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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:32:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: It’s a project Hornady worked on with us, it’s made by them for us. Jamin, can I ask what other projectiles Hornady is making for you guys in other calibers? I hunt almost exclusively with Hornady ammo but I’d love an excuse to stack more AAC, especially 6.5 and .308 |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:45:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: Jamin, can I ask what other projectiles Hornady is making for you guys in other calibers? I hunt almost exclusively with Hornady ammo but I’d love an excuse to stack more AAC, especially 6.5 and .308 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: It’s a project Hornady worked on with us, it’s made by them for us. Jamin, can I ask what other projectiles Hornady is making for you guys in other calibers? I hunt almost exclusively with Hornady ammo but I’d love an excuse to stack more AAC, especially 6.5 and .308 It will say in the description of the ammunition. We are only purchasing rifle projectiles from Sierra and Hornady. If you see a sku that doesn’t call this out, let me know and I’ll update it. We do make our pistol FMJ rounds in house. This includes 380, 9mm, 10/40 and 45 ACP. |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:50:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: It will say in the description of the ammunition. We are only purchasing rifle projectiles from Sierra and Hornady. If you see a sku that doesn’t call this out, let me know and I’ll update it. We do make our pistol FMJ rounds in house. This includes 380, 9mm, 10/40 and 45 ACP. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: Originally Posted By SlimBlundt: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: It’s a project Hornady worked on with us, it’s made by them for us. Jamin, can I ask what other projectiles Hornady is making for you guys in other calibers? I hunt almost exclusively with Hornady ammo but I’d love an excuse to stack more AAC, especially 6.5 and .308 It will say in the description of the ammunition. We are only purchasing rifle projectiles from Sierra and Hornady. If you see a sku that doesn’t call this out, let me know and I’ll update it. We do make our pistol FMJ rounds in house. This includes 380, 9mm, 10/40 and 45 ACP. Whelp, that settles it. Switching to AAC. My wallet is visibly weeping. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:55:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: It’s a project Hornady worked on with us, it’s made by them for us. Is it somehow different from what Black Hills is now using? It also seems like the 75gr BTHP should be in the same Black "Precision" packaging like the 77OTM It's odd it's in the same packaging as the 55fmj |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:01:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: It will say in the description of the ammunition. We are only purchasing rifle projectiles from Sierra and Hornady. If you see a sku that doesn’t call this out, let me know and I’ll update it. We do make our pistol FMJ rounds in house. This includes 380, 9mm, 10/40 and 45 ACP. The 75gr Sabre Blade doesn't say Hornady. And what about the 70gr SBX solid copper. Is that a Barnes projectile, or Hornady? You have Barnes and Nosler obviously as well as Sierra/Hornady. I'm really not trying to be a jagoff, but it's confusing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:19:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: The project has been a massive success. At this point we believe we are the largest maker of 5.56 in the US outside of the Lake City factory. Thanks everyone for your support, Jamin The OTM at 55cpr is just awesome, it is all I buy for 5.56 now unless I need solid copper due land restrictions or some nonsense. Do you have any plans to load the OTM in the NAS3 with higher velocity’s like others are doing? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:36:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jman_JJE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saddlerocker: The 75gr Sabre Blade doesn't say Hornady. And what about the 70gr SBX solid copper. Is that a Barnes projectile, or Hornady? You have Barnes and Nosler obviously as well as Sierra/Hornady. I'm really not trying to be a jagoff, but it's confusing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saddlerocker: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: It will say in the description of the ammunition. We are only purchasing rifle projectiles from Sierra and Hornady. If you see a sku that doesn’t call this out, let me know and I’ll update it. We do make our pistol FMJ rounds in house. This includes 380, 9mm, 10/40 and 45 ACP. The 75gr Sabre Blade doesn't say Hornady. And what about the 70gr SBX solid copper. Is that a Barnes projectile, or Hornady? You have Barnes and Nosler obviously as well as Sierra/Hornady. I'm really not trying to be a jagoff, but it's confusing. I’ll get descriptions updated Monday All Sabre blade- hornady TSX- Sierra/Barnes SBX- Hornady ETA- we have done nothing to date with Nosler |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:38:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saddlerocker: Is it somehow different from what Black Hills is now using? It also seems like the 75gr BTHP should be in the same Black "Precision" packaging like the 77OTM It's odd it's in the same packaging as the 55fmj Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saddlerocker: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: It’s a project Hornady worked on with us, it’s made by them for us. Is it somehow different from what Black Hills is now using? It also seems like the 75gr BTHP should be in the same Black "Precision" packaging like the 77OTM It's odd it's in the same packaging as the 55fmj We have zero inside knowledge of anything Black Hills does, I don’t know anyone inside of their organization. I can only speak to AAC products. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:38:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorCalRT: The OTM at 55cpr is just awesome, it is all I buy for 5.56 now unless I need solid copper due land restrictions or some nonsense. Do you have any plans to load the OTM in the NAS3 with higher velocity’s like others are doing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: The project has been a massive success. At this point we believe we are the largest maker of 5.56 in the US outside of the Lake City factory. Thanks everyone for your support, Jamin The OTM at 55cpr is just awesome, it is all I buy for 5.56 now unless I need solid copper due land restrictions or some nonsense. Do you have any plans to load the OTM in the NAS3 with higher velocity’s like others are doing? This is a project we are working on. |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:46:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: This is a project we are working on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: The project has been a massive success. At this point we believe we are the largest maker of 5.56 in the US outside of the Lake City factory. Thanks everyone for your support, Jamin The OTM at 55cpr is just awesome, it is all I buy for 5.56 now unless I need solid copper due land restrictions or some nonsense. Do you have any plans to load the OTM in the NAS3 with higher velocity’s like others are doing? This is a project we are working on. Awesome. Looking forward to it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:47:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: I'll get descriptions updated Monday All Sabre blade- hornady TSX- Sierra/Barnes SBX- Hornady ETA- we have done nothing to date with Nosler Since rifle projectiles are now outsourced, does that mean that the Mk318 Mod 0 clone isn't likely to happen? |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:47:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Duck_Hunt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saddlerocker: The 75gr Sabre Blade doesn't say Hornady. And what about the 70gr SBX solid copper. Is that a Barnes projectile, or Hornady? You have Barnes and Nosler obviously as well as Sierra/Hornady. I'm really not trying to be a jagoff, but it's confusing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saddlerocker: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: It will say in the description of the ammunition. We are only purchasing rifle projectiles from Sierra and Hornady. If you see a sku that doesn’t call this out, let me know and I’ll update it. We do make our pistol FMJ rounds in house. This includes 380, 9mm, 10/40 and 45 ACP. The 75gr Sabre Blade doesn't say Hornady. And what about the 70gr SBX solid copper. Is that a Barnes projectile, or Hornady? You have Barnes and Nosler obviously as well as Sierra/Hornady. I'm really not trying to be a jagoff, but it's confusing. It appears the make of the projectile is on the box if It’s a Sierra or Barnes projectile. Everything else is likely hornady. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:55:58 AM EDT
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Thanks for answering questions here.
(My bad on the Nosler. I thought I remembered seeing a 60gr Nosler Partition load, but I was incorrect) |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 11:01:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Since rifle projectiles are now outsourced, does that mean that the Mk318 Mod 0 clone isn't likely to happen? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: I'll get descriptions updated Monday All Sabre blade- hornady TSX- Sierra/Barnes SBX- Hornady ETA- we have done nothing to date with Nosler Since rifle projectiles are now outsourced, does that mean that the Mk318 Mod 0 clone isn't likely to happen? The MK318 project is still in the works |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 2:51:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: The MK318 project is still in the works This is great to hear - thank you! |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 4:17:00 PM EDT
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Received 400 rounds the other day and got to shoot today,
14.5” Daniel Defense 1/7 twist 40 round chrono AAC 77 grain OTM Batch #SCL2DF101 Highest - 2580 Lowest - 2501 Average - 2543 ES - 79 SD - 16 Grouping we’re pretty good for me, using a Vortex Razor Gen-II E 1-6, which I know isn’t ideal for this.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 4:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steve8140: Received 400 rounds the other day and got to shoot today, 14.5” Daniel Defense 1/7 twist 40 round chrono AAC 77 grain OTM Batch #SCL2DF101 Highest - 2580 Lowest - 2501 Average - 2543 ES - 79 SD - 16 Grouping we’re pretty good for me, using a Vortex Razor Gen-II E 1-6, which I know isn’t ideal for this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/223734/IMG_8632_jpeg-3254578.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/223734/IMG_8631_jpeg-3254579.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/223734/IMG_8630_jpeg-3254580.JPG I'm surprised your mv are under 2600. With my 14.5" barrels I usually get an average of 2626 fps. These are with all 3 guns.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 5:23:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: I'm surprised your mv are under 2600. With my 14.5" barrels I usually get an average of 2626 fps. These are with all 3 guns. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380981/1000008667_jpg-3254602.JPG @tarheel7734 No idea if it matters but the chrono I have is a competition electronics DLX and per instruction, the chrono is 10-15 feet in front of the muzzle. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 5:29:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steve8140: @tarheel7734 No idea if it matters but the chrono I have is a competition electronics DLX and per instruction, the chrono is 10-15 feet in front of the muzzle. I'm using the Garmin Xero c1 pro.. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 5:37:55 PM EDT
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A friend has one of those and will be testing this ammo this week. I’ll update with his info.
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Posted: 6/30/2024 6:22:41 PM EDT
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Going back and reading through this thread, it seems velocity is all over the place from 2500 FPS -2700+ FPS from a 14.5” barrel.
There are 4-5 posters claiming the same results I had today. I’d be curious to measure some rounds and to pull some bullets and measure the powder charge to compare against others with higher velocities. See how consistent they are batch to batch. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 6:54:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steve8140: Going back and reading through this thread, it seems velocity is all over the place from 2500 FPS -2700+ FPS from a 14.5" barrel. There are 4-5 posters claiming the same results I had today. I'd be curious to measure some rounds and to pull some bullets and measure the powder charge to compare against others with higher velocities. See how consistent they are batch to batch. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 7:16:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: wonder how much of that might be elevation and temperature differences? I wasn't paying attention to the claims and where the posters were located. I was only around 2200ft above selevel when those measurements were taken and temp was probably around 80f |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 7:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: I'm surprised your mv are under 2600. With my 14.5" barrels I usually get an average of 2626 fps. These are with all 3 guns. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380981/1000008667_jpg-3254602.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: Originally Posted By steve8140: Received 400 rounds the other day and got to shoot today, 14.5” Daniel Defense 1/7 twist 40 round chrono AAC 77 grain OTM Batch #SCL2DF101 Highest - 2580 Lowest - 2501 Average - 2543 ES - 79 SD - 16 Grouping we’re pretty good for me, using a Vortex Razor Gen-II E 1-6, which I know isn’t ideal for this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/223734/IMG_8632_jpeg-3254578.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/223734/IMG_8631_jpeg-3254579.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/223734/IMG_8630_jpeg-3254580.JPG I'm surprised your mv are under 2600. With my 14.5" barrels I usually get an average of 2626 fps. These are with all 3 guns. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380981/1000008667_jpg-3254602.JPG It's not exact but with my 77gr reloads with tac I get what folks get here in 20" guns(high 2700s) and average 2580 with my 14.5. 200fps for almost 6" does seem about right. 33fps/inch. Obviously it's not the aac load and there's a world of difference in different loads. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 8:38:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steve8140: Going back and reading through this thread, it seems velocity is all over the place from 2500 FPS -2700+ FPS from a 14.5" barrel. There are 4-5 posters claiming the same results I had today. I'd be curious to measure some rounds and to pull some bullets and measure the powder charge to compare against others with higher velocities. See how consistent they are batch to batch. |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 11:23:06 PM EDT
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@Jman_JJE
So is it safe to say the 77gr SMK 5.56 is good to go? I had ordered 100 rounds and it’ll be here Wednesday but man I really don’t want it to blow up my gun or mess up my suppressor. All I shoot is PMC 55gr XTAC so this is new territory for me. I know there were issues with dented cases around this time last year but I’ve also been seeing people on Reddit talk about jacket separation from your guys in house 55gr 5.56 and 9mm with use with a suppressor. Would love to get your input on all this |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 11:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: @Jman_JJE So is it safe to say the 77gr SMK 5.56 is good to go? I had ordered 100 rounds and it’ll be here Wednesday but man I really don’t want it to blow up my gun or mess up my suppressor. All I shoot is PMC 55gr XTAC so this is new territory for me. I know there were issues with dented cases around this time last year but I’ve also been seeing people on Reddit talk about jacket separation from your guys in house 55gr 5.56 and 9mm with use with a suppressor. Would love to get your input on all this Everyone in reddit is just parroting one or two people that said they had issues with the 55 separating. They didn't allign the bore and no proof jacket seperation actually existed.. 99% of people on reddit are full of shit and never actually used psa ammo much less had issues. That being said psa doesn't make in-house bullets for rifle rounds anylonger. They use hornady ammo. Someone recently claimed issues on the 77 grain, but I'm very skeptical about their posts. Claiming 50 rounds failed to extract and one blown primer. Supposedly with 3 uppers.. The pics show a rifle that is dirty as can be and bone dry. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2024 12:52:15 AM EDT
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I also saw that post and it def turned me off a bit. I have also heard some stuff about the SMK’s popping primers as well and them being loaded super hot. Not sure if @Jman_JJE can also give some insight to that as well. I would love to be able to stockpile this stuff but just hearing about all this stuff is making me not wanna ruin my guns. If I knew what velocity PPU 75gr BTHP .223 was coming out of my 18in DD S2W barrel for my SPR I would def stockpile that stuff. I can find it locally and the price is good and my gun likes it a lot, under an MOA at 100 yards. But for longer distances I’m just not sure it has enough ass behind it to get there, hence why I was looking at 5.56 loadings. I would love to be able to take that gun to 1000 yards just for fun but I know realistically it’s like a 700 yard gun but I’m not sure if the PPU .223 will even be able to make it at that distance either
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Posted: 7/2/2024 12:54:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: Everyone in reddit is just parroting one or two people that said they had issues with the 55 separating. They didn't allign the bore and no proof jacket seperation actually existed.. 99% of people on reddit are full of shit and never actually used psa ammo much less had issues. That being said psa doesn't make in-house bullets for rifle rounds anylonger. They use hornady ammo. Someone recently claimed issues on the 77 grain, but I'm very skeptical about their posts. Claiming 50 rounds failed to extract and one blown primer. Supposedly with 3 uppers.. The pics show a rifle that is dirty as can be and bone dry. I also saw that post and it def turned me off a bit. I have also heard some stuff about the SMK’s popping primers as well and them being loaded super hot. Not sure if @Jman_JJE can also give some insight to that as well. I would love to be able to stockpile this stuff but just hearing about all this stuff is making me not wanna ruin my guns. If I knew what velocity PPU 75gr BTHP .223 was coming out of my 18in DD S2W barrel for my SPR I would def stockpile that stuff. I can find it locally and the price is good and my gun likes it a lot, under an MOA at 100 yards. But for longer distances I’m just not sure it has enough ass behind it to get there, hence why I was looking at 5.56 loadings. I would love to be able to take that gun to 1000 yards just for fun but I know realistically it’s like a 700 yard gun but I’m not sure if the PPU .223 will even be able to make it at that distance either Sorry I’m posting this twice, I have no idea how y’all do the reply thing on here and just found out how lol |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:08:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: I also saw that post and it def turned me off a bit. I have also heard some stuff about the SMK’s popping primers as well and them being loaded super hot. Not sure if @Jman_JJE can also give some insight to that as well. I would love to be able to stockpile this stuff but just hearing about all this stuff is making me not wanna ruin my guns. If I knew what velocity PPU 75gr BTHP .223 was coming out of my 18in DD S2W barrel for my SPR I would def stockpile that stuff. I can find it locally and the price is good and my gun likes it a lot, under an MOA at 100 yards. But for longer distances I’m just not sure it has enough ass behind it to get there, hence why I was looking at 5.56 loadings. I would love to be able to take that gun to 1000 yards just for fun but I know realistically it’s like a 700 yard gun but I’m not sure if the PPU .223 will even be able to make it at that distance either Sorry I’m posting this twice, I have no idea how y’all do the reply thing on here and just found out how lol If you can't look through the threads on here, m4carbine and the crap load of other sites where people constantly using psa ammo, especially the 77, .and very few problems, then maybe it's best you follow the sheep.. There is enough data out there from people actually using the ammo. Heck all you really had to do is look at this thread and the others. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:39:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: If you can't look through the threads on here, m4carbine and the crap load of other sites where people constantly using psa ammo, especially the 77, .and very few problems, then maybe it's best you follow the sheep.. There is enough data out there from people actually using the ammo. Heck all you really had to do is look at this thread and the others. Do you use AAC? |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:43:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: Do you use AAC? Among others yes, but majority of what I use is the aac 77 grain, 70 tsx, aac 9mm, aac 10mm |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:50:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: Among others yes, but majority of what I use is the aac 77 grain, 70 tsx, aac 9mm, aac 10mm What are your thoughts on using the 77gr? And that’s the non SMK bullet correct? |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:54:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: What are your thoughts on using the 77gr? And that’s the non SMK bullet correct? I get better performance out of than I do imi razorcore 77. It's been very consistent and had 0 malfunction or issues in several thousand rounds. I currently use it in 3 different 14.5" rifles. Every time I go to the range I use 300-500 rounds of it. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2024 6:32:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jman_JJE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: @Jman_JJE So is it safe to say the 77gr SMK 5.56 is good to go? I had ordered 100 rounds and it’ll be here Wednesday but man I really don’t want it to blow up my gun or mess up my suppressor. All I shoot is PMC 55gr XTAC so this is new territory for me. I know there were issues with dented cases around this time last year but I’ve also been seeing people on Reddit talk about jacket separation from your guys in house 55gr 5.56 and 9mm with use with a suppressor. Would love to get your input on all this All of our rifle projectiles are made by Sierra or Hornady. In this case your SMK projectile is made by Sierra. Both companies are the premier bullet makers for the industry. They OEM for almost every ammo manufacturer. You are not going to have a problem with it. This is also the same ammo Garand Thumb used to shoot 5,000 rounds on full auto suppressed for his burn down video. The gentleman on Reddit with the upper that had a catastrophic failure made a warranty claim and stated he was using “mixed” ammo when it blew up. He sent in the rounds that where left in his magazine and they were indeed mixed. It was a PSA upper and he wanted it warrantied. He cut the upper with a hacksaw and there was no way to see the head stamp on the case because it was gone. There was no way to determine what happened or whose ammo was used. Two months later he went on Reddit and made a post that AAC ammo blew up his gun. No one knows what ammo was fired. AAC has become the most purchased/used 5.56 ammo besides Lake City. We have hundreds of thousands of happy customers. We have your back and you can always contact me directly if you feel the need. ETA- AACs factory is the most advanced ammo factory in the country. Our equipment is all new and high tech. Most items are checked digitally by computers. If you go to most of our competition the equipment is very aged and low tech. We have come on to the market very strong and we are drawing fire due to it. When we burst onto the ar15 scene the naysayers said we can’t make a quality product at that price, “you have to pay more”. I know our repair and return numbers. We are lower than most of the industry and this has led to us dominating the ar15 industry. Of course if you go on Reddit they will tell you our ar15s don’t work also. It’s the nature of Reddit. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 6:58:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: All of our rifle projectiles are made by Sierra or Hornady. In this case your SMK projectile is made by Sierra. Both companies are the premier bullet makers for the industry. They OEM for almost every ammo manufacturer. You are not going to have a problem with it. The gentleman on Reddit with the upper that had a catastrophic failure made a warranty claim and stated he was using “mixed” ammo when it blew up. He sent in the rounds that where left in his magazine and they were indeed mixed. It was a PSA upper and he wanted it warrantied. He cut the upper with a hacksaw and there was no way to see the head stamp on the case because it was gone. There was no way to determine what happened or whose ammo was used. Two months later he went on Reddit and made a post that AAC ammo blew up his gun. No one knows what ammo was fired. AAC has become the most purchased/used 5.56 ammo besides Lake City. We have hundreds of thousands of happy customers. We have your back and you can always contact me directly if you feel the need. Thank you for the other side of that story. FWIW... I have fired a crap load of AAC 77gr OTM, through numerous chambers and brand barrels, and have had great results. It has become my goto for cost effective 77gr practice. I have never had a split case out of all those rounds. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2024 8:59:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: ETA- AACs factory is the most advanced ammo factory in the country. Our equipment is all new and high tech. Most items are checked digitally by computers. If you go to most of our competition the equipment is very aged and low tech. We have come on to the market very strong and we are drawing fire due to it. When we burst onto the ar15 scene the naysayers said we can't make a quality product at that price, "you have to pay more". I know our repair and return numbers. We are lower than most of the industry and this has led to us dominating the ar15 industry. Of course if you go on Reddit they will tell you our ar15s don't work also. It's the nature of Reddit. along this same train of thought, do you know why European ammo makers are able to make rounds that so much more accurate/precise than US companies? RUAG, NAMMO, MEN, GECO, etc all make even basic bitch FMJ ball rounds (even SS109 type) with MOA or near MOA precision. Is it projectile design, super tight production specs, QC or something else? And why haven't high volume domestic ammo companies ever been able to match this? Will your equipment and QC allow AAC to achieve similar results? |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 9:05:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06: Thank you for the other side of that story. FWIW... I have fired a crap load of AAC 77gr OTM, through numerous chambers and brand barrels, and have had great results. It has become my goto for cost effective 77gr practice. I have never had a split case out of all those rounds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: All of our rifle projectiles are made by Sierra or Hornady. In this case your SMK projectile is made by Sierra. Both companies are the premier bullet makers for the industry. They OEM for almost every ammo manufacturer. You are not going to have a problem with it. The gentleman on Reddit with the upper that had a catastrophic failure made a warranty claim and stated he was using “mixed” ammo when it blew up. He sent in the rounds that where left in his magazine and they were indeed mixed. It was a PSA upper and he wanted it warrantied. He cut the upper with a hacksaw and there was no way to see the head stamp on the case because it was gone. There was no way to determine what happened or whose ammo was used. Two months later he went on Reddit and made a post that AAC ammo blew up his gun. No one knows what ammo was fired. AAC has become the most purchased/used 5.56 ammo besides Lake City. We have hundreds of thousands of happy customers. We have your back and you can always contact me directly if you feel the need. Thank you for the other side of that story. FWIW... I have fired a crap load of AAC 77gr OTM, through numerous chambers and brand barrels, and have had great results. It has become my goto for cost effective 77gr practice. I have never had a split case out of all those rounds. Same. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 9:07:55 AM EDT
[#39]
Just ordered another 200 rounds. Probably should have ordered more...
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Posted: 7/2/2024 9:10:50 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: @Jman_JJE along this same train of thought, do you know why European ammo makers are able to make rounds that so much more accurate/precise than US companies? RUAG, NAMMO, MEN, GECO, etc all make even basic bitch FMJ ball rounds (even SS109 type) with MOA or near MOA precision. Is it projectile design, super tight production specs, QC or something else? And why haven't high volume domestic ammo companies ever been able to match this? Will your equipment and QC allow AAC to achieve similar results? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By Jman_JJE: ETA- AACs factory is the most advanced ammo factory in the country. Our equipment is all new and high tech. Most items are checked digitally by computers. If you go to most of our competition the equipment is very aged and low tech. We have come on to the market very strong and we are drawing fire due to it. When we burst onto the ar15 scene the naysayers said we can't make a quality product at that price, "you have to pay more". I know our repair and return numbers. We are lower than most of the industry and this has led to us dominating the ar15 industry. Of course if you go on Reddit they will tell you our ar15s don't work also. It's the nature of Reddit. along this same train of thought, do you know why European ammo makers are able to make rounds that so much more accurate/precise than US companies? RUAG, NAMMO, MEN, GECO, etc all make even basic bitch FMJ ball rounds (even SS109 type) with MOA or near MOA precision. Is it projectile design, super tight production specs, QC or something else? And why haven't high volume domestic ammo companies ever been able to match this? Will your equipment and QC allow AAC to achieve similar results? I’m not aware of any ss109/m855 that’s anywhere near moa. Do you mean 2 moa? I’m just spitballing here, but I’d argue that most domestically produced m855 that has been offered on the civilian market in the US is factory seconds (I’m mainly speaking about win, Fed LkC) |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 9:17:19 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: I'm not aware of any ss109/m855 that's anywhere near moa. Do you mean 2 moa? I'm just spitballing here, but I'd argue that most domestically produced m855 that has been offered on the civilian market in the US is factory seconds (I'm mainly speaking about win, Fed LkC) Nope, 1 MOA   
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Posted: 7/2/2024 10:27:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Duck_Hunt]
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: I'm not aware of any ss109/m855 that's anywhere near moa. Do you mean 2 moa? I'm just spitballing here, but I'd argue that most domestically produced m855 that has been offered on the civilian market in the US is factory seconds (I'm mainly speaking about win, Fed LkC) Nope, 1 MOA https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-stx5s5fhga/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/17690/37147/ISS8362-001__81914.1683670951.jpg?c=1 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53586761703_d6a6243808_o.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51021791906_02c1c75328_o.jpg I’d say 1moa is not the norm for m855/ss109 even for Ruag. It may be a solid 1.5moa round in most rifles. I’d say the projectiles are different than those of US manufacture. They are also likely not seconds and they may have better equipment vs the aging equipment of lkc and most domestic manufacturers. What was the cost of the Ruag vs fed or win at the time? Either way, I do agree with foreign ammo generally being of better quality and having better accuracy as a rule when it comes to mil/nato loads. I’ve noticed this with 9mm as well. PSA/aac had some growing pains early on, but I’d say they make the best domestically produced ammunition at this time. I’ve been very pleased with the 77gr otms. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 11:36:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bravo_Six]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: I also saw that post and it def turned me off a bit. I have also heard some stuff about the SMK’s popping primers as well and them being loaded super hot. Not sure if @Jman_JJE can also give some insight to that as well. I would love to be able to stockpile this stuff but just hearing about all this stuff is making me not wanna ruin my guns. If I knew what velocity PPU 75gr BTHP .223 was coming out of my 18in DD S2W barrel for my SPR I would def stockpile that stuff. I can find it locally and the price is good and my gun likes it a lot, under an MOA at 100 yards. But for longer distances I’m just not sure it has enough ass behind it to get there, hence why I was looking at 5.56 loadings. I would love to be able to take that gun to 1000 yards just for fun but I know realistically it’s like a 700 yard gun but I’m not sure if the PPU .223 will even be able to make it at that distance either PPU 75s get to 2620 fps out of my 18 inch barrel and require 14.7 mils of elevation to reach 1000 yards from a 200 yard zero. (ETA: that velocity is with a TBAC 30BA mounted; it might have added a few fps) With that said, AAC 75s and 77s are much more accurate and are a bit hotter. I would not buy PPU ammo as long as AAC is available. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 11:38:21 AM EDT
[#44]
@Jman_JJE
Thank you for that response! I did see a post on Reddit where the owner of Otter Creek Labs said that if it’s the SMK bullet then it’ll be fine with a suppressor so that also sold me on it. Plus I have a Surefire RC2 so the mounting system is one of the most consistent on the market so I have no doubt it’ll be fine. I hope you can understand my concerns though since it’s not a cheap suppressor lol. The Reddit post the other guy and I were talking about didn’t blow up his gun however, not sure if you saw it. He just had a butt load of FTF and a blown primer. I’ll link it just in case you haven’t seen it. I wonder if that guy sent in a warranty claim. He was using the 77gr OTM https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/s/dd6JhxA0nT |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 12:42:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jman_JJE]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: @Jman_JJE Thank you for that response! I did see a post on Reddit where the owner of Otter Creek Labs said that if it’s the SMK bullet then it’ll be fine with a suppressor so that also sold me on it. Plus I have a Surefire RC2 so the mounting system is one of the most consistent on the market so I have no doubt it’ll be fine. I hope you can understand my concerns though since it’s not a cheap suppressor lol. The Reddit post the other guy and I were talking about didn’t blow up his gun however, not sure if you saw it. He just had a butt load of FTF and a blown primer. I’ll link it just in case you haven’t seen it. I wonder if that guy sent in a warranty claim. He was using the 77gr OTM https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/s/dd6JhxA0nT I have no information other than looking at the post quickly. My cursory take is that 77gr OTM out of a short barrel results in higher pressures and violent cycling. I believe this is why he is saying that the gun works with 55gr PMC/Winchester. The recoil pulse is different with 55gr. This can vary by weapon and depend on gas port size. To combat this Giesselle recommends that you use and H2 or H3 buffer in a 10.5 inch barrel. I’m guessing the combination of heavy buffer with the 10.5 barrel and 77gr projectile would make it cycle correctly. There is people commenting about this in the post, but since it is Reddit it is being ignored. Without getting his upper in and changing out his buffer I can’t prove it out but we would be willing to do so. We are working on a video showing proper buffer setups with short barrels and heavy projectiles. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:00:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duck_Hunt]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: I have no information other than looking at the post quickly. My cursory take is that 77gr OTM out of a short barrel results in higher pressures and violent cycling. I believe this is why he is saying that the gun works with 55gr PMC/Winchester. The recoil pulse is different with 55gr. This can vary by weapon and depend on gas port size. To combat this Giesselle recommends that you use and H2 or H3 buffer in a 10.5 inch barrel. I’m guessing the combination of heavy buffer with the 10.5 barrel and 77gr projectile would make it cycle correctly. There is people commenting about this in the post, but since it is Reddit it is being ignored. Without getting his upper in and changing out his buffer I can’t prove it out but we would be willing to do so. We are working on a video showing proper buffer setups with short barrels and heavy projectiles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: Originally Posted By Hammerthrower19: @Jman_JJE Thank you for that response! I did see a post on Reddit where the owner of Otter Creek Labs said that if it’s the SMK bullet then it’ll be fine with a suppressor so that also sold me on it. Plus I have a Surefire RC2 so the mounting system is one of the most consistent on the market so I have no doubt it’ll be fine. I hope you can understand my concerns though since it’s not a cheap suppressor lol. The Reddit post the other guy and I were talking about didn’t blow up his gun however, not sure if you saw it. He just had a butt load of FTF and a blown primer. I’ll link it just in case you haven’t seen it. I wonder if that guy sent in a warranty claim. He was using the 77gr OTM https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/s/dd6JhxA0nT I have no information other than looking at the post quickly. My cursory take is that 77gr OTM out of a short barrel results in higher pressures and violent cycling. I believe this is why he is saying that the gun works with 55gr PMC/Winchester. The recoil pulse is different with 55gr. This can vary by weapon and depend on gas port size. To combat this Giesselle recommends that you use and H2 or H3 buffer in a 10.5 inch barrel. I’m guessing the combination of heavy buffer with the 10.5 barrel and 77gr projectile would make it cycle correctly. There is people commenting about this in the post, but since it is Reddit it is being ignored. Without getting his upper in and changing out his buffer I can’t prove it out but we would be willing to do so. We are working on a video showing proper buffer setups with short barrels and heavy projectiles.  FWIW I use a h2 in every ar pattern rifle I own except a mk12 clone. All of them except the 12 clone are 14.5 or 10.3 with properly gassed colt socom, colt fbi, & centurion barrels. I also run a rc2 on all of them except the 12. I’ve never had an issue with not cycling or cycling to hard. I only run 5.56 pressure ammo. If one has huge gas ports I’d maybe go to a h3 depending. Changing buffers is stupid easy… it sounds like alot of redditors don’t have much experience with firearms. ETA: I do have a PSA freedom 16”’midlength upper/poverty pony lower that I’m fairly certain i have a h2 in as well. I’ll check when I get home on that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:06:07 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: I have no information other than looking at the post quickly. My cursory take is that 77gr OTM out of a short barrel results in higher pressures and violent cycling. I believe this is why he is saying that the gun works with 55gr PMC/Winchester. The recoil pulse is different with 55gr. This can vary by weapon and depend on gas port size. To combat this Giesselle recommends that you use and H2 or H3 buffer in a 10.5 inch barrel. I’m guessing the combination of heavy buffer with the 10.5 barrel and 77gr projectile would make it cycle correctly. There is people commenting about this in the post, but since it is Reddit it is being ignored. Without getting his upper in and changing out his buffer I can’t prove it out but we would be willing to do so. We are working on a video showing proper buffer setups with short barrels and heavy projectiles. Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. Can’t wait to see how this ammo does in my SPR then. One of my buddies has a Barret MRAD in .308 and I sent him the .308 175gr SMKs to try. Do you have an ETA as to when those will be back in stock? And does all your guys ammo go back into stock at the same time or does it depend on the caliber/loading? |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:08:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: FWIW I use a h2 in every ar pattern rifle I own except a mk12 clone. All of them except the 12 clone are 14.5 or 10.3 with properly gassed colt socom, colt fbi, & centurion barrels. I also run a rc2 on all of them except the 12. I’ve never had an issue with not cycling or cycling to hard. I only run 5.56 pressure ammo. If one has huge gas ports I’d maybe go to a h3 depending. Changing buffers is stupid easy… it sounds like alot of redditors don’t have much experience with firearms. I also have the same setups in a way as you. I have a “Mock 12” build with a 18in DD S2W barrel and a rifle length buffer tube. Then on my Block II clone I run an H2. Do you run AAC ammo as well? If so what do you shoot? |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 2:00:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duck_Hunt]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: I also have the same setups in a way as you. I have a “Mock 12” build with a 18in DD S2W barrel and a rifle length buffer tube. Then on my Block II clone I run an H2. Do you run AAC ammo as well? If so what do you shoot? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hammerthrower19: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: FWIW I use a h2 in every ar pattern rifle I own except a mk12 clone. All of them except the 12 clone are 14.5 or 10.3 with properly gassed colt socom, colt fbi, & centurion barrels. I also run a rc2 on all of them except the 12. I’ve never had an issue with not cycling or cycling to hard. I only run 5.56 pressure ammo. If one has huge gas ports I’d maybe go to a h3 depending. Changing buffers is stupid easy… it sounds like alot of redditors don’t have much experience with firearms. I also have the same setups in a way as you. I have a “Mock 12” build with a 18in DD S2W barrel and a rifle length buffer tube. Then on my Block II clone I run an H2. Do you run AAC ammo as well? If so what do you shoot? Currently I pretty much only shoot the aac 77gr otms. Prior to those coming out I shot out of my deep imi and cbc stash of 77gr(that I no longer have to touch thanks to PSA) Every now and then I’ll pick up some 55gr just to blow through with a belt loop. Eta: years and years ago before imi and cbc was a thing, I exclusively shot ppu 75’s. They were ok, just slow and not very accurate in the rifles I had at the time. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 2:52:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jkees]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jman_JJE: I have no information other than looking at the post quickly. My cursory take is that 77gr OTM out of a short barrel results in higher pressures and violent cycling. I believe this is why he is saying that the gun works with 55gr PMC/Winchester. The recoil pulse is different with 55gr. This can vary by weapon and depend on gas port size. To combat this Giesselle recommends that you use and H2 or H3 buffer in a 10.5 inch barrel. I’m guessing the combination of heavy buffer with the 10.5 barrel and 77gr projectile would make it cycle correctly. There is people commenting about this in the post, but since it is Reddit it is being ignored. Without getting his upper in and changing out his buffer I can’t prove it out but we would be willing to do so. We are working on a video showing proper buffer setups with short barrels and heavy projectiles. As a data point I have a 10.3" geissele super duty sporting a super 42 with H3 and with y'all's 77gr OTM I have not had any issues with any feeding. ETA: unsupressed. |
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