pitcher pump the groundwater is so high. We have the largest cow calf operation in the United States at the Deseret Ranch and the county I live in has more cows than people. Gardens grow year round. No state income tax. Recently announced that there are now more registered Republicans in Florida than Democrats. Trump won here both elections. Concealed Carry Permits are easy to get here and open carry is kind of a mixed bag, but you can carry one in your car with no permit whatsoever. Pond in front yard is fine for flushing toilets or irrigation etc but with the hand pump I can drink the same water I drink now so I don't really need to worry about purifying upon water. It's 55° at 11:30 p.m. on January 13th. Compare that to some of the other suggestions, LOL! And Florida has more rain than any other of the lower 48 states. Cisterns and rain barrels work pretty well here too. 
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:24:35 AM EDT
[#17]
SWPA
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:24:48 AM EDT
[#18]
East Oklahoma would fit your needs. It seems like there is a small pond every 100 feet there.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:25:51 AM EDT
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You described south Alabama in the Dothan area and surrounding towns. The property I looked at down there had a creek and a spring on the property
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:26:00 AM EDT
[#20]
Look at North Dakota, land of opportunity.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:26:44 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: that guy is nuts. I believe there will be deaths, but not anywhere close to his numbers. Disclaimer: I'm not looking for a covid debate. I believe you have a right to your own opinions and to make your own health choices. I respect your right to make your own decisions and I expect that you will respect mine. I posted his video in the covid section, lets talk about it: there |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:30:19 AM EDT
[#22]
I hear that 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500 is a welcoming address.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:31:26 AM EDT
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If you truly believe 1/4 of the world's population will be killed because they took the vaccine I would suggest the US is the worst place to move to because vaccination rates are higher here than most of the world and disruption of services will be worse once everyone dies.
If you want to avoid the shutdown of essential services you should move to where the vaccine uptake is lowest and start subsistence farming there. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year. South Sudan, Yemen and Afghanistan have also resisted the vaccine very successfully. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:34:22 AM EDT
[#24]
Sigh. Try Canada. Thanks. Signed actual conservatives.
We've got enough crazies and faux conservatives to last 10 lifetimes. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:38:00 AM EDT
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Every state has good and bad things about it. I have lived in several of them. One way to make a choice is decide on the size piece of land you believe you need say 20 acres or 5 acres or whatever depending on your ability to afford it. Search Zillow to see what those tracks of land are going for in several of the places you are considering. Ask yourself are you planning a large garden, orchard, livestock etc if so you want land that is good soil for growing those things.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:38:01 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: South Dakota Black Hills no, sorry the Black hills are full. so is Wyoming. maybe try Wisconsin its super nice |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:39:34 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ohio, buddy. We check all the boxes, but we fly under the radar. True. Just curious, what is the temperature up there tonight? |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:40:17 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigh. Try Canada. Thanks. Signed actual conservatives. We've got enough crazies and faux conservatives to last 10 lifetimes. ? |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:41:27 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ? What what? |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 12:49:41 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every state has good and bad things about it. I have lived in several of them. One way to make a choice is decide on the size piece of land you believe you need say 20 acres or 5 acres or whatever depending on your ability to afford it. Search Zillow to see what those tracks of land are going for in several of the places you are considering. Ask yourself are you planning a large garden, orchard, livestock etc if so you want land that is good soil for growing those things. Yeah, Florida is overcrowded, LOL! It's only 25 miles to the nearest grocery store or CVS. And 3 miles each way to my mailbox.  
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:05:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ? Good question, I'm guessing he's mistaken me for some newb-troll and didn't realize my account is older by twice the 10 years he's been here. Who knows, maybe he's been on this site for 1/2 his lifetime.  As for us, we're so conservative that we're Orthodox (I mean really, we are).  Its quite late here, I appreciate everyone's replies and I'll check the map tomorrow along with some Zillow searches as recommended. Seems that most of these are not too far from eastern MO where my (remaining) guns stay with a best friend. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:09:49 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I picked southern IA about an hour from Des Moines. Land is still affordable compared to other places. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:16:41 AM EDT
[#33]
I'm looking at the Nature Coast of Florida. It's on the west coast of Florida north of Tampa, before the coast starts turning west. Around Crystal River. Apparently this area almost never gets hit by hurricanes. It's really cheap and pretty poor, the median income is $30,000. Houses are like $150,000. But that's ok, I can work remotely. Crime rate is not great but it's lower than where I live now. I haven't looked at the public school data, I don't have kids.
Florida has no state income tax and its per capita state government spending is the lowest in the USA. Whereas Alaska has the highest and Democrats will instate an income tax to support that spending as soon as they get power. I've been thinking of scouting it out this spring. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:18:29 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm looking at the Nature Coast of Florida. It's on the west coast of Florida north of Tampa, before the coast starts turning west. Around Crystal River. Apparently this area almost never gets hit by hurricanes. It's really cheap but pretty poor, the median income is $30,000. Houses are like $150,000. But that's ok, I can work remotely. I've been thinking of scouting it out this spring. Your history of click bait says Cuba. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:19:34 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your history of click bait says Cuba. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm looking at the Nature Coast of Florida. It's on the west coast of Florida north of Tampa, before the coast starts turning west. Around Crystal River. Apparently this area almost never gets hit by hurricanes. It's really cheap but pretty poor, the median income is $30,000. Houses are like $150,000. But that's ok, I can work remotely. I've been thinking of scouting it out this spring. Your history of click bait says Cuba. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:37:08 AM EDT
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I am not going to get into your criteria, but most of the US was settled before electricity and irrigation. The issues then become dealing with the limitations of each geographic location. Take where I am in Texas... We do not get much rain for 3 months during the summer - but we generally get rain most of the rest of the year. If constructed properly, and if you don't have too much of a load on them, man made ponds (we call them tanks) can generally provide enough water for livestock most years. Our water table is shallow enough that a century ago, many people relied on hand dug wells - The drilled wells on my ranch are all under 50' and so far have never gone dry (I suspect all are over 75 years old at this point). With periodic wind, windmills can keep cisterns full enough to handle our livestock needs (plus we have tanks on each property). We have a long growing season, abet late summer is probably out - we can grow some food crops through winter (we rarely get super hard freezes that will would kill winter hardy vegetables). One thing that is going for us, our population density is still fairly low-with a little effort our towns could feed themselves easily enough (they did 100 years ago, and I think the population density was actually higher then).
That said, we are not green like most of the locations mentioned already in this thread. Population density seems to be increasing now due to telecommuting. Gradually we are getting broadband - so there is no reason people can not telecommute. Land prices are rocketing right now. 30 years ago land was about $800/acre. Now, on smaller places, it is tagging $20k/acre. That makes the "traditional" 80 acres outside the price range of most people-hard to believe that can be worth over 1m without minerals. That is also a limitation. |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:42:22 AM EDT
[#37]
Southern Ohio, or Northeastern, Ohio
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:49:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:50:24 AM EDT
[#39]
WTF is "natural rainfall?" Is there any other kind?
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Posted: 1/14/2022 1:55:28 AM EDT
[#40]
Central or northern South Carolina has everything you mentioned and then some.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:01:44 AM EDT
[#41]
I'd say come to Tennessee but we are pretty full. Go to Alabama.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:01:52 AM EDT
[#42]
Is there anywhere in the southeast that doesn’t meet this criteria? Most spots East of the Mississippi and South of the Ohio should fit the bill.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:27:39 AM EDT
[#43]
Come to Iowa dude. We will welcome your kind here
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:33:28 AM EDT
[#44]
Tennessee sounds great!!
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:37:11 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Central or East Tn We're full |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:54:17 AM EDT
[#46]
Northern Idaho, checks the boxes, the only liberal infestation is Boise.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:59:26 AM EDT
[#47]
Tennessee is full
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Posted: 1/14/2022 3:05:51 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: South Dakota Black Hills Being overrun by liberal trash from cali. Ill take all the conservative imports we can get! |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 3:07:15 AM EDT
[#49]
I think you would fit in nicely in Northern Idaho, if you could find property. Property values have shot up as people flee Blue states.
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Posted: 1/14/2022 3:08:19 AM EDT
[#50]
What do you need job/infrastructure wise?
Gulf coast states in rural areas still have affordable land. |
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