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Yes, yes it is. Thanks, Tom. ETA: "All your page 57's..." and shit. |
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I disagree. Not so much on the well said, but what you said up there danno. Let him go to the Brady Bunch. Let all of them go that want to be. I would much rather know where we all stand on freedom than have to guess if you're just in it for the duck hunting and the bambi killing. I'd rather get shot from the front than from the back. |
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So many people have said that Zumbo made his statements out of ignorance of AR's. Well if that is true he shouldn't be in a position to where he can make statements like that for all the world to see, with no knowledge or forthought. I am all for forgive and forget, except now. I don't wish this man any harm, I just do not believe he should be able to stay in his position for a few reasons. Who knows what he will say next? If he is to go back to writing with only minor financial repercussions, it sets an example that division among 2nd amendment supporters(I don't think he fits this group) is tolerated. We need to stay together on this. I have seen comments on another site where this is being treated like it was nothing. I believe the "sit back and relax, it's only words" attitude can cause great problems. Once again, I would like to give kudos to all of those here working so hard for our rights.
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My email to Stoney point.
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OUTDOOR LIFE AND JIM ZUMBO PART WAYS
Outdoor Life magazine Editor-in-Chief Todd Smith released the following statement today regarding writer Jim Zumbo: In light of comments made by Jim Zumbo in his February 16, 2007 blog posting on the magazine’s website, Mr. Zumbo has offered to terminate his association with Outdoor Life, and the magazine has accepted his offer. Accordingly, he will no longer be contributing to the magazine in print or online. His final column with Outdoor Life will appear in the April 2007 issue, which has already gone to press. We respect Mr. Zumbo's First Amendment right to free speech, and we acknowledge his subsequent apology and admission of error. However, Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of all aspects of the shooting sports and our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with. We regret this turn of events, as Mr. Zumbo has been a good friend to this magazine and lifelong advocate for hunters and hunting rights. We appreciate the comments we've received from our loyal readers about this matter and encourage them to continue to correspond with us. Please direct any additional comments to [email protected]. |
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I must have missed something. If Zumbo had called a fellow hunter who happened to be black a N_g_er and then apologized and claimed that it was because of ignorance and his growing up in the south and that he didn't realize that so many people would be upset that he called a black man a N_g_er, but that he flew the flag ans was patriotic, he would be goen and this discussion would not be taking place. I, frankly, don't see the difference. What if he called someone a Wetback? Tonk? Wop? Mick? Limey? Which thought process would have saved Zumbo Da Dumbo's tail? Calling me a terrorist because I collect AR15s and NFA weapons is on the same damned level and shows the same level of ignorance. He judged a group of people by one attribute. In this case, it wasn't the color of their skin, it was the tool that they chose to work with. FRankly, he needs to be gone. His attitude has resulted in every goofy firearms law in the country. They Fudds don't have enough sense to understand that their rights begin and end with our rights. Let the education beginwith Zumbo da Dumbo. |
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I could care less. Let him go. He thinks like them so go join them. If the hunters in question are reading Brady literature then they are likely a lost cause anyway. Zumbo writing about a hunt with Ted isn't going to make the Brady sympathizers change their minds either. He didn't apologize he said it was windy and he was tired so that's why I'm a terrorist. ETA: Actions are important.... not words spoken after your ass is in the fire. Will see what he does for here. It will speak more to who he is and if he's sincere than any blog apology ever would have. |
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He definitely needs to reflect, apologize for his ignorance and actually mean it. The retards who would wish him physical harm and are ignorant enough to actually post it also need to take some careful reflection. He could still be an ally in our fight over 2nd amendment rights. To write him off forever is not wise. He has a faithful Fudd following who could be positively influenced for our cause. Unification is a better strategy than division and infighting in the firearm community at large if we are going to destroy such groups as the Brady bunch. |
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From Ted Nugent:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: just spoke with Jim. He's in deep dark hell. He is preparing to face his BloodBrothers here any moment now. The guy has literally lost everything. 100% dumped across the board. fired. unemployed! ostracized! wild. But the beauty is as Ive stated before, he now truly GETS IT and is now gloriously ready to do battle against all who dare think as he did prior to last Sunday. I am convinced this will pan out to be the best right hook us gunners have ever had! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would think he's never going to be any kind of right hook, at this point in his carrer he may have trouble punching himself out of a wet paper bag. His credibility is gone, does it matter now what he has to say? It's almost like letting OJ date you beautiful blond daughter. |
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Just got this email from Gerber:
For Immediate Release Contact: Jason Kintzler Phone: 307.857.4700 [email protected] Gerber Cuts Ties with Jim Zumbo Portland, OR, February 21, 2007: Gerber Legendary Blades reacted to Jim Zumbo's recent public statements moving to sever all sponsorship ties with the long-time outdoor writer and hunter, effective immediately. "After careful evaluation and consideration, we have made the decision to discontinue our relationship with Jim Zumbo," said Brendon Weaver, Director of Brand Management at Gerber. "At Gerber, we value the hunting heritage and cherish our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms." While we respect the opinions of sponsored professionals, customers and end users of our products, Mr. Zumbo's recent statements are not consistent with Gerber's culture and ideals as advocates of the hunting industry. For more information please email Jason Kintzler at [email protected] # # # # |
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They couldn't hold out. |
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Wow! They actually buckled. Looks like my next multitool may be a Gerber after all. |
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As someone else remarked, he has a large following of hunters who probably think a lot like him. If he is truly penitent and changes his ways, he could be instrumental in helping educate many other "less than educated" hunters. (Notice that I'm trying to avoid using the "F" word) If he were to do so in an effective manner, I for one would be willing to overlook his past mistakes. |
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I just received the following email from the NRA, in reply to the one I sent them on Sunday:
Emphasis added by me. |
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I agree. But the others have to understand the price that they will pay for thinking like this. |
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If only we could use "our clout" like this on the likes of shummer, clinton, fienstein, et al.(Yeah I know I mispelled it!)
We must be ever vigilant....... |
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I'm going to conduct an experiement at my club. Amongst a membership of about 1000, I can surely get a good cross section of opinion.
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You've got to be kidding, HE STILL DOESN'T QUITE GET IT??? "used for legitimate hunting purposes"??? |
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He never called for an outright ban of them. Just wanted them banned from hunting. |
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Then he's a piss poor hunting writer too, if he doesn't even know that ARs have a huge role in varmint hunting (and deer for those hunters who live in the South, where the deer tend to be on the small side....) |
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Thank you for your efforts in attempting to remove the undeserved stain that has been attached to my distinguished name by this pompous windbag. |
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With regards to Zumbo's latest statement, all I can say is "Deeds, not words." Come through on your promise to educate the other hunters, deliver them to our side in the fight against more oppressive gun laws, ANY anti-gun laws. You don't have to convert them to owning AR's, but just supporting our rights to do so. Bring those "Fudds" and "Zumbos" fully into the fight against the anti-RKBA forces, and not just for their choice of weapon, but ALL weapons. Accomplish THAT and I'll forgive him. I'll never forget though.
The ball is squarely in his court, and he has a lot of work to accomplish. Since he'll have the time to work on it, I expect some decent results in a short amount of time. Get to it. |
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Just received an email form Outdoor Life:
My response
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On dodging military service... |
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I'd rather they keep their mouths talking so I know who they are. And that is all the Fudd's have learned from this, keep your anti-gun comments to yourself. I doubt very few "have come around". |
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Well..... that's something. At least they won't be writing as many 'what ya need them thar machine guns fer' articles for a bit or getting quoted in reports on the crises of military fluffy bunny killing murder machines on the street. |
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Yup! Otherwise, ZUMBOCIDE...the best medicine. |
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Zumbo really stepped in it, I saw on Nugents site he is apologizing he didn't know what he was saying and has been schooled big time BTW he is now unemployeed at outdoor life has lost his TV show and most all his sponsors. He says he is going to get educated on the AR by the end of this week and will have one on order. He is also planning a hunting trip with AR's with Ted Nugent who I think did a lot of the "schooling"
on him. Besides what a bunch of gun owners and hunters have done. I almost feel sorry for him because i have stepped in it a few times by opening my mouth without engaging my brain. He also said that now that he is learning he intends to educate others about the "worthiness of the AR as a sporting rifle. I still think he screwed the pooch but I am hoping his epiphany will midagate things some, I am, also hopeing that the Bradys usual tactics of mis quotes and mis information will backfire when he corrects his uninformed opinion. |
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Question, as this is growing faster that I can read everything, and I just got off wortk and am getting ready to go to dinner with sdome of the local shooters.
Did he retract his statement about AR's being terrorist weapons? where? Did he retract his call for them being banned? Not just to them being used but did he retract his call for them being banned? Did he retract his staements about them, Ar's having a legitament place as a hunting weapon? Not just observing that his friends use them, but that he recognizes them as a having a use in hunting? |
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He said he is learning all he can about AR's and intends going on a hunt witth AR's with Nugent and he says he is going to try to educate others as to the worthiness of the AR. Time will tell what he will do and what effects what he has done will have. Hi second appology is on Nugets web site
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That would be me, lol. Over the top, prolly. Funny, definetely.
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I have to agree with this statement: "To all the chatroom heroes who made him unemployable, I have a word of warning: You’ve been swinging a two-edged sword. A United States in which someone can be ruined for voicing an unpopular opinion is a dangerous place. Today it was Jim’s turn. Tomorrow it may be yours. If Sarah Brady is smart—and she is very smart—she will comb through the same blogs and chatrooms I’ve been reading, excerpt some of the most vicious and foul-mouthed entries, print them up, and distribute them to Congress. Then it will be interesting to see how the men and women who wrote that stuff enjoy seeing their efforts being put to use by every anti-gunner in America." |
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That will happen no matter what. And if nobody writes them, they will manufacture them. Not like the Brady Bunch is above making up a bunch of shit. When you begin to censor yourself and limit your actions because of what your enemies "may" do, then you have already lost. Free men exercise their freedom because it is theirs. |
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Just like their "Facts" which are often made up or contorted in a way that benefits their cause. They are going to get all they want with or without our help. |
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Fromthe NRA:
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I thought it was vicious and foul-mouthed to demean our beloved freedom sticks. Let's own up to gun nut or whatever stupid name they want to call us (think of the "I am Spartacus" scene). Once you embrace the word you own it and it loses the power it once had. For god's sake, that's a jackass that represents the Democratic Party, and they love him dearly. |
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+1 Amazing people don't understand that by now. These are liberals we are dealing with They think the means justify the end. And to them 1984 is a good thing. |
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You wouldn't trust your friend's dog after he ripped a big chunk out of your kid's leg when no one was looking? But the dog's so happy now! What about an aquaintance who sucker-punches you on a dare, and wants to hang out with you again? You know people are capable of change! Didn't you see Zumbo's apology? " Hi, I'm Jim Zumbo and Hunters are the backbone of the American Second Amendment. That's why I'm willing to backpedal until this sh!tstorm goes away! " Hunting is the ONLY politically-correct form of private gun ownership now. Too much has been invested in this movement for people like you to stain it's image with your 'old school' ideas. In the words of Bill Clinton: 'I got nothin' against hunters --Heck I used to shoot ducks all the time when I wasn't in the back of my truck sampling the local puss.. Oh, never mind!" |
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What are you trying to say? People like me, old school ideas? |
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"To all the chatroom heroes who made him unemployable, I have a word of warning: You’ve been swinging a two-edged sword. A United States in which someone can be ruined for voicing an unpopular opinion is a dangerous place. Today it was Jim’s turn. Tomorrow it may be yours." Speaking of mental patients, Petzal blames us for Zumbo's demise? The guy made an unforgivable statement that somehow glorifies the bigotry towards black rifles. Our failures in the past to police our own out of some sense of not wanting to create controversy gave us nothing but restrictive gun laws (May 86, 922, AWB, etc). Zumbo was sacrificed for the good of the cause. My first commanding officer said: "You build 10 bridges, you are a bridge builder. But screw the pooch, and you're not a bridge builder anymore." The folks who hate black rifles (for hunting or otherwise) can smoke a turd in hell. These are the people who help usher in restrictive and senseless gun laws. JS |
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MSNBC has picked up the story on their website. It was a link on the www.msn.com home page. Tagline says "Washingtonpost.com"
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17307316/?GT1=9033
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We got another traitor in our midst:
How Dave Prezal really feels about your right to own an AR-15 and an AK. Does this make Petzel the John Kerry of firearms?
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The washington post has a nice article for our pleasure: Washington Post liberal tripe
The comments have attracted the antis into the fray My commetn on Petzal:
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This is up to 58 pages, even though it is essentially over. F&S believes they are golden then fine. They will see it in their pocket books.
Now is the time to apply our victory to other efforts. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=550473 ^^^^ it might not work, but if it does we will make a point. It is the next logical step in this process. We need to take on someone or something other than a Fudd now. |
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