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If an argument fails when brought to its logical extremes, the original argument as a whole fails.
Collective rights do not exist. A true right cannot infringe on the rights of others, and a collective right by definition does so. |
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Well will the decision be made? Today? Tomorrow? October?
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China delenda est
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Originally Posted By ZuoZongtang: Gorsuch asked Dreeban(justice department counsel)what would happen if a president held a sit in and had a mostly peaceful protest in front of congress. Because he objects to a piece of legislation that’s going through. In fact, delays those proceedings. Technically, that would be interrupting an official proceeding. Gorsuch asked Dreeban if that is prosecutable or not prosecutable at its core? Some official acts congress can criminalize and some they can’t. Dreeban’s answer was “probably not” This is kind of restating Jan 6 IMO. View Quote Anyone remember the Dem's sit in for a gun vote? Pepperidge Farm remembers... https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/democrats-stage-sit-in-on-house-floor-to-force-gun-vote-224656 |
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"Some people have issues. Sounds like he signed up for an entire subscription." ~Brohawk
Proud member of Team Ranstad. Arfcom St Jude Mafia 3 years Arfcom callsign: trenchfoot |
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To prosecute a former President is a dangerous precedent.
I could see this happening after everyone of them went out of office. Why even run? |
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17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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I'm optimistic, I think it goes at least 7-2 in favor of Trump. I don't think the answer to this question is that complicated and anyone with more than 3 brain cells should have enough introspection to ask "How would I want this applied to a President I actually liked?" So it should be 9-0 but the three liberal justices have to share those brain cells between them so who knows how it gets applied.
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They are going off script and trying to pick fly shit out of pepper.
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It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Lmfao. There’s no political motives in this case. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif View Quote Trump slams NYC Judge Juan Merchan for denying his right to attend Supreme Court immunity hearing |
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For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
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I'm reporting this faggot to disney for using copyrighted music for political purposes.
Now he's telling people to vote for trump but his sign says it's an indictment celebration tour? I'm so confused. |
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Had to pause to take a phone call. Are they done?
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The DOJ wants to be placed above its master, what could go wrong.
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/n725075089_288918_2774-532.jpg I guess the second impeachment trial in Feb 21 didn’t happen. View Quote He was impeached by the house while still in office. The question is, how you can hold a president accountable for potential crimes committed while in office, once they are no longer in office. |
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Never before has so much been owed by so many to so few.
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Democrats always regret the alterations they make to our government.
If they win this round, they'll soon regret it, but they never learn. |
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: He was impeached by the house while still in office. The question is, how you can hold a president accountable for potential crimes committed while in office, once they are no longer in office. View Quote You left out the part where he wasn't convicted. The Dems didn't get what they wanted, so now here we are. |
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World's okayist yeller
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Its going to be a unanimous decision. The court isnt going to come down with a split decision, they rarely do with items that have this much impact. Most of Arfcom isnt going to like it either. Somehow this place has become okay with a President having absolute immunity for non official acts as President. Impeachment and trial is the act to remove a sitting president, if you believe that is the only mechanism, then sitting duck Presidents have carte blanche to do whatever they want, as no impeachment process will move fast enough prior to the President leaving office. The only penalty for impeachment is removal from office. There are a lot of Illinois congressmen behind bars for acts while sitting members of Congress, this is only unique because its the President. Expulsion from Government and trail in the federal/state court is nothing new for the other arms of Government and I am okay with it equally applying to the Executive branch. Especially why they foment a riot in an attempt to interrupt the certification of the election results.
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"George said "TAX? Fuck that, I THE FUCKING MAN!" Then took a bunch of shots of the whiskey he made himself and shot King George in the goddamned face." -RustedAce
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Originally Posted By Hedonist: Democrats always regret the alterations they make to our government. If they win this round, they'll soon regret it, but they never learn. View Quote True. It reminds me of when Democrats lament that only government should have guns, and then when there's a President that they don't like they scream about the imaginary tyranny that he'll commit against them. Like Rachel Maddow with her ridiculous "Trump is going to put all of the gay people in camps" comment. What if they were armed Rachel? |
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"George said "TAX? Fuck that, I THE FUCKING MAN!" Then took a bunch of shots of the whiskey he made himself and shot King George in the goddamned face." -RustedAce
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Originally Posted By 4Teen_R: You left out the part where he wasn't convicted. The Dems didn't get what they wanted, so now here we are. View Quote I didn't leave anything out. I was correcting a false statement. Impeachment happens in the house, and he was impeached while still in office. Yes, we know he wasn't convicted but thats not the point. Regardless, the questions remains, how can former presidents be held accountable once they leave office? Or, should they even be? What if evidence of criminal actions don't come to light until after the president has left office? What if a president sells the nuclear codes to China during his last hour in office. Absolute immunity? |
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Never before has so much been owed by so many to so few.
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Originally Posted By glklvr: Both her and Sotomayor. Complete morons that a first year law student could outwit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By glklvr: Originally Posted By azjeeper: Justice Brown comes across as a box of rocks. Both her and Sotomayor. Complete morons that a first year law student could outwit. In 2024? Doubt it. |
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Grandfathering weapons only puts off until tomorrow what tyranny cannot accomplish today.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants. |
Originally Posted By Hedonist: Democrats always regret the alterations they make to our government. If they win this round, they'll soon regret it, but they never learn. View Quote I believe you are mistaken. They have never regretted anything and their changes have never been used against them. Our side isn’t interested in victory or at least their definition differs from ours. |
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China delenda est
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: I believe you are mistaken. They have never regretted anything and their changes have never been used against them. Our side isn't interested in victory or at least their definition differs from ours. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By Hedonist: Democrats always regret the alterations they make to our government. If they win this round, they'll soon regret it, but they never learn. I believe you are mistaken. They have never regretted anything and their changes have never been used against them. Our side isn't interested in victory or at least their definition differs from ours. Harry Reid regretted his Senate majority rule when McConnel shoved a SCOTUS pick up their ass. |
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Originally Posted By IceChimp: Every Trump pick was at least a minor upgrade to the one they replaced. Barrett is approximately 87 million percent better than Ginsburg so far. View Quote That's it in a nutshell. Overall, we are waaaaay better off with the makeup of this court vs. the court before Trump. That's not to say it is perfect or even "excellent," as it still does things that make you scratch your head and wonder WTH they're doing. |
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Grandfathering weapons only puts off until tomorrow what tyranny cannot accomplish today.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants. |
Disappointed that no one has lit themselves on fire yet.
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Originally Posted By 4Teen_R: Your saying there wasn't a trial in the Senate, and that Trump wasnt found not guilty? View Quote He was acquitted for not reaching the required 2/3rd majority. He was not found "not guilty". The issue still stands that the only power the Senate holds is to remove and bar from office. Its not a criminal proceeding. |
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"George said "TAX? Fuck that, I THE FUCKING MAN!" Then took a bunch of shots of the whiskey he made himself and shot King George in the goddamned face." -RustedAce
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Its going to be a unanimous decision. The court isnt going to come down with a split decision, they rarely do with items that have this much impact. Most of Arfcom isnt going to like it either. Somehow this place has become okay with a President having absolute immunity for non official acts as President. Impeachment and trial is the act to remove a sitting president, if you believe that is the only mechanism, then sitting duck Presidents have carte blanche to do whatever they want, as no impeachment process will move fast enough prior to the President leaving office. The only penalty for impeachment is removal from office. There are a lot of Illinois congressmen behind bars for acts while sitting members of Congress, this is only unique because its the President. Expulsion from Government and trail in the federal/state court is nothing new for the other arms of Government and I am okay with it equally applying to the Executive branch. Especially why they foment a riot in an attempt to interrupt the certification of the election results. View Quote |
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China delenda est
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: He was impeached by the house while still in office. The question is, how you can hold a president accountable for potential crimes committed while in office, once they are no longer in office. View Quote If you couldn’t do so, why even hold the senate trial after he left office? Regardless, I’m not arguing for blanket immunity which I think is not supported but I’m mainly laughing at the assertion that the DOJ is apolitical and there won’t be abuses because trust them. They basically want to be equal to the three branches themselves. IMO the impeachment process affords what might be the only safe guard to against a partisan DOJ targeting political enemies. Not the best solution, but considering how partisan things are, it might be a good idea to give the minority party a podium and the former president a chance at a defense before they’re drug through the court using lawfare. |
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Operation Mongoose?
Obama strikes Civilians with a Drone. Those were great questions. |
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Brought back from the beyond to be a half-dead short-bus riding seat warmer in the Dracula factory
"non-degree special student status" **Do not Karen-tinize the Eschaton!!!** |
Originally Posted By Low_Country: He was impeached by the house while still in office. The question is, how you can hold a president accountable for potential crimes committed while in office, once they are no longer in office. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Smokey0844: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/n725075089_288918_2774-532.jpg I guess the second impeachment trial in Feb 21 didn’t happen. He was impeached by the house while still in office. The question is, how you can hold a president accountable for potential crimes committed while in office, once they are no longer in office. You can't. That's the entire idea behind the special protections afforded to the office. Why is this so hard to understand? The President is prosecutable by the impeachment process only, for anything that took place while in office. Once the President leaves office (after inauguration day) then he is held to the same prosecution process everyone else is, but only for CRIMES COMMITTED AFTER HE LEAVES OFFICE. |
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FJB FBHO
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Brought back from the beyond to be a half-dead short-bus riding seat warmer in the Dracula factory
"non-degree special student status" **Do not Karen-tinize the Eschaton!!!** |
Don’t forget that the DOJ said the president did have full immunity as long as the AG blessed off on the action.
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Originally Posted By Actiondiver: This very interesting and the arguments would open up a serious can of worms. Sounds mostly like the DOJ is going for a power grab, usurping the power of the President, much like the commissars did in Soviet Russia under the Bolsheviks as arbitrators of what the President may do. I do not think the reasonable justices are having it. The usuals suspects are all 🤡 show it seems. View Quote that seemed to be the sell by the DOJ lawyer. Bureaucracy is practically a just God. can do no wrong. |
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Brought back from the beyond to be a half-dead short-bus riding seat warmer in the Dracula factory
"non-degree special student status" **Do not Karen-tinize the Eschaton!!!** |
Without qualified immunity, any former president could be charged or sued for any presidential acts while in office. Game over without immunity.
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On my right butt cheek is your name
It will be Yuge! Who is John Galt? I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. |
Originally Posted By jpcdmd: You can't. That's the entire idea behind the special protections afforded to the office. Why is this so hard to understand? The President is prosecutable by the impeachment process only, for anything that took place while in office. Once the President leaves office (after inauguration day) then he is held to the same prosecution process everyone else is, but only for CRIMES COMMITTED AFTER HE LEAVES OFFICE. View Quote The senates ability to remove does not overlap or trump criminal liability. The Senate does not hold power to punish perpetrators of crimes, only to remove and bar them from further service. Do you really think the only penalty of a sitting President committing Treason would be their removal from office? |
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"George said "TAX? Fuck that, I THE FUCKING MAN!" Then took a bunch of shots of the whiskey he made himself and shot King George in the goddamned face." -RustedAce
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Brought back from the beyond to be a half-dead short-bus riding seat warmer in the Dracula factory
"non-degree special student status" **Do not Karen-tinize the Eschaton!!!** |
Originally Posted By BobRoberts: The senates ability to remove does not overlap or trump criminal liability. The Senate does not hold power to punish perpetrators of crimes, only to remove and bar them from further service. Do you really think the only penalty of a sitting President committing Treason would be their removal from office? View Quote No but it could serve as a check against a partisan executive branch going after an opponent. You would then have two branches of the government in agreement and then the obvious court challenges would allow for the third to give truth input. |
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Oh shit Gorsuch just brought up drone strikes by Hussein
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