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Originally Posted By smitty_007: So now I have to decide whether to pay half the shipping cost to ensure I get my order? Loving all these shipping protection options, now… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By smitty_007: Originally Posted By FlyLeaf: Daily deal today at $10.99 Grabbed 500 rounds. So now I have to decide whether to pay half the shipping cost to ensure I get my order? Loving all these shipping protection options, now… I never opt in on that crap If it doesn't get delivered it's not my fault. UPS and PSA will have to figure it out. |
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Originally Posted By smitty_007: Edit: Are people actually paying the shipping protection at PSA? I don’t remember it being a thing. View Quote Nope. They’re a retailer not a private seller. That shit don’t show up it’s on them not me. I’ll dispute that CC charge faster than an Ethiopian running for the all you can eat buffet. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: Nope. They’re a retailer not a private seller. That shit don’t show up it’s on them not me. I’ll dispute that CC charge faster than an Ethiopian running for the all you can eat buffet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cms81586: Originally Posted By smitty_007: Edit: Are people actually paying the shipping protection at PSA? I don’t remember it being a thing. Nope. They’re a retailer not a private seller. That shit don’t show up it’s on them not me. I’ll dispute that CC charge faster than an Ethiopian running for the all you can eat buffet. This. |
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Neotopiaman -"Communism could take over the Sahara and have a shortage of sand."
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Okay, you convinced me to buy some
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Originally Posted By Glck1911: I’m liking this stuff more and more every day. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/507494/IMG_8291_jpeg-3168274.JPG View Quote That's a biggun! I just ordered 15 boxes of the stuff after getting the email. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: I assembled a parts bin SPR last month with unused optics and parts. All I needed was a barrel and gas tube. Went with a Ballistic Advantage 18” SPR barrel. Wears a USGI trigger but I’ll probably drop an MBT Larue into it. In keeping with the budget build theme I picked up 200rnds of AAC 77gr OTM “Precision” (not SMK). Of the boxes I’ve opened (all the same lot) about 20% of the rounds are dented. I’ll reach out to PSA to see what they say but I plan on trying to shoot them at least. More to follow in the coming week or so with velocities and groups. I zeroed it with contract overrun LC M855 last weekend and it shot 5x five shot groups into 1.5”. Looking to see if this ammo will hold MOA…which is my ultimate goal for this build. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2980/IMG_0648_jpeg-3201374.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2980/IMG_0642_jpeg-3201375.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2980/IMG_0647_jpeg-3201376.JPG View Quote @cms81586 Which Arken optic is that and how do you like it? |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: I assembled a parts bin SPR last month with unused optics and parts. All I needed was a barrel and gas tube. Went with a Ballistic Advantage 18” SPR barrel. Wears a USGI trigger but I’ll probably drop an MBT Larue into it. In keeping with the budget build theme I picked up 200rnds of AAC 77gr OTM “Precision” (not SMK). Of the boxes I’ve opened (all the same lot) about 20% of the rounds are dented. I’ll reach out to PSA to see what they say but I plan on trying to shoot them at least. More to follow in the coming week or so with velocities and groups. I zeroed it with contract overrun LC M855 last weekend and it shot 5x five shot groups into 1.5”. Looking to see if this ammo will hold MOA…which is my ultimate goal for this build. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2980/IMG_0648_jpeg-3201374.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2980/IMG_0642_jpeg-3201375.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2980/IMG_0647_jpeg-3201376.JPG View Quote @cms81586 Which Arken optic is that and how do you like it? |
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"Now none of the frightened soldiers moved, for they saw that cowardice and valor purchased equal plots in the snipers' killing field."
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It’s the SH4. I got it for super cheap during one of their sales a couple years ago. It was $290…I don’t remember. It it a little heavy (compared to my Leupold MK 6 that was 6x the cost) and the windage and elevation knobs are almost comically oversized, but it zeroes easily and tracks well. I had it on a CZ 455 Varmint for a while as a cheap trainer before I moved it onto this SPR. Zero issues on either. Not terrible for a couple hundred dollar optic. I also just bought a Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x to try out. Should be a nice comparison.
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I’ve got 1200 coming. As long as I am at 1.5moa or under with these I’ll be happy. We were shooting at 600 with 55gr fmj and it was a bit breezy and they got pushed off the 8” steel if I didn’t pay attention to the gusts. Less wind input is better.
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Neotopiaman -"Communism could take over the Sahara and have a shortage of sand."
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Just tested some through my Mk12 Mod 1
# Speed (FPS) 1 2783.1 2 2720.8 3 2696.0 4 2740.8 5 2683.1 6 2730.8 7 2727.4 8 2712.3 9 2730.0 10 2725.7 - AVERAGE SPEED 2725.0 Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Yumago: Just tested some through my Mk12 Mod 1 # Speed (FPS) 1 2783.1 2 2720.8 3 2696.0 4 2740.8 5 2683.1 6 2730.8 7 2727.4 8 2712.3 9 2730.0 10 2725.7 - AVERAGE SPEED 2725.0 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/493545/20240505_114721_jpg-3206142.JPG View Quote Not bad. Good enough for my purposes |
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Neotopiaman -"Communism could take over the Sahara and have a shortage of sand."
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Anyone tested the shellshock ones yet? Curious of the fps gains if any.
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Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Anyone tested the shellshock ones yet? Curious of the fps gains if any. View Quote I haven't tested any AAC NAS3 but I have done badlands. It was pushing the same velocities as black hills and faster than many other loadings. I was a little disappointed but intended to test these as well later this year |
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This stuff shoots fairly well. Getting a few rando fliers but I’ll withhold judgement until I get a better trigger installed. It’s wearing a gritty Colt USGI trigger currently. 50 yds (limit of my back yard) with the AAC 77gr house brand projectiles.
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Over 50 rounds of AAC 77gr my average velocity was 2716.6 fps with a SD of 17.91 and extreme spread of 120.5 fps.
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Out to 600yds with the AAC 77gr SMK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifheT-DKxzI View Quote Damn! |
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Any luck reloading the brass more than a couple of times? Debating if it’s worth the time or start with new.
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06: Yes, AAC marked brass is new production, made in house at PSA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bfoosh06: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: I was under the impression that aac brass is new manufacture. Is that not the case? Yes, AAC marked brass is new production, made in house at PSA. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: I was under the impression that aac brass is new manufacture. Is that not the case? View Quote I’m just wondering if primer pockets are tight enough and necks aren’t thin. Pressure is up there. Ammo Inc was making brass for PSA but sounds like it’s in-house now? |
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Originally Posted By raygixxer89: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Out to 600yds with the AAC 77gr SMK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifheT-DKxzI Damn! Impressive! |
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Just got my 77gr OTM order! Can’t wait to run some of it through my rifles.
Good on PSA for shipping it out fast…It took a bit to get to me, due to a UPS delay. Whoever packed my 75gr needs to train whoever packed my 77gr., lol. I can’t believe there wasn’t loose ammo everywhere! |
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I can't wait for my Garmin chrono so I can check out the velocity and consistency out of my ar that really "likes" this stuff.
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Originally Posted By heavy260: I’m just wondering if primer pockets are tight enough and necks aren’t thin. Pressure is up there. Ammo Inc was making brass for PSA but sounds like it’s in-house now? View Quote Ammo Inc, supplemented some PSA / AAC supply, with the JAG headstamped brass. But , all AAC headstamped brass is from in house. |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
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PSA has the 77otm for .55/round today.
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at .55 a round, its a good buy for training ammo. There are now 40 less boxes available. Your welcome.
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Originally Posted By FloridaMan11b: PSA has the 77otm for .55/round today. View Quote Are ya’ll buying this ammo for range training, shooting matches, or SD/HD, mainly? I’ve got some 75gr and just got some 77gr…I need to get out and shoot more of each. Trying to decide if I should stack the 77gr or 75gr for SD/HD purposes. |
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Originally Posted By smitty_007: Are ya’ll buying this ammo for range training, shooting matches, or SD/HD, mainly? I’ve got some 75gr and just got some 77gr…I need to get out and shoot more of each. Trying to decide if I should stack the 77gr or 75gr for SD/HD purposes. View Quote I use it for for sd/HD as well as my range ammo for the most part. Others that are decent are barns 70 tsx if you can find it, 77 tmk |
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Originally Posted By smitty_007: Are ya’ll buying this ammo for range training, shooting matches, or SD/HD, mainly? I’ve got some 75gr and just got some 77gr…I need to get out and shoot more of each. Trying to decide if I should stack the 77gr or 75gr for SD/HD purposes. View Quote HD,SD,training At the sale price it's a no brainer. Stack it deep |
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Neotopiaman -"Communism could take over the Sahara and have a shortage of sand."
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I have been picking some of this up just about every time it goes on sale for 55 cents per round and I have been shooting it since it originally came out. I have found that the standard deviation is usually between 11 to 20 FPS. It all shoots pretty hot too, but not overly hot.
Here are the groups it shot today. My JP barrel and my WOA barrel do okay with it, but my Criterion is an absolute tack driver with it. I am far from being good at shooting groups, but here is what I got. All shots from a sandbag on a bench. Chrono data was from a Garmin Xero. All rifles have a 200 yard zero. I dialed the 18 inch rifle down 1.5 MOA when I shot it at 100. 18 inch WOA @ 2727 FPS 200 yards Attached File 18 inch WOA 100 yards Attached File 18 inch WOA with 69 gr FGMM 100 yards Attached File 14.5 inch JP @ 2580 FPS 200 yards Attached File 14.5 inch JP 100 yards Attached File 14.5 inch Criterion @ 2655 FPS 200 yards Attached File 14.5 Criterion 100 yards Attached File |
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I just had a case rupture with this 77gr OTM.
Lot # SCL1CK131 Ordered on 11/21/2023 I'd load a picture, but arfcom still sucks for that. (I'll email to someone if they want to upload it) It's about a 1/2" vertical crack about 4mm from the rim to almost the middle of the case. Shooting in a Hawk Hill barrel bolt gun chambered in 223 Wylde. Been Shooting 5.56 75/77gr loads for 425rnds with no pressure signs. Have shot a good deal of AAC 75 and both 77gr loads through this gun. All from same early lots. No chrony, but I was shooting groups at 100yds and it didn't produce a flier. ( I have had a few fliers with the early lot 77gr SMK load) https://freeimage.host/i/JbzrVHP Looking at all the cases from that 5 shot string, I found this one which appears to maybe be almost split? Or maybe it was fired after the split case and just picked up fouling from the chamber... https://freeimage.host/i/JbI9KRs |
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Originally Posted By raygixxer89: Originally Posted By @metalsaber: Out to 600yds with the AAC 77gr SMK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifheT-DKxzI Damn! @metalsaber Can you break down your video setup? Link to target flashers? |
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Originally Posted By ar15joe: @metalsaber Can you break down your video setup? Link to target flashers? View Quote Red Flasher - https://magnetospeed.com/products-t1000-target-hit-indicator Basically bulletproof but expensive Green Flasher - https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/3074457345624302647 Cheap but if you hit the flasher, it's toast Spotting Scope System - https://ollin.co/collections/spotter-system Using an iPhone 15 Pro Max Spotting Scope - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1390785-REG/vortex_v502_viper_hd_20_60x85_angled.html |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Just ordered some of this stuff. Gonna try it out using this rifle. Barrel is a 1x8 twist, 16” middy Rock Creek 5R finished by CLE.
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Originally Posted By Saddlerocker: I just had a case rupture with this 77gr OTM. It's an early lot # SCL1CK131 I'd load a picture, but arfcom still sucks for that. (I'll email to someone if they want to upload it) It's about a 1/2" vertical crack about 4mm from the rim to almost the middle of the case. Shooting in a Hawk Hill barrel bolt gun chambered in 223 Wylde. Been Shooting 5.56 75/77gr loads for 425rnds with no pressure signs. Have shot a good deal of AAC 75 and both 77gr loads through this gun. All from same early lots. No chrony, but I was shooting groups at 100yds and it didn't produce a flier. ( I have had a few fliers with the early lot 77gr SMK load) https://freeimage.host/i/JbzrVHP Looking at all the cases from that 5 shot string, I found this one which appears to maybe be almost split? Or maybe it was fired after the split case and just picked up fouling from the chamber... https://freeimage.host/i/JbI9KRs View Quote Could you check to see when you ordered the Lot #, I am unsure of how to read the AAC lot #'s. |
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Looks like it had to be 11/21/2023.
I only ordered the 75gr BTHP earlier in the year. (March 2023) I thought I had gotten some of the 77s also, but that was incorrect. So not as old as I thought. Anyone know when the 77gr OTM came out? (Looks like maybe they were all released early 2023?) |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By Saddlerocker: I just had a case rupture with this 77gr OTM. It's an early lot # SCL1CK131 I'd load a picture, but arfcom still sucks for that. (I'll email to someone if they want to upload it) It's about a 1/2" vertical crack about 4mm from the rim to almost the middle of the case. Shooting in a Hawk Hill barrel bolt gun chambered in 223 Wylde. Been Shooting 5.56 75/77gr loads for 425rnds with no pressure signs. Have shot a good deal of AAC 75 and both 77gr loads through this gun. All from same early lots. https://freeimage.host/i/JbzrVHP Looking at all the cases from that 5 shot string, I found this one which appears to maybe be almost split? Or maybe it was fired after the split case and just picked up fouling from the chamber... https://freeimage.host/i/JbI9KRs https://iili.io/JbzrVHP.jpg https://iili.io/JbI9KRs.jpg Wow. Waiting to see what PSA says |
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Neotopiaman -"Communism could take over the Sahara and have a shortage of sand."
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Originally Posted By FlyLeaf: Wow. Waiting to see what PSA says View Quote I have not contacted them yet, but assume they will ask that I mail what I have from that lot # back (only have 5 boxes left, and it's a pain to mail ammo). Theyll likely replace it with a newer lot. Will it make a difference? I dunno. |
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@Saddlerocker
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I have an AAC 77gn round that had some kind of brass abnormality. Like there was a void in the brass when it was getting formed.
It would probably be safe to fire but I decided not to load it. I would say check your brass on the early lots. Has not turned me off to the product though, still buying. Attached File |
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