User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:01:47 PM EDT
 Grifters at the Pentagon LIED About U.S. Hypersonic Capabilities! |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:02:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Can't watch the vidya right meow. Is it way worse than we all think it is?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:08:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Good. I want the pentagon to lie about our capabilities.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:27:08 PM EDT
[#3]
It’s really nobody’s business what capabilities we have or don’t have unless you’re employing them or the CIC.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:28:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s really nobody’s business what capabilities we have or don’t have unless you’re employing them or the CIC. What if we're paying for a capability we don't really have? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:28:54 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's really nobody's business what capabilities we have or don't have unless you're employing them or the CIC. Unless they are embezzling the money , we don't have hyper sonics and they tell us we do. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:29:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s really nobody’s business what capabilities we have or don’t have unless you’re employing them or the CIC. Interesting logic. We shouldn’t care what weapons, tactics and capabilities our law enforcement agencies have in their arsenal either. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:33:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others?
Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:37:36 PM EDT
[#8]
We launched MARVs back in 67 or 68. Decided it wasn’t necessary then.
We can build them at-will. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:41:48 PM EDT
[#9]
How about a detailed Pentagon audit?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:44:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s really nobody’s business what capabilities we have or don’t have unless you’re employing them or the CIC. Right? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:48:09 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting logic. We shouldn’t care what weapons, tactics and capabilities our law enforcement agencies have in their arsenal either. LE is civilian DoD is National Security different rules |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 3:55:25 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about a detailed Pentagon audit? The last time someone proposed this (it was Donald Rumsfeld) we had 9/11 a week later. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:05:21 PM EDT
[#13]
Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:13:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. Yeah. At some point the political clout gained isn't worth the damage to the national security. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:16:05 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The last time someone proposed this (it was Donald Rumsfeld) we had 9/11 a week later. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about a detailed Pentagon audit? The last time someone proposed this (it was Donald Rumsfeld) we had 9/11 a week later. That's factually incorrect. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3219566/dod-makes-audit-progress-but-much-more-needs-to-happen-official-says/ |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:16:09 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The last time someone proposed this (it was Donald Rumsfeld) we had 9/11 a week later. Yes, what a coincidence from Mr. Rumsfeld. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:17:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LE is civilian DoD is National Security different rules Exactly. Everybody knows National Security isn’t accountable to the government, the people or constitutional limits. I swear some of the fucking peons around here need to learn their place and shut their mouths. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:18:47 PM EDT
[#18]
The entirety of the gov lies about everything , every single day . Defense stuff is different ? Lol
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:23:05 PM EDT
[#19]
Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit.
The Chinese and others have been whooping our ass in hypersonic research/development - many of those researches were trained her in US universities. We are just now playing catch up. There have been some recent project awards trying to kickstart US dev in the area. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:27:12 PM EDT
[#20]
Without elaboration we do have capabilities that are ready if a actual fighting War breaks out. For obvious reasons they are not discussed. Matt Gratz is a POS blowhard.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:29:34 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if we're paying for a capability we don't really have? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s really nobody’s business what capabilities we have or don’t have unless you’re employing them or the CIC. What if we're paying for a capability we don't really have? Or we are paying sketchy contractors to work on something that is already out there from someone else? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:40:18 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. After it's released, publicly available, and already consumed by everyone who is interested in it? That would look even more stupid. But then again, this entire system is a fraud where only mid-level rubes are punished for violating it. That it is in the public domain now renders the classification of it moot, and declassifies it as a matter of fact. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:43:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After it's released, publicly available, and already consumed by everyone who is interested in it? That would look even more stupid. But then again, this entire system is a fraud where only mid-level rubes are punished for violating it. That it is in the public domain now renders the classification of it moot, and declassifies it as a matter of fact. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:44:37 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. Well, at least this saves some poor Asian hottie from having to fuck Eric Swalwell to get the info. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:45:44 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit. The Chinese and others have been whooping our ass in hypersonic research/development - many of those researches were trained her in US universities. We are just now playing catch up. There have been some recent project awards trying to kickstart US dev in the area.  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:47:06 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. This is pretty much every recorded government exchange that we see. I think they all go get hookers and blow together after they say "gotcha" stuff to each other in front of the cameras. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:51:49 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit. This is an odd characterization. There is very little emphasis on “inclusion” in the DoD research community. You could certainly criticize them for wasting money on goofy weapons programs, but it generally isn’t woke. Personally, I would say DoD research is actually in danger of losing its core competencies while in pursuit of stupid buzzword wunderwaffen that were never going to be practical. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:52:10 PM EDT
[#28]
He was being a dick to the admiral.
Anyone who follows this stuff knows we have went the stealth path instead of the hypersonic path. That doesn't mean we don't have strike and deterrent capability. Yes, our position would be strengthened with better defense capabilities, but Chinese and Russian forces have no good way to stop our missiles hypersonic or not. Frankly saturation attacks are cheaper than hypersonics and more assured of a kill. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:57:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater.  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:57:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is pretty much every recorded government exchange that we see. I think they all go get hookers and blow together after they say "gotcha" stuff to each other in front of the cameras. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. This is pretty much every recorded government exchange that we see. I think they all go get hookers and blow together after they say "gotcha" stuff to each other in front of the cameras. Exactly! They "own" someone and then their families go have a steak dinner and drinks together later. And their kids go to the same elite schools with their liberal "counterparts" and their first names with the parents. Or sit together in the stands with their "rival" all chummy as their kids play lacrosse and talk about the next silent auction event or which daughter is is competing in an equestrian competition the next weekend. It's all a joke. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 4:59:28 PM EDT
[#31]
They are just lying like the Russians and Chinese.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:10:30 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Without elaboration we do have capabilities that are ready if a actual fighting War breaks out. For obvious reasons they are not discussed. I am beginning to doubt that. And so are our enemies. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:17:44 PM EDT
[#33]
Disagree. This shit needs to be more out in the open. Especially wrt the utterly worthless cLittoral Combat Ship. Until the FOGOs and industry involved are humiliated, thrown in jail and bankrupted this shit won’t change. Same goes for the “revolutionary” electric powered everything CVN. Gaetz did well; INDOPACOM and his civi butt buddy need to be honest with the taxpayer, grow a spine and call out Brandon and his minions. Put all that gold braid on the table. None of the TTPs and CLs they want to discuss in classified session are unknown to industry and analysts via open source. Come on John, be known for something in the USN other than the 63rd title holder since Kimmel.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:23:11 PM EDT
[#34]
There's this too:
Leaked Document Shows American Smart Bombs Are Failing In Ukraine American-made smart bombs are failing in Ukraine, based on successful Russian electronic jamming measures, according to a Pentagon document connected to alleged leaker Jack Teixeira. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:25:49 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. In this case, the problem is, its out there. If the Pentagon bureaucracy is telling Congress one thing, while the reality is something else, the breakdown in purse string control is as bad as the disclosure. The Pentagon civilians want to think THEY are civilian oversight of the military. It is not true. That is ultimately Congress' role. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:26:38 PM EDT
[#36]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:27:23 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're free to have that opinion. Someone with a security clearance is not free to have that opinion. Members of Congress in their oversight role (which legally is all of them) and the President, as ultimate OCA, have clearances and are not bound by argument. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:33:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. 100% this. This is what all of it is. We're being played. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:42:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is an odd characterization. There is very little emphasis on “inclusion” in the DoD research community. You could certainly criticize them for wasting money on goofy weapons programs, but it generally isn’t woke. Personally, I would say DoD research is actually in danger of losing its core competencies while in pursuit of stupid buzzword wunderwaffen that were never going to be practical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit. This is an odd characterization. There is very little emphasis on “inclusion” in the DoD research community. You could certainly criticize them for wasting money on goofy weapons programs, but it generally isn’t woke. Personally, I would say DoD research is actually in danger of losing its core competencies while in pursuit of stupid buzzword wunderwaffen that were never going to be practical. Not really odd at all. Maybe an poor word or incomplete way to characterize the state, but there are still very much "inclusion" type scoring elements in DOD proposals which interweave with the universities, government hiring, private firm actions and hiring. It is like a plague that infects everything. There is plenty of other garbage in there as well, including research into just plain dumb areas. Your second statement is 100% accurate. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:50:10 PM EDT
[#40]
Gaetz sounds like a fucking dumbass there. Keeps trying to goad them into discussing classified information in a setting where they aren't allowed to discuss classified information, then acts like he owned them for their refusal to throw away their careers by talking about it.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:53:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Members of Congress in their oversight role (which legally is all of them) and the President, as ultimate OCA, have clearances and are not bound by argument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're free to have that opinion. Someone with a security clearance is not free to have that opinion. Members of Congress in their oversight role (which legally is all of them) and the President, as ultimate OCA, have clearances and are not bound by argument. Quoted: In this case, the problem is, its out there. If the Pentagon bureaucracy is telling Congress one thing, while the reality is something else, the breakdown in purse string control is as bad as the disclosure. The Pentagon civilians want to think THEY are civilian oversight of the military. It is not true. That is ultimately Congress' role. I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:53:44 PM EDT
[#42]
In 1985 an F15 (in the first test of the missile) launched an air to space missile that left the rail at around 36,000 ft. and took out a satellite 2,000 miles away with a terminal speed of 15,000 mph.
What is the speed of a hypersonic missile? How far do the Chinese/Russian missiles travel? And, our missile program was shut down because they felt the Russians would be upset about us further developing the capabilities to hit things in space using F15's. We may not have anything today. Then again, we may and no one is talking about it. So many people believe we've got "near" space ships developed from crashed/captures alien space craft being tested/flown out there at Area 51. But don't believe we've got hypersonic missiles? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:54:24 PM EDT
[#43]
It's a stupid ass thing to spend money on anyway.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:56:05 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about a detailed Pentagon audit?  I'd rather have an audit of Fort Knox.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:56:58 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Members of Congress generally don't have clearances. They also don't have the ability to declassify information. In the case of a spillage, only the OCA has the ability to determine if the spillage warrants the original classification moot and therefore to declassify the information. Members of congress should be expected to treat classified information appropriately. Again, spillage doesn't render it unclassified, and neither Gaetz nor any member of congress can make that determination. If he wants more information, he can request a classified briefing. Discussing classified information in an uncleared forum, just because it's been released, is ripe for additional spillage of further classified information as anyone with half a brain (including the Admiral) knows. Then it is up to the military person to ask for a closed session. I didn't watch the briefing. Did the Admiral say "Sir, I'd be happy to provide you with my input in a closed session." Second, while I understand that spillage doesn't equal declassification, you're ignoring the oversight responsibility which is pretty broad. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:59:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. They can't do anything without both houses but try and get people fired up to vote more of them in. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:59:58 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Members of Congress generally don't have clearances. They also don't have the ability to declassify information. In the case of a spillage, only the OCA has the ability to determine if the spillage warrants the original classification moot and therefore to declassify the information. Members of congress should be expected to treat classified information appropriately. Again, spillage doesn't render it unclassified, and neither Gaetz nor any member of congress can make that determination. If he wants more information, he can request a classified briefing. Discussing classified information in an uncleared forum, just because it's been released, is ripe for additional spillage of further classified information as anyone with half a brain (including the Admiral) knows. I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. They already implied heavily they didnt have the capability and the leaks docs say as much. Perhaps the mil should worry more about who has access to information more than determining a classification moot after its leaked. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 5:59:59 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was being a dick to the admiral. Anyone who follows this stuff knows we have went the stealth path instead of the hypersonic path. That doesn't mean we don't have strike and deterrent capability. Yes, our position would be strengthened with better defense capabilities, but Chinese and Russian forces have no good way to stop our missiles hypersonic or not. Frankly saturation attacks are cheaper than hypersonics and more assured of a kill. The US has invested significant money to develop hypersonic weapons, under the concept of prompt strike and later conventional prompt strike. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 6:00:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're free to have that opinion. Someone with a security clearance is not free to have that opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After it's released, publicly available, and already consumed by everyone who is interested in it? That would look even more stupid. But then again, this entire system is a fraud where only mid-level rubes are punished for violating it. That it is in the public domain now renders the classification of it moot, and declassifies it as a matter of fact. Those are the mid-level rubes. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/18/2023 6:02:17 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In this case, the problem is, its out there. If the Pentagon bureaucracy is telling Congress one thing, while the reality is something else, the breakdown in purse string control is as bad as the disclosure. The Pentagon civilians want to think THEY are civilian oversight of the military. It is not true. That is ultimately Congress' role. I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
