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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:12:31 AM EDT
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zastava m92
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:14:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: zastava m92 Yeah wish i hadn’t sold mine. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:15:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: zastava m92 That’s my vote. I have one of the old Century import Zastavas from about 15 years ago that I picked up for about $350, but it’s been superb. I hear the new ones are even more robust. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:19:29 AM EDT
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So 7.62x 39? How does it perform out of such a short barrel?
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:22:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: zastava m92 You spelled M85 PAP wrong. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:30:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So 7.62x 39? How does it perform out of such a short barrel? 7.62x39 performs very well out of short barrels. Much better than 5.56 |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:33:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.62x39 performs very well out of short barrels. Much better than 5.56 Oh awesome, does it also suppress well? I know regular sized AKs usually don’t suppress great |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:50:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You spelled M85 PAP wrong. This |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:55:37 AM EDT
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I had an 'older' Zastava M92 from a few years ago (not anything that is currently made/imported as far as I know), the top cover was a wobbly piece of shit that made aiming worthless and the front trunnion (where the top cover hinge connected into) was so crooked to the point that the gas piston heavily grinded into it every time it moved.
Soured my opinion on those forever. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 12:56:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s my vote. I have one of the old Century import Zastavas from about 15 years ago that I picked up for about $350, but it’s been superb. I hear the new ones are even more robust. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: zastava m92 That’s my vote. I have one of the old Century import Zastavas from about 15 years ago that I picked up for about $350, but it’s been superb. I hear the new ones are even more robust. I would like to hear how the newer models are more robust |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 1:04:58 AM EDT
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My Polish WBP Lynx has been epic, and extremely accurate. More accurate than several rifles at longer range (100 yards+)
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Posted: 9/22/2022 1:05:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This I’m noticing the 85s are a bit harder to find in stock than the 92s |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 1:06:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Polish WBP Lynx has been epic, and extremely accurate. More accurate than several rifles at longer range (100 yards+) I’ll look into that thank you |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 1:07:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had an 'older' Zastava M92 from a few years ago (not anything that is currently made/imported as far as I know), the top cover was a wobbly piece of shit that made aiming worthless and the front trunnion (where the top cover hinge connected into) was so crooked to the point that the gas piston heavily grinded into it every time it moved. Soured my opinion on those forever. Well that’s depressing I’ll definitely keep an eye on that sort of thing |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 2:08:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Polish WBP Lynx has been epic, and extremely accurate. More accurate than several rifles at longer range (100 yards+) I want one of those, or a Draco. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 2:25:37 AM EDT
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Thank you everyone, seems the majority agree on 7.62x39
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Posted: 9/22/2022 3:09:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want one of those, or a Draco. Dracos are ridiculously fun. WBP makes fantastic weapons, fit & finish on par with Fabryka Broni. When sniffing on Polish AK variants avoid "Pioneer Arms" as they do in fact manufacture "weapons" that belong in a trash can. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 3:21:49 AM EDT
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Does anybody have any experience with the vz58 pistols? I know it's not an ak, but I'm intrigued.
 Lower one is 556 with a usgi mag adapter. 
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Posted: 9/22/2022 3:23:29 AM EDT
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Atlantic sent me an ad for a Milled AK pistol (mini Jack I think?). Kind of pricy, but milled instead of stamped should be more better. If I wasn't already fixed for one I might be tempted.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 3:26:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Atlantic sent me an ad for a Milled AK pistol (mini Jack I think?). Kind of pricy, but milled instead of stamped should be more better. If I wasn't already fixed for one I might be tempted. Milled isn’t better than stamped. It’s preference as they both have pros/cons, but there is one certain fact - milled guns are much more expensive. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 3:31:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So 7.62x 39? How does it perform out of such a short barrel? better than 5.45 by far in my opinion. little bullets are very reliant on speed to do the job and when the barrel is short you lose too much speed. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 4:07:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah wish i hadn’t sold mine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: zastava m92 Yeah wish i hadn’t sold mine. Same here. I can’t even remember why I sold it, but it was a dumb decision.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 4:11:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: better than 5.45 by far in my opinion. little bullets are very reliant on speed to do the job and when the barrel is short you lose too much speed. Awesome thank you |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 4:32:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here. I can’t even remember why I sold it, but it was a dumb decision. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58346/0C19CC3B-380E-472B-913D-782F72E5D32E_jpe-2534963.JPG Damn I really want one |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:56:04 AM EDT
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Arsenal SAM7k is the answer.
And 7.62x39 does great out of short barrels. I think of it as a pointy super-magnum submachinegun round. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:07:30 AM EDT
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I went Draco early on for CL barrel, std AK furniture, and ease of rear trunion swap. Still happy with the outcome.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:09:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arsenal SAM7k is the answer. This is the answer. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:10:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went Draco early on for CL barrel, std AK furniture, and ease of rear trunion swap. Still happy with the outcome. Nice. 
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:46:09 AM EDT
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Atlantic Firearms has several flavors in stock right now. The biggest issue is going to be how you attach a stock once you SBR it. Some are threaded for a buffer tube, the Jack has an underfolder trunnion installed but not drilled, etc... That's what I'd be looking at.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:59:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2022 7:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anybody have any experience with the vz58 pistols? I know it's not an ak, but I'm intrigued. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/31/87/6c3187478bbc2367a972f8853eda932e.jpg Lower one is 556 with a usgi mag adapter. https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2018/05/20/8383210_02_csa_vz_58_pistol_640.jpg Don't have the pistol version but I do have a VZ-58 and a bunch of other AKs. I really enjoy my AKs, but I will freely admit the VZ-58 is what the AK should have been. More accurate, reliable, lighter mags, and lighter despite having a milled receiver. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 7:09:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that’s depressing I’ll definitely keep an eye on that sort of thing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had an 'older' Zastava M92 from a few years ago (not anything that is currently made/imported as far as I know), the top cover was a wobbly piece of shit that made aiming worthless and the front trunnion (where the top cover hinge connected into) was so crooked to the point that the gas piston heavily grinded into it every time it moved. Soured my opinion on those forever. Well that’s depressing I’ll definitely keep an eye on that sort of thing My top cover is hinged and locks up very tightly. Still, I have a red dot mounted on a Midwest industries rail. As for robustness of the current models, my understanding is that they are just a bit tighter and have slightly thicker receivers. I’m not sure it matters. Anything built by Zastava is pretty good, generally speaking, so long as everything is in alignment, but that’s true of any AK. The Polish Hellpups used to have issues, but I think the currently ones are made by Cugir, which is a respectable manufacturer. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 7:13:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had an 'older' Zastava M92 from a few years ago (not anything that is currently made/imported as far as I know), the top cover was a wobbly piece of shit that made aiming worthless and the front trunnion (where the top cover hinge connected into) was so crooked to the point that the gas piston heavily grinded into it every time it moved. Soured my opinion on those forever. I loved my first one so much I bought a second. Ofcourse back then they were under $400 |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 7:47:45 AM EDT
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Arsenal SAM7k
Zastava Zpap92 Galil Pistol |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 7:51:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2022 8:07:13 AM EDT
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I have been very happy with my PSA AK-P in 7.62x39. The added bonus is the impressive fireball!
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Posted: 9/22/2022 8:09:51 AM EDT
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I’m kicking myself for not buying one or three when they were 390 bucks.
Really wasn’t that long ago, either. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 8:23:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: zastava m92 The route I went. Far from my most accurate option, but it always puts a smile on my face. It sat in the safe as a pistol for a long time before I got around to filing the stamp and finishing it off  -Mike |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 8:24:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2022 8:54:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/330153/20220702_172438_jpg-2534994.JPG 107UR is my vote. Good luck finding one these days... |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 8:57:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: zastava m92 Or be a heretic and get an M85 ???? |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:08:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:18:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.45 is the answer Missed the Krink part. Edited accordingly  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20220405_193904_jpg-2535048.JPG Sure it is, just show us where the parts kits or stamped Bulgarian 5.45 shorties are. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:19:52 AM EDT
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If you get one in 7.62 its easier because all mags are going to fit interchangeably.
AK's in 5.56 you have to get mags that work in that specific type. Right now I would be buying imported guns. The Zastava ZPAP 92 and 85 are good options, as is the AOA imported Beryl pistol. I've heard good things about the WBP Jack pistols too. Personally I went with the ZPAP85 earlier this year, then because I'd bought mags for it, I bought the Zastava M90 rifle for mag compatibility. Check out the AK pistol/SBR subform Eta: Galil ace pistols are another option |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:25:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you get one in 7.62 its easier because all mags are going to fit interchangeably. AK's in 5.56 you have to get mags that work in that specific type. Right now I would be buying imported guns. The Zastava ZPAP 92 and 85 are good options, as is the AOA imported Beryl pistol. I've heard good things about the WBP Jack pistols too. Personally I went with the ZPAP85 earlier this year, then because I'd bought mags for it, I bought the Zastava M90 rifle for mag compatibility. Check out the AK pistol/SBR subform Eta: Galil ace pistols are another option The common critique that 5.56 AK mags are unobtanium is no longer accurate and shouldn't be presented as a knock on 5.56 AKs. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:26:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: zastava m92 This, or a Draco. I'd be partial to a Draco just because of the compatibility with aftermarket AK hand guards. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:26:52 AM EDT
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I’m just here for the ghetto Draco pictures.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:35:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I own a Bulgarian SLR106UR factory SBR. It works with every mag I've tried: Circle 10 (the gold standard), Polish Radom (perfectly usable import), and AC Unity (great training mags for the money). My PSA 102 also uses those. The only one's I haven't tried are Zastava steel mags, but I don't really have a need to as all of the ones listed before are readily available. PSA is also developing their own US-made 5.56 mag. The common critique that 5.56 AK mags are unobtanium is no longer accurate and shouldn't be presented as a knock on 5.56 AKs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you get one in 7.62 its easier because all mags are going to fit interchangeably. AK's in 5.56 you have to get mags that work in that specific type. Right now I would be buying imported guns. The Zastava ZPAP 92 and 85 are good options, as is the AOA imported Beryl pistol. I've heard good things about the WBP Jack pistols too. Personally I went with the ZPAP85 earlier this year, then because I'd bought mags for it, I bought the Zastava M90 rifle for mag compatibility. Check out the AK pistol/SBR subform Eta: Galil ace pistols are another option I own a Bulgarian SLR106UR factory SBR. It works with every mag I've tried: Circle 10 (the gold standard), Polish Radom (perfectly usable import), and AC Unity (great training mags for the money). My PSA 102 also uses those. The only one's I haven't tried are Zastava steel mags, but I don't really have a need to as all of the ones listed before are readily available. PSA is also developing their own US-made 5.56 mag. The common critique that 5.56 AK mags are unobtanium is no longer accurate and shouldn't be presented as a knock on 5.56 AKs. I used to have a 106FR but that was before all those other mags were available. Thanks for the correction. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:37:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You spelled M85 PAP wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: zastava m92 You spelled M85 PAP wrong. 
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Posted: 9/22/2022 9:55:46 AM EDT
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Don't waste your time trying to build by parts. The yugo m92/85 or polish hellpup are good pistols to start from, as well as arsenal aksu if you have the big bucks.
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