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Link Posted: 4/29/2018 11:29:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sanman28:
Is a block 1 with a 553/EXPS now a 1.5/pr?  Or does a 1.5 need a ris II fsb also?  
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Using a DD RIS II makes it a block II in my book.

CD
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 11:45:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sanman28:
Is a block 1 with a 553/EXPS now a 1.5/pr?  Or does a 1.5 need a ris II fsb also?  
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A block 1 base rifle with a 553/EXPS always was a Block 1.5/PR.

A RIS II always makes a Block 2 whether it has a FSB or not
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 12:08:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

Not really, although it is labeled as the RCO-2 and the Marines do use a modified TA31H reticle in some of their newer ACOGs nowadays. But honestly nobody is going to see your reticle except you. So get what you like as long as its a TA31 or TA01NSN
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Is this the new TA31D? Do you know what story is with the reticle? Thanks
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 12:40:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By uniform64:
Is this the new TA31D? Do you know what story is with the reticle? Thanks
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Originally Posted By uniform64:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

Not really, although it is labeled as the RCO-2 and the Marines do use a modified TA31H reticle in some of their newer ACOGs nowadays. But honestly nobody is going to see your reticle except you. So get what you like as long as its a TA31 or TA01NSN
Is this the new TA31D? Do you know what story is with the reticle? Thanks
Yep. Don't know the backstory tho, other than it looks pretty effective.





Link Posted: 4/29/2018 12:49:45 PM EST
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Sweet! Thanks for the pics.
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 12:52:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By uniform64:
Sweet! Thanks for the pics.
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That same Marine took an actual reticle pic but I couldn't find it this time. Maybe @DontBuryMe can reverse image search it and find the rest of the pic set. I don't know how to.
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 1:17:04 PM EST
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Morning range sesh.

Link Posted: 4/29/2018 1:28:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

That same Marine took an actual reticle pic but I couldn't find it this time. Maybe @DontBuryMe can reverse image search it and find the rest of the pic set. I don't know how to.
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No joy. I can only find those same two pics whenever one or the other is posted.
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 1:52:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
No joy. I can only find those same two pics whenever one or the other is posted.
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

That same Marine took an actual reticle pic but I couldn't find it this time. Maybe @DontBuryMe can reverse image search it and find the rest of the pic set. I don't know how to.
No joy. I can only find those same two pics whenever one or the other is posted.
Darnskis. Nice gun fam pic particularly fond of the rifle on the bottom
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 2:11:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

Yep. Don't know the backstory tho, other than it looks pretty effective.

https://i.imgur.com/gJa5yad.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GnVuIvb.jpg

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That's the one I''m thinking of getting. B&H has it for 999.
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 5:15:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/29/2018 6:19:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Yep. Don't know the backstory tho, other than it looks pretty effective.

https://i.imgur.com/gJa5yad.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GnVuIvb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p10tm2h.jpg
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Originally Posted By uniform64:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

Not really, although it is labeled as the RCO-2 and the Marines do use a modified TA31H reticle in some of their newer ACOGs nowadays. But honestly nobody is going to see your reticle except you. So get what you like as long as its a TA31 or TA01NSN
Is this the new TA31D? Do you know what story is with the reticle? Thanks
Yep. Don't know the backstory tho, other than it looks pretty effective.

https://i.imgur.com/gJa5yad.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GnVuIvb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p10tm2h.jpg
That is bad ass!!
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 6:32:14 PM EST
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Red pmag?
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 7:03:12 PM EST
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Red pmag?
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
Red pmag?
MCT pmag dyed with Rit Dye.
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 8:04:37 PM EST
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Mossyrocks Are those extended A2 FH you are running with a griffin m4sdii? I have a couple m4sdks. Maybe I should use those for a more clone correct look.
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 9:11:03 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/29/2018 9:14:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AKDoc:
Mossyrocks Are those extended A2 FH you are running with a griffin m4sdii? I have a couple m4sdks. Maybe I should use those for a more clone correct look.
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Yes sir, one is a BCM and the other is a Shuster (from Adco). They’re both perfect mounts for the Griffin.  I checked before welding...
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 9:14:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/29/2018 10:09:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

Yes sir, one is a BCM and the other is a Shuster (from Adco). They’re both perfect mounts for the Griffin.  I checked before welding...
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This is good info, I am interested in getting this can.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 4:40:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
This is good info, I am interested in getting this can.
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

Yes sir, one is a BCM and the other is a Shuster (from Adco). They’re both perfect mounts for the Griffin.  I checked before welding...
This is good info, I am interested in getting this can.
You won’t be disappointed.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:13:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

You won’t be disappointed.
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I was worried about having to unpin my flash hider.
Do you shoot without ears?
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:18:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
I was worried about having to unpin my flash hider.
Do you shoot without ears?
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

You won’t be disappointed.
I was worried about having to unpin my flash hider.
Do you shoot without ears?
If you scroll up like 9 posts you can see he's wearing ear plugs lol
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:20:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

If you scroll up like 9 posts you can see he's wearing ear plugs lol
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So he uses ear plugs every time? Ok.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:23:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
So he uses ear plugs every time? Ok.
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

If you scroll up like 9 posts you can see he's wearing ear plugs lol
So he uses ear plugs every time? Ok.
I'm sure he has electronic ear pro too. I mean who doesn't? Lol

But yeah, 5.56 cans are still fairly loud I wouldn't do it. If it was .300 BLK sub sonics suppressed, that's more hearing safe
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:25:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:

So he uses ear plugs every time? Ok.
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I'm not answering for the poster in question, but that is the smart thing to do...
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:28:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

I'm sure he has electronic ear pro too. I mean who doesn't? Lol

But yeah, 5.56 cans are still fairly loud I wouldn't do it. If it was .300 BLK sub sonics suppressed, that's more hearing safe
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I ask, because griffin says you can use their can without ears. Which, isn't a huge deal I guess. Just curious.
Is it as loud as a .22? Will the neighbors still get pissed?
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:32:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
I ask, because griffin says you can use their can without ears. Which, isn't a huge deal I guess. Just curious.
Is it as loud as a .22? Will the neighbors still get pissed?
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

I'm sure he has electronic ear pro too. I mean who doesn't? Lol

But yeah, 5.56 cans are still fairly loud I wouldn't do it. If it was .300 BLK sub sonics suppressed, that's more hearing safe
I ask, because griffin says you can use their can without ears. Which, isn't a huge deal I guess. Just curious.
Is it as loud as a .22? Will the neighbors still get pissed?
I'm sure its still louder than a .22, but that just depends how far away your neighbors are. Less dB would get to them, but all libs have to do is identify a gunshot period and they lose their marbles.

.300 BLK sub Sonics suppressed would be the best option there if trying not to piss em off IMO

ETA I will elaborate. There's 2 things that make rifle fire loud as tits 1- the report of the rifle and 2- the bullet breaking the sound barrier (that's the loud crack heard secondary)

The can only covers number 1. Sub Sonics cover number 2.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:53:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:

I ask, because griffin says you can use their can without ears. Which, isn't a huge deal I guess. Just curious.
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Only if you're shooting subsonics would I try that.  And I don't know if I've ever seen .223 / 5.56 subsonic ammo to buy anywhere....  I think they make it, but....   Not all that common.  You'd have to hand cycle each round.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 11:55:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

I'm sure its still louder than a .22, but that just depends how far away your neighbors are. Less dB would get to them, but all libs have to do is identify a gunshot period and they lose their marbles.

.300 BLK sub Sonics suppressed would be the best option there if trying not to piss em off IMO

ETA I will elaborate. There's 2 things that make rifle fire loud as tits 1- the report of the rifle and 2- the bullet breaking the sound barrier (that's the loud crack heard secondary)

The can only covers number 1. Sub Sonics cover number 2.
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Correct. I have a 300 blkout that I shoot suppressed when my buddy brings his can out. I'm looking into getting a can that can go on each of my 556 uppers tho, without unpinning. To hopefully deaden the sound some. To help with my ears and others.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:08:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Correct. I have a 300 blkout that I shoot suppressed when my buddy brings his can out. I'm looking into getting a can that can go on each of my 556 uppers tho, without unpinning. To hopefully deaden the sound some. To help with my ears and others.
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

I'm sure its still louder than a .22, but that just depends how far away your neighbors are. Less dB would get to them, but all libs have to do is identify a gunshot period and they lose their marbles.

.300 BLK sub Sonics suppressed would be the best option there if trying not to piss em off IMO

ETA I will elaborate. There's 2 things that make rifle fire loud as tits 1- the report of the rifle and 2- the bullet breaking the sound barrier (that's the loud crack heard secondary)

The can only covers number 1. Sub Sonics cover number 2.
Correct. I have a 300 blkout that I shoot suppressed when my buddy brings his can out. I'm looking into getting a can that can go on each of my 556 uppers tho, without unpinning. To hopefully deaden the sound some. To help with my ears and others.
It will definitely help a lot guaranteed. Not sure if it will un-piss off the neighbors tho but its a good idea regardless. I would still wear ear pro personally cause I already have enough hearing damage lol, but that part is up to you.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:09:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
I was worried about having to unpin my flash hider.
Do you shoot without ears?
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

You won’t be disappointed.
I was worried about having to unpin my flash hider.
Do you shoot without ears?
Well this escalated quickly...  

I shoot 556 suppressed all the time with no earplugs, I don’t think it’s too bad unless you go through hundreds of rounds in a day.

I shoot steel targets, sounds awesome with a suppressed 556, 6.8 sounds like a car accident.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:09:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
I'm not answering for the poster in question, but that is the smart thing to do...
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By wissota4:

So he uses ear plugs every time? Ok.
I'm not answering for the poster in question, but that is the smart thing to do...
Smart? Yes. Haha
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:11:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:

Correct. I have a 300 blkout that I shoot suppressed when my buddy brings his can out. I'm looking into getting a can that can go on each of my 556 uppers tho, without unpinning. To hopefully deaden the sound some. To help with my ears and others.
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I absolutely love my M4SDII, fits every A2 hider I own.

Eta: I also have a 30SD that I haven’t even tried yet, would be an option to cover your Blackout and 556 needs.  My AAC SDN-6 is a 30 cal and I use it all the time on 556 and 6.8.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:14:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:
Well this escalated quickly...  

I shoot 556 suppressed all the time with no earplugs, I don’t think it’s too bad unless you go through hundreds of rounds in a day.
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Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:
Originally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

You won’t be disappointed.
I was worried about having to unpin my flash hider.
Do you shoot without ears?
Well this escalated quickly...  

I shoot 556 suppressed all the time with no earplugs, I don’t think it’s too bad unless you go through hundreds of rounds in a day.
That's it....I'm calling OSHA!
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:15:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

That's it....I'm calling OSHA!
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Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:21:03 PM EST
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I agree, wearing it regardless is a good idea. And my ears are already damaged enough too.

I was thinking the griffin for 556 and I can form 1 a blackout/9mm can at a later time. Really good to hear about the m4sd though! Do you shoot any 10.5 or 10.3 variants with it?
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:31:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
I agree, wearing it regardless is a good idea. And my ears are already damaged enough too.

I was thinking the griffin for 556 and I can form 1 a blackout/9mm can at a later time. Really good to hear about the m4sd though! Do you shoot any 10.5 or 10.3 variants with it?
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I have an LWRC A5 with a 10.5” barrel that gets the most use from the Griffin. Probably 1000 rounds through it so far. It has a Griffin Hammer as a muzzle device.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:37:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

Well this escalated quickly...  

I shoot 556 suppressed all the time with no earplugs, I don’t think it’s too bad unless you go through hundreds of rounds in a day.

I shoot steel targets, sounds awesome with a suppressed 556, 6.8 sounds like a car accident.
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I'm only 27 and I am almost completely deaf in one ear, and have mild loss in the other, from all kinds of stuff but mainly shooting and being near explosions without earpro; I will likely need hearing aids in the next 10 years.

Even if it is technically hearing safe by OSHA standard, it doesn't hurt to double up on protection. You can't ever undo the damage.

/lecture
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:42:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
https://i.imgur.com/vN6biZB.gif

I'm only 27 and I am almost completely deaf in one ear, and have mild loss in the other, from all kinds of stuff but mainly shooting and being near explosions without earpro; I will likely need hearing aids in the next 10 years.

Even if it is technically hearing safe by OSHA standard, it doesn't hurt to double up on protection. You can't ever undo the damage.

/lecture
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

Well this escalated quickly...  

I shoot 556 suppressed all the time with no earplugs, I don’t think it’s too bad unless you go through hundreds of rounds in a day.

I shoot steel targets, sounds awesome with a suppressed 556, 6.8 sounds like a car accident.
https://i.imgur.com/vN6biZB.gif

I'm only 27 and I am almost completely deaf in one ear, and have mild loss in the other, from all kinds of stuff but mainly shooting and being near explosions without earpro; I will likely need hearing aids in the next 10 years.

Even if it is technically hearing safe by OSHA standard, it doesn't hurt to double up on protection. You can't ever undo the damage.

/lecture
Mine are equally as dicked. I think most of the damage is from ear issues I had as a kid. Every time i would land from a plane flight my ears would physically bleed and intense pain. This happened a ton of times, I even used to get sent home from school because my ears would start bleeding and get infected.

Then you pile on guns and extremely loud concerts in extremely tiny venues all the time, no bueno. I also have had 20/20 vision my whole life, but that's starting to degrade as well.

ETA and I used to shoot strictly without ear pro for about a year straight, when I thought I was cool. Yeah, I was not cool. I was a dumb ass.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:50:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:

https://i.imgur.com/vN6biZB.gif

I'm only 27 and I am almost completely deaf in one ear, and have mild loss in the other, from all kinds of stuff but mainly shooting and being near explosions without earpro; I will likely need hearing aids in the next 10 years.

Even if it is technically hearing safe by OSHA standard, it doesn't hurt to double up on protection. You can't ever undo the damage.

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I'm 32 and can hear a mouse fart, maybe I'm just not sensitive to loud cracking noises or something but it really just doesn't bother me.  Also I don't think I have anyone in my family that has needed hearing aides.  Maybe it's just different for everyone?

I'm not condoning it, and I will admit I am not right.  Typically I'm mister safety so I'm not going to say someone shouldn't bother with ear pro.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 12:58:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossyrocks:

I'm 32 and can hear a mouse fart, maybe I'm just not sensitive to loud cracking noises or something but it really just doesn't bother me.  Also I don't think I have anyone in my family that has needed hearing aides.  Maybe it's just different for everyone?

I'm not condoning it, and I will admit I am not right.  Typically I'm mister safety so I'm not going to say someone shouldn't bother with ear pro.
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Well I envy you. I can't remember the last time I heard complete silence.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 1:02:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:

Well I envy you. I can't remember the last time I heard complete silence.
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I'm in that boat too.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 3:38:01 PM EST
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I'm in that boat too.
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I remember lying in bed when I was maybe less than ten wondering if everyone had ringing in their ears. Not sure what it is from, my dad never let me anywhere near guns without hearing protection and I didn't care about music until I was into my teens.

If I dig out through my old packet from MEPS I think I can find what frequency the ringing is; it's the only frequency that I couldn't hear every single beep in.
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I can't hear what any of you all are saying with all the ringing in my ears.  Seriously folks.  When I was young I really didn't think I would live to be as old as I am now.  Which isn't that old.  So I didn't give a crap.  You should give a crap.  I don't think it was the shooting that messed my ears up.  I did play in bands a LOT and LOUD for ABOUT 10 years.  I'm sure it did my ears no favors.

But a .30-06 in the woods with no ear pro will probably leave it's mark too.  Even if it wasn't high volume.  I'm all for people putting cans on their hunting guns.  It can only help.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 5:41:49 PM EST
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Here's a pic that seems to show another Ergo rail extension in use.

(Sorry it's small, I am looking for a larger/higher res version)

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