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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:04:19 AM EDT
1911 is great, but limited to about 6 rounds.
The Walther PPQ has 10+ rounds but too bulky to carry. Even carrying at 4 o'clock it is pretty obvious that I am carrying.

A 1911 with 10 round mag could work, but the mag is going to stick too far out.

Glock 21 is also too big.

Thinking about the FN 545 but reviews indicate its a bit too big to carry and prints too much.

What else is out there?
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 8:16:12 AM EDT
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Glock 30 or 30S.  While chunky it is about the size of a G19 Arfcom's favorite carry pistol.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 8:20:52 AM EDT
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9mm Glock and Smith & Wesson M&P conceal well.    Most writers in the gun magazines will grudgingly tell you that recent advances in hollow point  bullet technology have pretty much equalized the performance of all standard handgun calibers.  

I have .45 ACP and I have 9mm,  I would rather carry 12-15 rounds than 7-10 rounds.    

Have you been trained recently? Are you practicing regularly?  Accuracy of delivery has always been the key to success, no matter which caliber is employed.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 8:48:15 AM EDT
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Glock 30
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 8:59:46 AM EDT
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Glock 30 in a flavor of your choice. It’s even easier to conceal with the 9rd flush mag.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 9:18:09 AM EDT
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HK45C is slim for a .45. Flush 8 rds and you can have 10 rds extended, although you give up some stealth.

For warm climates, 9mm owns this game.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 9:31:37 AM EDT
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how is a 1911 limited to 6 rounds?

a standard commander or full size will take a flush fit 8+1 in the pipe. So if that's good enough, rock on.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 9:56:03 AM EDT
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I conceal full sized and Commander sized 1911's every day. Not that hard.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:01:26 AM EDT
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M&P 45 is what you seek.

Although I don't find the PPQ 45 too big to carry, the M&P 45 feels a little bit smaller than the PPQ. You can get one in 10+1 with a 4" bbl. They both can shoot equally well.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:02:27 AM EDT
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Way too small for my hands.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:03:48 AM EDT
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HK45C is slim for a .45. Flush 8 rds and you can have 10 rds extended, although you give up some stealth.

For warm climates, 9mm owns this game.
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Hmmm, don't recall seeing many of these even in local gun stores or gun shows.
Would like to see how it feels.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:04:37 AM EDT
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how is a 1911 limited to 6 rounds?

a standard commander or full size will take a flush fit 8+1 in the pipe. So if that's good enough, rock on.
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Ah, should have clarified. Currently carrying a smaller size 1911.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:06:33 AM EDT
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I conceal full sized and Commander sized 1911's every day. Not that hard.
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Current 1911 carry is compact and aluminum frame.
Only full size I have is steel and can tell the difference when carrying.
May have to search for a full size with aluminum frame.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:07:34 AM EDT
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You are correct as I did own one, but the trigger was terrible and ended up selling it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:11:15 AM EDT
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You are correct as I did own one, but the trigger was terrible and ended up selling it.
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M&P 45 is what you seek.


You are correct as I did own one, but the trigger was terrible and ended up selling it.


I agree on this. I believe the latest one has the 2.0 trigger.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:15:19 AM EDT
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I agree on this. I believe the latest one has the 2.0 trigger.
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Will see if I can find a V2 for rent at a local range and try it out.
If it is better that would be great.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:40:37 AM EDT
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G30S with SRO, etc.
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Link Posted: 5/19/2024 10:52:45 AM EDT
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1911 with an 8 round mag and  a 10 round reload is the route I would go. It's worth sacrificing a round or two for the ergonomic, weight and trigger of the 1911. The only reason to carry something other than a good 1911, is for a significant capacity increase.

Glock 30 Gen 5 will probably have the best trigger of the striker fired guns.

XDM .45 Compact. About the same size as a Glock 19. He downside is that it will have the old shitty striker triggers everything used to have (equivalent to block gen 3).

You live in Florida. Why on earth would you limit yourself to 10 rounds?

Link Posted: 5/19/2024 11:33:48 AM EDT
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Hmmm, don't recall seeing many of these even in local gun stores or gun shows.
Would like to see how it feels.
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The overall feel of the HK45 is a massive improvement over the older USP line, and much easier to shoot accurately in my experience.  Both are extremely durable, some of the toughest pistols available as proven by extreme testing.

The HK45 full size is near magical to shoot, although standard flush mags are only 10 rds (nearly single stack geometry).  I know HK could have engineered it told hold 12 rds with slight mods and would have eliminated the #1 beef everyone has about it vs the USP.  You can get some very expensive 13 rd extended mags for it, but it's no concern for me. People should spend more time at the range honing their skills and less time worrying about an extra 2-3 rds.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 11:36:01 AM EDT
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Any flavor of Glock 30 is always the answer.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 11:50:17 AM EDT
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AIWB  KT Mech Akela w/ Utiliclip Ultituck w/ Mastermind pillow wedge.

Link S&W Shield

I wouldn’t write off something with a 7 or 8 round capacity just learn to change magazines and carry extras.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 11:53:30 AM EDT
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The S&W Shield would be an option.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 11:55:02 AM EDT
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What size hands do you have?  I shoot a G30 just fine with size 2x hands.  Maybe buy a gen 5 if it was the finger bumps bothering you.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 11:55:05 AM EDT
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M&P Shield carries 7, IIRC, +1.  Same capacity as a 1911 but much smaller.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 11:55:41 AM EDT
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Gen 4 G30S, 10+1:

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Link Posted: 5/19/2024 1:05:24 PM EDT
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XDm  3.8 Compact  and then carry a 13 round reload for it if you want capacity.

Add a PRP trigger upgrade and it's even better. This one now has a green dot on it but too lazy to dig up the picture for it.

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Link Posted: 5/19/2024 1:20:14 PM EDT
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Capacity
Concealability
Power

You can only have two.

A single stack with a reload is probably the best way to hit all three unless you are willing to go with a 9mm.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 2:03:18 PM EDT
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One of my guns in the rotation is a SigC3.  It's a 1911 CCO.  Commander barrel and slide on an Officers frame.  7+1 with flush mounted mag.  I carry two Wilson Combat 8 rd mags as spares.

The Glock 19 is actually the same size as a CCO.  With the 1911 being a little slimmer, but with sharper edges and corners that Glocks don't have.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 3:12:56 PM EDT
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Para Ordnance P-10 in 45 ACP.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 4:40:48 PM EDT
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The size comment on the 30 has me totally confused. If he wants it bigger than a 30 but smaller than a 1911 it has to be a small list.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 5:39:53 PM EDT
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OP, what holster are you using?

I carried my XD 45 Service model and a full size XDm 9 for well over 10 years in a Crossbreed Supertuck, both disappeared easily and were comfortable for all day carry even in the blazing NC summer.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 6:28:07 PM EDT
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The size comment on the 30 has me totally confused. If he wants it bigger than a 30 but smaller than a 1911 it has to be a small list.
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A compact 1911 is the same grip length top to bottom as a G30.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 6:53:29 PM EDT
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OP, what holster are you using?

I carried my XD 45 Service model and a full size XDm 9 for well over 10 years in a Crossbreed Supertuck, both disappeared easily and were comfortable for all day carry even in the blazing NC summer.
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All Iwb holsters are milt sparks.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 6:54:30 PM EDT
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This checks all the boxes. 13+1 with 15+1 backup.

I actually settled on this 40, because like OP I couldn't find a 45 that fit. PPQ 45 comes really close though. I could get away with carrying it when the weather here is cooler.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 7:16:43 PM EDT
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Sig Sauer P227.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 7:21:24 PM EDT
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Way too small for my hands.
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Glock 30 or 30S.  While chunky it is about the size of a G19 Arfcom's favorite carry pistol.

Way too small for my hands.

Maybe a ‘lightly-used’ CZ 97?    All steel DA/SA with 10-rd capacity.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 8:05:41 PM EDT
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The size comment on the 30 has me totally confused. If he wants it bigger than a 30 but smaller than a 1911 it has to be a small list.
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A Taurus PT945 would do that. They were better guns than the gun writers in the mid-90s said they were. The hate would be off the charts and they are relatively rare now.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 8:06:07 PM EDT
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P227 is nice! I held one at a gun store and I liked it but they wanted like $750 for it. I believe it is 10+1 though.
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 8:06:50 PM EDT
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I totally just remembered Beretta Cougar's are pretty bad ass!
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 9:08:28 PM EDT
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P227 is nice! I held one at a gun store and I liked it but they wanted like $750 for it. I believe it is 10+1 though.
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10+1 and 14+1 mags are available. P227 has an alloy frame and is lighter than the slimmer p220.

$750 isn't a bad price for a classic P Series Sig if it is in good shape. I have to admit though that I am very biased towards Sig Sauer. I own mostly Sig pistols and have never had an issue with any of them. Sig stands behind their lifetime warranty every time, no questions asked.

In my experience the make some of the most reliable and accurate pistols on the market today.

It's not a .45 but also look at the Sig X Ten Comp. It's a 15+1 10mm with a 3.8" barrel and built in compensator. The polymer frame makes it lightweight and the 3.8" barrel makes it easily concealable. Over 2k rounds through mine with ZERO failures of any kind. It's also lights out deadly accurate. Here's a pic of a 10 shot group at 15 yds. 8 rounds in to a single 1"hole with 2 bad shots (my fault)opening the group to roughly 2".

The  X Ten Comp is now my daily CCW.


https://ibb.co/VDN1cp8
Link Posted: 5/19/2024 9:48:59 PM EDT
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The PPQ 45 is not really that bad at all, the grip is definitely a full-size grip, no getting around that. The problem I always had with it is that I've still never found anybody that makes a good holster for it, whereas I have three excellent holsters for the M&P.
Link Posted: 5/20/2024 7:27:46 AM EDT
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Near impossible to find nowadays and when you can they are insane prices.
Link Posted: 5/20/2024 7:28:23 AM EDT
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The PPQ 45 is not really that bad at all, the grip is definitely a full-size grip, no getting around that. The problem I always had with it is that I've still never found anybody that makes a good holster for it, whereas I have three excellent holsters for the M&P.
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Milt Sparks makes a really nice holster for it.
Link Posted: 5/20/2024 10:25:29 AM EDT
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Lightweight Commander size with Wilson 8+1 mags or Glock 30S.
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Way too small for my hands.
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Way too small for my hands.


The G30 is a pretty chunky grip. What kind of hands do you got? Sheesh.

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Link Posted: 5/20/2024 12:12:35 PM EDT
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Shield 45.  You can get +1 base plate from Hyve Technologies for the 7rd mag.  Taking it to 8+1.  

I also have a M&P 45 Full-size 1.0.  I replaced the sear, springs and trigger with Apex.   It shoots great, but bigger than the Shield 45.
Link Posted: 5/20/2024 2:34:59 PM EDT
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I carry a full sized 1911, with a CMC 8rd flush fit power mag, plus one ion the chamber for 9 total rds of .45 HST. A 1911 is one of the slimmest guns in a combat caliber you can carry. It nearly disappears if you wear it right. Pick a good, American made brand, and it will be 100% reliable with CMC mags.

I have a Springfield Garrison at this point, 100% reliable with the factory mag and the two CMC 8 round mags. Colt would be great as well. Both are forged steel slides and frames.

Link Posted: 5/20/2024 2:43:28 PM EDT
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S&w shield .45 is an excellent carry option but not quite 10 rounds.

https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/310-45acp-10rd

This sub compact from rock island has always intrigued me.
Link Posted: 5/20/2024 4:35:35 PM EDT
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Another vote for the HK 45C.
Link Posted: 5/20/2024 4:37:33 PM EDT
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Glock 30s
Link Posted: 5/20/2024 7:16:14 PM EDT
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Harder to find bit the Sig P250C in .45 is 9+1 and has a phenomenal double action only trigger.
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