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Posted: 9/21/2017 8:39:57 AM EST
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Sounds good. Just let us know as I'm still in for 2 spring sets. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 4:45:46 PM EST
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Sounds good. Just let us know as I'm still in for 2 spring sets. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 10:47:10 PM EST
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Sounds good. Just let us know as I'm still in for 2 spring sets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll message everyone tonight about the springs in a couple of hours. After the hurricane in Texas, I finally said F it and took the fiancé for a vacation. Sorry for being MIA. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 11:16:51 PM EST
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I'd be glad to buy a couple of sets myself. Thanks!
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Posted: 9/22/2017 4:08:12 AM EST
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Here's what I have:
waynelte - 2 springs - im sent Gunsafe - 2 springs - im sent rpol98 - 2 springs - im sent Rsell316 - 1 spring - im sent Idaholandho -1 - im sent 2020 tactical - 1 spring - im sent 1viper - 1 spring - im sent rebelcovehunter - 2 springs - im sent nukefromorbit - 2 springs - im sent I am going to get a few extra in case there are any stragglers |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 5:52:01 AM EST
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I'll take a set also.
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Here's what I have: waynelte - 2 springs - im sent Gunsafe - 2 springs - im sent rpol98 - 2 springs - im sent Rsell316 - 1 spring - im sent Idaholandho -1 - im sent 2020 tactical - 1 spring - im sent 1viper - 1 spring - im sent rebelcovehunter - 2 springs - im sent nukefromorbit - 2 springs - im sent I am going to get a few extra in case there are any stragglers |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 5:57:33 AM EST
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As in one spring?
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I'll take a set also. CSF |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 8:40:07 AM EST
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Sorry about that. Only one please.
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As in one spring? |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 6:25:25 PM EST
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I have the sprigs in hand and will have them in the mail tomorrow. For anyone interested, I have several extras.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 7:58:53 PM EST
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I'll take one. Please PM me with details on where to send funds and mailing address. Thanks!
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Posted: 9/26/2017 10:25:59 AM EST
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PM sent to Carterbrunelle
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Posted: 9/26/2017 11:43:28 AM EST
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Here's what I have so far, please IM me if there is a discrepancy. A few people sent the payment, but didn't include their username or shipping address.
Also, I'm going to take this to the EE after this round. I'm not trying to make money here, but I think this might be frowned upon by the rules. Not entirely sure. •waynelte - 2 springs - Awaiting funds and address - IM sent •Gunsafe - 2 springs - Shipping today •rpol98 - 2 springs - Shipping today •Rsell316 - 1 spring - Awaiting funds and address - IM sent •Idaholandho -1 - Shipping today •2020 tactical - 1 spring - Awaiting funds and address - IM sent •rebelcovehunter - 2 springs - Shipping today •nukefromorbit - 2 springs - Shipping today •CSFirearms - 1 spring - Paid, awaiting address - IM sent •Kwisak - 2 springs with tracking - Shipping today •Seabass25 - Awaiting funds and address - IM sent •Patrick303 - Shipping today Also here are the instructions again: Echo Spring Install Instructions |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 4:21:47 PM EST
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Money vis paypal and address sent
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:45:18 PM EST
[#14]
money and shipping info sent.
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Posted: 9/26/2017 9:11:25 PM EST
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All springs shipped. I still have several available.
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Posted: 9/27/2017 3:36:20 PM EST
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Money and address sent yesterday
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Posted: 9/29/2017 3:59:25 PM EST
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Just took apart my echo 2, you guys may wanna check yours, look at the left disconnector, maybe cast parts for this thing was a bad idea
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Posted: 9/29/2017 4:34:03 PM EST
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Just took apart my echo 2, you guys may wanna check yours, look at the left disconnector, maybe cast parts for this thing was a bad idea http://i67.tinypic.com/5ysoy9.jpg |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 4:40:45 PM EST
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What other part did you have issues with? Since I have this thing apart I might as well check it. Seriously with the price of this thing, the attention to the mim/cast whatever it is fit and finish is horrible, it’s like pot metal. Not trying to be a dick but wow, even Ron Cohen wouldn’t let this stuff out the door lol
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Posted: 9/29/2017 5:21:49 PM EST
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What other part did you have issues with? Since I have this thing apart I might as well check it. Seriously with the price of this thing, the attention to the mim/cast whatever it is fit and finish is horrible, it’s like pot metal. Not trying to be a dick but wow, even Ron Cohen wouldn’t let this stuff out the door lol |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 6:30:34 PM EST
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You know that little hook at the bottom of the trigger lock? I've broken two off. Also, look back a few pages. Someone had a hammer snap in half haha 
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Posted: 9/30/2017 2:18:34 AM EST
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These developments are very disconcerting.
Cast parts breaking... I'm turned off. |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 10:33:45 AM EST
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These developments are very disconcerting. Cast parts breaking... I'm turned off. All that said, I wouldn't put it in a rifle that I would plan to use for defensive purposes. |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 11:40:05 AM EST
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Deleted don’t wanna piss fostech off when I need parts replaced lol
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Posted: 9/30/2017 12:11:49 PM EST
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I'll be 100% honest.
I was very interested in this system. The cast parts ran me away, |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 3:46:33 PM EST
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I'll be 100% honest. I was very interested in this system. The cast parts ran me away, |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 6:08:01 AM EST
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Only 3 springs left. Post your results when you get them.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 8:52:49 AM EST
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. The newer stuff is starting to be much higher quality. It looks like they cut corners on the initial runs to get them out there. All that said, I wouldn't put it in a rifle that I would plan to use for defensive purposes. When this is made out of forged tool steel or the equivalent, I don't care the cost, I'll buy one. Until then, I don't want the headaches of sending back broken parts. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 7:26:03 PM EST
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Most companies including our militarys m16/m4’s internals are made out of 8160 investment castings, but forged tool steel would last forever
http://www.avalon-castings.com/industries/military-firearm-castings.html |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 3:48:29 PM EST
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ECHO ARII Trigger is now available in stock with $75 off use coupon "ECHOAR2" over at the fostech website. These triggers might command a pretty price by the time next week rolls around once they are out of stock everywhere. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 6:23:16 PM EST
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I have the sprigs in hand and will have them in the mail tomorrow. For anyone interested, I have several extras. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 12:19:09 AM EST
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Only 3 springs left. Post your results when you get them. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 12:25:48 AM EST
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I'll be 100% honest. I was very interested in this system. The cast parts ran me away, |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 6:13:57 AM EST
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I'll take a spring. PM incoming.
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Posted: 10/5/2017 7:38:32 PM EST
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So I sent my echo 2 trigger back to fostech today for parts replacement, may throw this in a 9mm Ar when it gets back, who’s running this in a 9mm and what bolt are you using that doesn’t require a shitton of material removed, I know for a fact that the trigger lock mechanism is wider and possibly taller than an autosear, is anyone on here running the e2 on a stock fa 9mm bolt and which one are you using, the cmmg?
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Posted: 10/5/2017 7:40:47 PM EST
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So I sent my echo 2 trigger back to fostech today for parts replacement, may throw this in a 9mm Ar when it gets back, who’s running this in a 9mm and what bolt are you using that doesn’t require a shitton of material removed, I know for a fact that the trigger lock mechanism is wider and possibly taller than an autosear, is anyone on here running the e2 on a stock fa 9mm bolt and which one are you using, the cmmg? |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 9:01:42 PM EST
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Hey mark just checked it, you widened the channel on the underside right? I did mine like that and it still feels like the hammer is dragging on something, on an m16 carrier with 556 it ran fine, I just don’t wanna take anymore material off this thing lol, mines an echo 2 so I didn’t have to angle the sear trip on this nfa bolt but again it’s dragging bad on something on this bolt lol, hell I’ll just buy a 9mm bolt that fits it if anyone can confirm one that doesn’t require modifications, I need this bolt to still run on an nfa lower and just don’t wanna fuck it up for an echo trigger
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Posted: 10/6/2017 9:45:35 AM EST
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Yea look at my hammer it’s starting to form to my bc and firing pin http://i63.tinypic.com/2ldx750.jpg |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 8:41:49 PM EST
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Does Franklin Armory BFS use cast parts also? For something that cost so much, this is unacceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yea look at my hammer it’s starting to form to my bc and firing pin http://i63.tinypic.com/2ldx750.jpg The good things about Franklin Armory's BFS. They are FORGED out of American sourced S7 steel!! (One of the toughest steels there is) They use standard AR15 fire control parts / pins so if something breaks, you can easily replace. The bad seems to be that you might need to tweak the system to run 100% reliably in certain AR set ups. They guy said that "overgassed" ARs work best, under or low gassed guns work worse. The good news is that once you tweak it to work (if your AR needs any tweaking), it works and those S7 parts will NOT break! |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 9:25:56 PM EST
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FYI, I called Franklin Armory after being unable to get through to anyone at Fostech. I was always interested in these binary triggers, and recent events pushed me over the edge. The good things about Franklin Armory's BFS. They are FORGED out of American sourced S7 steel!! (One of the toughest steels there is) They use standard AR15 fire control parts / pins so if something breaks, you can easily replace. The bad seems to be that you might need to tweak the system to run 100% reliably in certain AR set ups. They guy said that "overgassed" ARs work best, under or low gassed guns work worse. The good news is that once you tweak it to work (if your AR needs any tweaking), it works and those S7 parts will NOT break! |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 11:17:25 PM EST
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It looks like based on some of the photos posted that the Echo is manufactured with MIM parts. U.S. G.I triggers and hammers are cast steel and hold up.
As to the Franklin BFS III, it's not rocket science to get it to run 100%. A lightweight bolt carrier will pretty much insure it will run. Mine has been perfect with a 6.25 ounce carrier. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 11:31:50 PM EST
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It looks like based on some of the photos posted that the Echo is manufactured with MIM parts. U.S. G.I triggers and hammers are cast steel and hold up. As to the Franklin BFS III, it's not rocket science to get it to run 100%. A lightweight bolt carrier will pretty much insure it will run. Mine has been perfect with a 6.25 ounce carrier. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 12:00:53 AM EST
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It looks like based on some of the photos posted that the Echo is manufactured with MIM parts. U.S. G.I triggers and hammers are cast steel and hold up. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 5:24:46 AM EST
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Does Franklin Armory BFS use cast parts also? For something that cost so much, this is unacceptable. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 5:56:24 AM EST
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I am pretty sure that the casting process should not be to blame here. Investment casting is an extremely reliable way to get repeated accuracy. Metalurgy is the key. Jet engine turbines are all investment cast.
And these look more like cintered metal to me, not cast from the pictures I have seen. But I am waiting to have one in my hands. Waiting for delivery on one I ordered. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 8:00:13 AM EST
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And a fine good morning to all! I've been reading the thread with interest to see how the triggers are holding up for everyone.
My reduced power spring set is working well. No issues so far. The photos of broken disconnector hooks and reports of other broken parts is definitely a concern, but so far I've had no issues. Though I can see a very faint "shadow" of the firing pin on the hammer face. But no worse than I see on most mil spec hammers. Adios Amigos! |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 8:15:10 AM EST
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I don't hear anyone bitching about Ruger, they are the ones that pioneered the use of investment (lost wax) casting in firearms. Virtually all of the frames or receivers of every gun as well as most of the internal parts start out as castings. For my needs, I just want a trigger that can help provide very fast double taps. The BFS will do that cheaper and made with better material. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 9:09:07 AM EST
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What does that have to do with anything? The simple fact is there are many of these Fostech triggers that are breaking and from the pictures I have seen it's clear they are using a weak metal. I would rather have the Fostech as it's proven to be more reliable, but fuck that if they are using substandard materials to make it. For my needs, I just want a trigger that can help provide very fast double taps. The BFS will do that cheaper and made with better material. if your looking for a trigger made of better materials that can provide fast double taps i would recommend the geissele sd3g , it will also do it cheaper than a bfs with no tuning necessary to your setup. and just a general FYI , i was talking with Pete from fostech a couple of weeks back and if you have one of the early triggers that was #'d the new trigger lock will not work with your trigger pack. if you do want the new trigger lock they will work with you on swapping out your trigger with a new one though. i opted to keep my old one as i think i have it in a happy place now 
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Posted: 10/7/2017 9:19:16 AM EST
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Considering the current political climate, parts MAY become non-existent.
I would hate to spend that type of money on something that's MIM. I WAS going to purchase an Echo for a 9mm build, I think I'll pass now. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 9:19:47 AM EST
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when you say there are many of these triggers breaking how many is many ? i would say it's a very small percentage compared to the number of echo's out there. i've had one of these since they first came out and follow them pretty closely , including the pic of the broken disco on this page i can only remember seeing 3 or 4 pics of broken or damaged echo parts. if your looking for a trigger made of better materials that can provide fast double taps i would recommend the geissele sd3g , it will also do it cheaper than a bfs with no tuning necessary to your setup. and just a general FYI , i was talking with Pete from fostech a couple of weeks back and if you have one of the early triggers that was #'d the new trigger lock will not work with your trigger pack. if you do want the new trigger lock they will work with you on swapping out your trigger with a new one though. i opted to keep my old one as i think i have it in a happy place now |
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