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Posted: 8/30/2011 4:35:07 PM EST

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I find it interesting that you see pics of NSW Mk12's, Mk18's & 416's out there but in all these years have yet to see a Recce.

Same here.

On the Lilja barrel thing I have heard that too, but I would bet that others have been used as well. Closest I have seen to anything similar to a Recce would be what is being held by the soldier on LaRue's home page. Cut down front sight, silencer, 1-4X optic (appears to be), and a rail that extends past the front sight base.

That's a KAC RAS MRE Model A, no upper rail ahead of the front sight. Not the most common free floating rail in the world.

http://www.operationparts.com/v/vspfiles/photos/21166-1-2.jpg

Sure looks like rails to me. Maybe (for sure) not on the top, but definitely on the sides. Regardless, could this not be one made in house?

Could be, but most likely it looks like a Model A MRE(The Picture of Bob Horrigan)

http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=23990 Chop that front sight tower off and, well you get the idea.

http://www.knightarmco.com/shop/images/ras_mre_modela_21166_1_pic.jpg Traditional Model B.

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Okay.

I guess you clearly missed the threads by Wes at MSTN several years ago basically breaking down what a true Recce is/was.

He was basically the SME when it came to that style of build. Too bad he left.

I didn't miss shit. I remember what he posted more than you.

The first Recce was an issue rifle with an ACOG.

Again, okay.

At this point you're just swinging your cock, and not contributing.

You guys know you are feeding a troll, right?

Posted: 8/30/2011 4:39:16 PM EST

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The only current rifle to qualify as a an arfcom RECCE is the M4a1 SOPMOD BLOCK II with an elcan 1-4x. Even though the barrel is nit really accurized

Noveske seems to think my rifle is a RECCE...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/095.jpg

I agree that the term RECCE is more of a breed than a specific package. Just my opinion though.

I'm talking about .mil issued gear which has NSNs.

Posted: 8/30/2011 4:44:28 PM EST

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Somewhere out there tonight a Seal is laughing at all the commotion his rifle is causing. Actually... Probably not as they have real shit to worry with rather than who has the proper barrel profile or rail system for their rifle.

They've probably been laughing for years.

I remember when Wes first tried getting details on the Recon rifle, he was chastised as trying to get the info for all the AR-15 Gear Mongers out there.

Posted: 8/30/2011 4:46:48 PM EST

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The only current rifle to qualify as a an arfcom RECCE is the M4a1 SOPMOD BLOCK II with an elcan 1-4x. Even though the barrel is nit really accurized

Noveske seems to think my rifle is a RECCE...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/095.jpg

I agree that the term RECCE is more of a breed than a specific package. Just my opinion though.

I'm talking about .mil issued gear which has NSNs.

Does a Recce have an NSN? And do the Seals actually call it a Recce or do they just call it "my rifle"?

Posted: 8/30/2011 4:56:04 PM EST

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Somewhere out there tonight a Seal is laughing at all the commotion his rifle is causing. Actually... Probably not as they have real shit to worry with rather than who has the proper barrel profile or rail system for their rifle.

They've probably been laughing for years.

I remember when Wes first tried getting details on the Recon rifle, he was chastised as trying to get the info for all the AR-15 Gear Mongers out there.

I gotta say, if it weren't for learning about all the new stuff out there that is coming out I probably wouldn't be here either.

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:06:11 PM EST

[#6]

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The only current rifle to qualify as a an arfcom RECCE is the M4a1 SOPMOD BLOCK II with an elcan 1-4x. Even though the barrel is nit really accurized

Noveske seems to think my rifle is a RECCE...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/095.jpg

I agree that the term RECCE is more of a breed than a specific package. Just my opinion though.

I'm talking about .mil issued gear which has NSNs.

Does a Recce have an NSN? And do the Seals actually call it a Recce or do they just call it "my rifle"?

Each individual part has an NSN unless it's a personally owned item allowed to be used. The rifles themselves don't have NSNs just like the mk12 and mk18 don't

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:09:19 PM EST

[#7]

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The only current rifle to qualify as a an arfcom RECCE is the M4a1 SOPMOD BLOCK II with an elcan 1-4x. Even though the barrel is nit really accurized

Noveske seems to think my rifle is a RECCE...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/095.jpg

I agree that the term RECCE is more of a breed than a specific package. Just my opinion though.

I'm talking about .mil issued gear which has NSNs.

Does a Recce have an NSN? And do the Seals actually call it a Recce or do they just call it "my rifle"?

Each individual part has an NSN unless it's a personally owned item allowed to be used. The rifles themselves don't have NSNs just like the mk12 and mk18 don't

I know how the system works. Not all parts have NSN numbers either, if it is COT's items or other fast tracked items then they don't have an NSN always. Just saying... and making a point...

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:12:50 PM EST

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The only current rifle to qualify as a an arfcom RECCE is the M4a1 SOPMOD BLOCK II with an elcan 1-4x. Even though the barrel is nit really accurized

Noveske seems to think my rifle is a RECCE...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/095.jpg

I agree that the term RECCE is more of a breed than a specific package. Just my opinion though.

I'm talking about .mil issued gear which has NSNs.

Does a Recce have an NSN? And do the Seals actually call it a Recce or do they just call it "my rifle"?

Each individual part has an NSN unless it's a personally owned item allowed to be used. The rifles themselves don't have NSNs just like the mk12 and mk18 don't

Can anyone confirm these on Fedlog?

NSN 1005-01-504-3276: US Navy MK12 MOD 1 5.56mm special purpose rifle-modified scoped and silenced M16 rifle

NSN 1005-01-527-2288: US Navy MK 18 MOD 0 carbine with 10in barrel

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:20:07 PM EST

[#9]

I vote for a name change. We should rename this rifle the KISS rifle as it is the modern equivalent of a simple and utilitarian rifle. All other "non-optic fitted" KISS rifles should be called "base rifles". This will give us proper identification of these rifles while we figure out this whole mess these Seals have made for us. Once we get the NSN#, parts list, and TM # then we can start building proper Recce rifles and naming them such...

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:23:43 PM EST

[#10]

My Recce... uhhhhh, KISS rifle

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:25:22 PM EST

[#11]

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The only current rifle to qualify as a an arfcom RECCE is the M4a1 SOPMOD BLOCK II with an elcan 1-4x. Even though the barrel is nit really accurized

Noveske seems to think my rifle is a RECCE...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/095.jpg

I agree that the term RECCE is more of a breed than a specific package. Just my opinion though.

I'm talking about .mil issued gear which has NSNs.

Does a Recce have an NSN? And do the Seals actually call it a Recce or do they just call it "my rifle"?

Each individual part has an NSN unless it's a personally owned item allowed to be used. The rifles themselves don't have NSNs just like the mk12 and mk18 don't

Can anyone confirm these on Fedlog?

NSN 1005-01-504-3276: US Navy MK12 MOD 1 5.56mm special purpose rifle-modified scoped and silenced M16 rifle

NSN 1005-01-527-2288: US Navy MK 18 MOD 0 carbine with 10in barrel

So entire rifles have NSN numbers? Awesome, didn't know that...or is it just the upper assembly?

Either way, the point I was trying to make was very few commercial RECCE rifles made by people online share much as far as a "clone" goes.

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:28:31 PM EST

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The only current rifle to qualify as a an arfcom RECCE is the M4a1 SOPMOD BLOCK II with an elcan 1-4x. Even though the barrel is nit really accurized

Noveske seems to think my rifle is a RECCE...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/095.jpg

I agree that the term RECCE is more of a breed than a specific package. Just my opinion though.

I'm talking about .mil issued gear which has NSNs.

Does a Recce have an NSN? And do the Seals actually call it a Recce or do they just call it "my rifle"?

Each individual part has an NSN unless it's a personally owned item allowed to be used. The rifles themselves don't have NSNs just like the mk12 and mk18 don't

Can anyone confirm these on Fedlog?

NSN 1005-01-504-3276: US Navy MK12 MOD 1 5.56mm special purpose rifle-modified scoped and silenced M16 rifle

NSN 1005-01-527-2288: US Navy MK 18 MOD 0 carbine with 10in barrel

So entire rifles have NSN numbers? Awesome, didn't know that...or is it just the upper assembly?

Either way, the point I was trying to make was very few commercial RECCE rifles made by people online share much as far as a "clone" goes.

I still want to see a real one. I don't want to hear that it has this or that, I want to see a real one in person. I don't care about NSN #'s as much...

And then it still doesn't really matter, as loadout changes faster than Block this or Block that, or paper trails say... I just think it would be cool to see a real one.

Posted: 8/30/2011 6:44:24 PM EST

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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:51:34 PM EST

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http://www.thereformedbroker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/unicorn-237x300.jpg

No doubt... They were probably all aboard the stealth helicopter that was scuttled in the Bin Laden raid...

Posted: 8/30/2011 7:25:40 PM EST

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You guys crack me up.

First off, I'm not sure what all this "Seals who this", "NSW uses that" is coming from. Go to any Ranger Batt and you will see 3-4 varients of this "RECCE" rifle you speak of. Each batt has a "RECCE" platoon. So are all of their rifles RECCE's?

I can assure you that other than SCAR's, Mk18's, all three NSW SWS's, and maybe a select few that I missed, these are the battle rifles in the NSW arms room. I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I just think the argument is ridiculous. You mil spec clone guys get your panties in a twist over having the correct NSN on your rifle when most of the time we build them ourselves to suit. I want a 10'' barrel, FF rail, Elcan or Leupy, it doesn't matter.

A little while ago I posted a picture of my issued Mk12 Mod 1 and I got a response saying "they let you guys put Elcans on a Mk12 instead of the Leupold?" I don't know what imaginary higher authority you guys think there is dictating what can and can't go on a rifle. Especially for the "special" units. It's like you think there's a manual out there stating a rifle must be configured a certain way. These RECCE rifles you guys speak of, half the time are just cobbled together parts cannibalized from this and that. Each of our rifles our geared toward the shooter specifically. Here's a picture that will make you cringe......what's the NSN or nomenclature for this?

You want a mil clone? Build a rifle using high quality parts and someone high speed has probably used it. The SOTIC instructors that took first place at last years International Sniper Competion that I competed against were using OBR's, what's the NSN on those?

Posted: 8/30/2011 7:27:31 PM EST

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

Posted: 8/30/2011 7:34:16 PM EST

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

Posted: 8/30/2011 7:38:03 PM EST

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

Welcome to ARFCOM.

Posted: 8/30/2011 7:40:18 PM EST

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

Lol, I once had a militaria collector try to tell me I was mistaken about what equipment I wore in Iraq. I tried to explain that things don't work that way but you can't escape the button counters.

ETA: I do hope that my past comments have been taken with the tongue n cheek purpose in which I have presented them. I do not go hunting NSN numbers, nor do I care about clone weapons, I just like cool guns.

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:35:19 AM EST

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I find it interesting that you see pics of NSW Mk12's, Mk18's & 416's out there but in all these years have yet to see a Recce.

The book "NOT A GOOD DAY TO DIE" has a picture of TSgt. John Chapman with his "RECCE".

Posted: 8/31/2011 4:41:38 AM EST

[#21]

rogue4 .......... Thank you!

Posted: 8/31/2011 5:44:44 AM EST

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I find it interesting that you see pics of NSW Mk12's, Mk18's & 416's out there but in all these years have yet to see a Recce.

The book "NOT A GOOD DAY TO DIE" has a picture of TSgt. John Chapman with his "RECCE".

*runs to the bookshelf*

Hot damn, you are right. He has a Blackwater cap on too.

Posted: 8/31/2011 5:46:44 AM EST

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I find it interesting that you see pics of NSW Mk12's, Mk18's & 416's out there but in all these years have yet to see a Recce.

The book "NOT A GOOD DAY TO DIE" has a picture of TSgt. John Chapman with his "RECCE".

*runs to the bookshelf*

Hot damn, you are right. He has a Blackwater cap on too.

I guess I gotta go to the book store now.

Posted: 8/31/2011 5:59:53 AM EST

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

That comment could not have come at a better time. Thanks Rogue 4 for the shot of reality.

Posted: 8/31/2011 10:29:32 AM EST

[#25]

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

That comment could not have come at a better time. Thanks Rogue 4 for the shot of reality.

No problem. I never understood the obsession with mil spec clones. Having something just so I can tell people "this is what (insert high speed name) uses" doesn't do it for me. Most of the time you guys can build better shit than we have for the money it took you to get everything "correct" anyway.

To each his own. I'll never call someone stupid for building a mil spec gun. It's a gun, so that makes it cool in my book. Just trying to clear up some of the rumors around here. I'm finding out that could be a full time job that I'm not up for.

Posted: 8/31/2011 11:26:03 AM EST

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I find it interesting that you see pics of NSW Mk12's, Mk18's & 416's out there but in all these years have yet to see a Recce.

The book "NOT A GOOD DAY TO DIE" has a picture of TSgt. John Chapman with his "RECCE".

*runs to the bookshelf*

Hot damn, you are right. He has a Blackwater cap on too.

I guess I gotta go to the book store now.

Maybe someone can scan it and throw it in here.

Posted: 8/31/2011 11:49:10 AM EST

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You guys crack me up.

First off, I'm not sure what all this "Seals who this", "NSW uses that" is coming from. Go to any Ranger Batt and you will see 3-4 varients of this "RECCE" rifle you speak of. Each batt has a "RECCE" platoon. So are all of their rifles RECCE's?

I can assure you that other than SCAR's, Mk18's, all three NSW SWS's, and maybe a select few that I missed, these are the battle rifles in the NSW arms room. I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I just think the argument is ridiculous. You mil spec clone guys get your panties in a twist over having the correct NSN on your rifle when most of the time we build them ourselves to suit. I want a 10'' barrel, FF rail, Elcan or Leupy, it doesn't matter.

A little while ago I posted a picture of my issued Mk12 Mod 1 and I got a response saying "they let you guys put Elcans on a Mk12 instead of the Leupold?" I don't know what imaginary higher authority you guys think there is dictating what can and can't go on a rifle. Especially for the "special" units. It's like you think there's a manual out there stating a rifle must be configured a certain way. These RECCE rifles you guys speak of, half the time are just cobbled together parts cannibalized from this and that. Each of our rifles our geared toward the shooter specifically. Here's a picture that will make you cringe......what's the NSN or nomenclature for this?

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/SANY0068.jpg

You want a mil clone? Build a rifle using high quality parts and someone high speed has probably used it. The SOTIC instructors that took first place at last years International Sniper Competion that I competed against were using OBR's, what's the NSN on those?

Well spoken.

Posted: 8/31/2011 11:49:46 AM EST

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You guys crack me up.

First off, I'm not sure what all this "Seals who this", "NSW uses that" is coming from. Go to any Ranger Batt and you will see 3-4 varients of this "RECCE" rifle you speak of. Each batt has a "RECCE" platoon. So are all of their rifles RECCE's?

I can assure you that other than SCAR's, Mk18's, all three NSW SWS's, and maybe a select few that I missed, these are the battle rifles in the NSW arms room. I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I just think the argument is ridiculous. You mil spec clone guys get your panties in a twist over having the correct NSN on your rifle when most of the time we build them ourselves to suit. I want a 10'' barrel, FF rail, Elcan or Leupy, it doesn't matter.

A little while ago I posted a picture of my issued Mk12 Mod 1 and I got a response saying "they let you guys put Elcans on a Mk12 instead of the Leupold?" I don't know what imaginary higher authority you guys think there is dictating what can and can't go on a rifle. Especially for the "special" units. It's like you think there's a manual out there stating a rifle must be configured a certain way. These RECCE rifles you guys speak of, half the time are just cobbled together parts cannibalized from this and that. Each of our rifles our geared toward the shooter specifically. Here's a picture that will make you cringe......what's the NSN or nomenclature for this?

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/SANY0068.jpg

You want a mil clone? Build a rifle using high quality parts and someone high speed has probably used it. The SOTIC instructors that took first place at last years International Sniper Competion that I competed against were using OBR's, what's the NSN on those?

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BEST POST ON ARFCOM!!

Posted: 8/31/2011 12:00:41 PM EST

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That's funny, that's the second time that .gif has been posted in reference to one of my posts in the past week.

Posted: 8/31/2011 12:15:24 PM EST

[#30]

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

That comment could not have come at a better time. Thanks Rogue 4 for the shot of reality.

No problem. I never understood the obsession with mil spec clones. Having something just so I can tell people "this is what (insert high speed name) uses" doesn't do it for me. Most of the time you guys can build better shit than we have for the money it took you to get everything "correct" anyway.

To each his own. I'll never call someone stupid for building a mil spec gun. It's a gun, so that makes it cool in my book. Just trying to clear up some of the rumors around here. I'm finding out that could be a full time job that I'm not up for.

If I could venture a guess, there are probably two main reasons for clones: 1) the reason you stated: people like to show off to all their friends their new "Delta-Seal-operator-Ranger" carbine, and 2) some people genuinely want to get behind the sights of a weapon they feel was ruled capable enough for some of our country''s finest.

The first kind of people, OK, whatever, if you have enough money to throw at that, knock yourself out. I don't understand that any more than I understand people with "safe queens". I do, however, empathize more with the second type. It's the same reason people run flight simulators and play paintball––they want to experience something beyond just the parts they're working with, even if it's just a small picture of what they're trying to emulate.

Posted: 8/31/2011 12:39:12 PM EST

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

That comment could not have come at a better time. Thanks Rogue 4 for the shot of reality.

No problem. I never understood the obsession with mil spec clones. Having something just so I can tell people "this is what (insert high speed name) uses" doesn't do it for me. Most of the time you guys can build better shit than we have for the money it took you to get everything "correct" anyway.

To each his own. I'll never call someone stupid for building a mil spec gun. It's a gun, so that makes it cool in my book. Just trying to clear up some of the rumors around here. I'm finding out that could be a full time job that I'm not up for.

If I could venture a guess, there are probably two main reasons for clones: 1) the reason you stated: people like to show off to all their friends their new "Delta-Seal-operator-Ranger" carbine, and 2) some people genuinely want to get behind the sights of a weapon they feel was ruled capable enough for some of our country''s finest.

The first kind of people, OK, whatever, if you have enough money to throw at that, knock yourself out. I don't understand that any more than I understand people with "safe queens". I do, however, empathize more with the second type. It's the same reason people run flight simulators and play paintball––they want to experience something beyond just the parts they're working with, even if it's just a small picture of what they're trying to emulate.

I think there's a third group that feels having a "spec" weapon will make it infallible, while those that aren't "in spec" are waiting to break into a thousand pieces.

Posted: 8/31/2011 1:48:56 PM EST

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I guess they are better than those tier 12 rifles that people own that they would never trust their life to but would let their kids pink at the range with them

If your current setup cant be put to the test when your life depends on it why do you own it?

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:01:05 PM EST

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I guess they are better than those tier 12 rifles that people own that they would never trust their life to but would let their kids pink at the range with them

If your current setup cant be put to the test when your life depends on it why do you own it?

Easy answer. Most people do not truly know what it means to be able to put their lives in the functionability of a combat weapon and even fewer know the hopeless felling of that mechanical employment of war break down in their hands at the moment of truth. Mortality is seldom considered something to be lost until it almost is.

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:11:51 PM EST

[#34]

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Almost everything I've seen printed says they retained the FSB. All the "RECCE" clone pictures I see have a low pro gas block. Any idea which is correct?

*sigh* My point falls on dead ears.

That comment could not have come at a better time. Thanks Rogue 4 for the shot of reality.

No problem. I never understood the obsession with mil spec clones. Having something just so I can tell people "this is what (insert high speed name) uses" doesn't do it for me. Most of the time you guys can build better shit than we have for the money it took you to get everything "correct" anyway.

To each his own. I'll never call someone stupid for building a mil spec gun. It's a gun, so that makes it cool in my book. Just trying to clear up some of the rumors around here. I'm finding out that could be a full time job that I'm not up for.

That is quote worthy.

Thank you for your service and your candid dose or reality for a few people.

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:17:25 PM EST

[#35]

Like I said it's not a problem. I wonder if starting a thread about the subject would help?

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:26:50 PM EST

[#36]

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Like I said it's not a problem. I wonder if starting a thread about the subject would help?

I would love to see it. You will, unfortunately, have to deal with the occasional riders of the short bus from General Discussion that will get off at the wrong stop.

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:39:03 PM EST

[#37]

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Like I said it's not a problem. I wonder if starting a thread about the subject would help?

Good luck. I gave up attempting to inject real world data into fantasy land years ago.

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:50:34 PM EST

[#38]

DM1975: Love the pic u posted by the way. Was your PCS to KS permanent? You have been there forever!!

Posted: 8/31/2011 2:53:26 PM EST

[#39]

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DM1975: Love the pic u posted by the way. Was your PCS to KS permanent? You have been there forever!!

I was medically retired 100% disabled a few years back and stayed in Kansas. I got a big ole hole in my noggin now

Posted: 8/31/2011 5:06:55 PM EST

[#40]

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Like I said it's not a problem. I wonder if starting a thread about the subject would help?

I would love to see it. You will, unfortunately, have to deal with the occasional riders of the short bus from General Discussion that will get off at the wrong stop.

I think it would make a nice sticky so we have fewer threads with people posting "SEALs only use this and Force Recon only uses that." Correct information from a credible source is always nice to have.

Posted: 8/31/2011 5:13:16 PM EST

[#41]

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You guys crack me up.

First off, I'm not sure what all this "Seals who this", "NSW uses that" is coming from. Go to any Ranger Batt and you will see 3-4 varients of this "RECCE" rifle you speak of. Each batt has a "RECCE" platoon. So are all of their rifles RECCE's?

I can assure you that other than SCAR's, Mk18's, all three NSW SWS's, and maybe a select few that I missed, these are the battle rifles in the NSW arms room. I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I just think the argument is ridiculous. You mil spec clone guys get your panties in a twist over having the correct NSN on your rifle when most of the time we build them ourselves to suit. I want a 10'' barrel, FF rail, Elcan or Leupy, it doesn't matter.

A little while ago I posted a picture of my issued Mk12 Mod 1 and I got a response saying "they let you guys put Elcans on a Mk12 instead of the Leupold?" I don't know what imaginary higher authority you guys think there is dictating what can and can't go on a rifle. Especially for the "special" units. It's like you think there's a manual out there stating a rifle must be configured a certain way. These RECCE rifles you guys speak of, half the time are just cobbled together parts cannibalized from this and that. Each of our rifles our geared toward the shooter specifically. Here's a picture that will make you cringe......what's the NSN or nomenclature for this?

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/ghilliedup/SANY0068.jpg

You want a mil clone? Build a rifle using high quality parts and someone high speed has probably used it. The SOTIC instructors that took first place at last years International Sniper Competion that I competed against were using OBR's, what's the NSN on those?

+1 on this. I don't think I've seen two "Recces" that were identical. I think some folks would be shocked to know that the NSN police don't crawl around the armory taking parts off of weapons. I've seen Recces with Crane stocks and Gen II stocks. I've seen Leupolds and ACOGs on them, with Ergo grips, A2 grips and TD Battle Grips. Harris bipods, Grip pods, no pods, etc. COTS and NSN items mixed on the same gun in a hodge podge that would make the clone nazis here have a stroke. I'm looking at my M4 right now and I've got two COTS items on it that came from my armory, I guess that disqualifies it from being a Block II clone. I'll see you guys in a few days, I'm going to go take the gun for a walk.