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Posted: 8/29/2019 1:28:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DStepec:
No work means a great time for spring cleaning and I was able to cobble this together with random box finds at the house. Upper: Colt raised C / raised cardinal, Colt BCG Barrel: Colt 14.5” barrel with KAC M4QD, ADCO spacer p/w’d. The spacer is amazing by the way and this setup still allows an M9 bayonet to be fixed securely, for any future people wondering that. Rail: KAC RAS / VFG Sights: Aimpoint M68 w/ QRP mount, Matech BUIS Lower: Colt ‘M4 CARBINE’ lower w/4 pos tube, H buffer, Colt FCG, grip. I took the N1 stock off my 727, and the SOPMOD off my Mk18 to try but for the life of me cannot decide which direction to go for this build. The SOPMOD is way more balanced even with no junk hanging off the rail. At most I will add an M3x. The N1 looks so skinny with the girthy RAS. I guess I could convince myself to toss an M3x on and then have the SOPMOD for batt storage like I do on the 18? Decisions, decisions, okay back to job hunting! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48637127218_62af1950b5.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48637621482_f618a1fc42.jpg |
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Posted: 8/29/2019 1:40:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GHOS7]
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You the man Tig 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2019 1:40:51 AM EDT
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I'm about to get a brand new eotech exps3-0. I traded my TA31RCO for it along with some cash. I didn't like the eye relief. This will be my first eotech ever and I've never had experience with it. I'll be putting it on my Block 1 so I'm guessing it'll be a 1.5?? I don't know how to post pics on here it's been awhile.
Lower: colt m4 carbine marked. Got that sucker while brownells had it on sale I also have a geissele ssa trigger installed with a 1st gen b5 sopmod. Upper: C and keyhole forge markings. C marked bcg. C marked barrel. Kac ras and broom stick. Pinned and welded extended a2. As soon as I get the eotech I'll post the rifle once I figure out how to post on here. What are y'alls experience with the exps3-0? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2019 3:36:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gonzaar24:
I'm about to get a brand new eotech exps3-0. I traded my TA31RCO for it along with some cash. I didn't like the eye relief. This will be my first eotech ever and I've never had experience with it. I'll be putting it on my Block 1 so I'm guessing it'll be a 1.5?? I don't know how to post pics on here it's been awhile. Lower: colt m4 carbine marked. Got that sucker while brownells had it on sale I also have a geissele ssa trigger installed with a 1st gen b5 sopmod. Upper: C and keyhole forge markings. C marked bcg. C marked barrel. Kac ras and broom stick. Pinned and welded extended a2. As soon as I get the eotech I'll post the rifle once I figure out how to post on here. What are y'alls experience with the exps3-0? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2019 7:33:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runguns: The EXPS3-0 is my preferred model eotech. The only thing I don’t care for is the auto off feature |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2019 9:20:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Guntoter:
As someone who just switched out the waffle stock for a SOPMOD Gen 1, I would recommend the SOPMOD. Far better stock, easier to shoot with and the nice rubber butt pad is awesome. The storage capability is a plus also. And they look great on a SOPMOD clone. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2019 10:49:51 PM EDT
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@DStepec That rifle looks awesome. Well done.
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Posted: 8/30/2019 12:24:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gonzaar24: Yeah that sucks. I always like having my red dot on at all times. When I was in the military we had comp m2s on our m4s and I remember the armory telling us to turn them off when we turn them in. I told them it's better to keep them on and that the battery life will probably last longer than their military career. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 12:46:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gonzaar24: Yeah that sucks. I always like having my red dot on at all times. When I was in the military we had comp m2s on our m4s and I remember the armory telling us to turn them off when we turn them in. I told them it's better to keep them on and that the battery life will probably last longer than their military career. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:21:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HD2006]
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:36:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2019 7:40:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2019 2:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryImpressive.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2019 6:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azfirearms:
@DStepec That rifle looks awesome. Well done. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2019 6:28:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gonzaar24]
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http://imgur.com/a/keWUQNN
Eta: I don't know if you guys can see the pic. My phone isn't showing anything |
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Posted: 9/3/2019 6:37:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2019 6:39:47 PM EDT
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i want to run nightforce scope rings, what height for this ?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2019 6:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHow did you manage to make it show on the forum?  I couldn't do it unless I'm leaving something simple out. And yes I need to change to trigger guard out
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Posted: 9/3/2019 8:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gonzaar24: How did you manage to make it show on the forum? I couldn't do it unless I'm leaving something simple out. And yes I need to change to trigger guard out |
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Posted: 9/4/2019 12:57:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2019 6:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
https://i.imgur.com/V6a9Gwb.jpg 
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USA
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Posted: 9/10/2019 10:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell done sir. Throw a couple of WMX200s and ATPIALs in there and I'd say you are close to perfection.
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Posted: 9/11/2019 3:57:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Timbo]
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Posted: 9/11/2019 11:24:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/11/2019 11:32:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner63a:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/5SFG_Block_1_5_M4_SOPMOD_Tigerstripes_jpg-1087222.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/5SFG_Block_1_5_M4_SOPMOD_Tigerstripes2_jpg-1087224.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/10SFG_Block_2_M4_SOPMOD_jpg-1087227.JPG |
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Posted: 9/11/2019 11:46:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:
I love that tiger stripe and those headbands. Straight outta 'Nam. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/5SFG_Block_1_5_M4_SOPMOD_Tigerstripes_jpg-1087222.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/5SFG_Block_1_5_M4_SOPMOD_Tigerstripes2_jpg-1087224.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/10SFG_Block_2_M4_SOPMOD_jpg-1087227.JPG  CD |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 1:39:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
and full color shoulder patches. CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/5SFG_Block_1_5_M4_SOPMOD_Tigerstripes_jpg-1087222.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/5SFG_Block_1_5_M4_SOPMOD_Tigerstripes2_jpg-1087224.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/10SFG_Block_2_M4_SOPMOD_jpg-1087227.JPG CD |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 4:50:13 PM EDT
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Question for those in the know....
While reading in another thread, discussion was on QRP mounts. The original QRP mounts that I have seen have always had tapered base like so: 
Another poster put up this pic: 
Says it's on an ML sight. What's the deal? Legit AP mount? Early version of QRP? The other poster is in Italy, something not offered stateside maybe? |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2019 5:40:48 PM EDT
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That QRP mount in the bottom pic is legit first version. Called the Rail Grabber back in the day. I actually have an Army TM that depicts this mount as part of the M68 system. I used to have one as well. The tapered one is the second gen QRP.
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Posted: 9/21/2019 6:00:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Thanks man.
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Posted: 9/21/2019 6:35:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2019 7:13:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eodsix:
That QRP mount in the bottom pic is legit first version. Called the Rail Grabber back in the day. I actually have an Army TM that depicts this mount as part of the M68 system. I used to have one as well. The tapered one is the second gen QRP. |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 7:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
Nifty. I've never seen that type of QRP mount before. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2019 9:39:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
Nifty. I've never seen that type of QRP mount before. 
Turns out I had two M68s with the first version of the QRP. These are scans of actual photos I took of them in the mid 1990's. I reckon now these could be considered Retro. One on my M16A2 
and one on my first M4 
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Posted: 9/21/2019 11:04:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eodsix: For your information. This is the cover for Change 1 of the first TM for the the M68 Reflex sight dated 1997. I think I may have gotten my first M68 in 1996. https://i.imgur.com/jvzgF7s.jpg Turns out I had two M68s with the first version of the QRP. These are scans of actual photos I took of them in the mid 1990's. I reckon now these could be considered Retro. One on my M16A2 https://i.imgur.com/0QRzbK5.jpg and one on my first M4 https://i.imgur.com/fGeagRt.jpg |
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Posted: 9/22/2019 11:12:18 AM EDT
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My first clone rifle, Colt factory gun, picked up a colt pinned and welded 14.5 for it.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2019 4:59:56 PM EDT
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Hey Everyone! So I am new to the forums but have been following this thread for awhile now. So I just recently purchased my second LE6920 (newer 2018 version) because I wanted the correct "Property of US Gov" stamp for clone reasons. My old clone I started was prior to Colt releasing their 2018 model so it only had the "M4A1 Carbine" stamp. On that rifle I ended up getting a 14.5" Colt SOCOM Barrel off Brownells years ago and I sent it in to ADCO to have the extended A2X flash hider pinned on. I also purchased a new LMT SOPMOD stock that I got a deal on at the time.
Long story short, after receiving my newer 6920, I noticed a few differences. First difference is the newer 13629 cage code that Colt now puts on their uppers and barrels instead of the "C". My older 6920 still has the "C" stamps. I also noticed the bolt carrier on the newer rifle has a nice chrome lined ring on the top that's very visible or appears thicker compared to my old one. The bolt carrier "C" stamp on my newer rifle appears to be pin punched vs stamped on older rifle. I noticed the H2 buffer in newer rifle has a copper spring that's slightly longer compared to old one. Also, I must have an older KAC rail on older rifle because the font appears to be more of a grayish color compared to white. My question is, for clone reasons, should I keep the upper/barrel from old rifle with "C" stamp or keep the newer "13629" cage code markings? Or does it even matter? Same question goes to the bolt carrier and H2 buffer? What's the difference in springs and which should I keep? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2019 5:00:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheWickMik]
[#38]
Refer to the pics...
New barrel on left, older barrel on right 
Newer upper with 13629 cage code 
Older Upper with "C" 
Newer noticeable chrome lined bolt carrier on left, older on right 
Older stamped "C" on top, newer pin punched "C" on bottom 
Newer "MPC" markings on left, older on right 
Newer copper/longer H2 buffer on left, older on right 
Older KAC rail on left (grayish font color), newer (whiter font) on right 
Same front sight post markings, both have "F" on other side 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2019 7:42:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PerfectTurn]
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A lot to digest TheWickMik. What are you trying to build/accomplish? First thing to keep in mind is that you’ll never be able to FULLY clone an issued service rifle. What you need to decide is what you’re after and to what degree of ‘correctness’ you want to go. That said, some people will go down to the forge marks (keyhole, AF, split A, cardinal, raised C, pressed C, etc). None of the cage code marked stuff applies to block 1. That all came WAY after the block 1. Your pin and welded 14.5” C marked barrel will be more appropriate than the newer cage marked barrel that has the goofy extended flash hider on it.
Until you start getting some direction, leave those 2 rifles exactly as you received them, don’t mix match anything yet. So, do you know what you’re after yet? If you have any questions, feel free to drop me an email and I can help you get started although there’s a billion threads of resources and a million better experts than myself, I can help you get off on the right foot. Also, when you’re ready to sell that M4A1 Carbine lower to help fund the build, you let me know. :) |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2019 10:09:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NCState85]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr:
Another recon ergo pic. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/471387/E229D967-65DD-4116-8511-01D4CDA5F306_jpeg-1066329.JPG Also, any word if these are personal purchase or unit purchased? If they're unit purchased, why not fork over the extra $150 and get the tried & true, free-floated DD RIS II's? I know the Corps is poor, but damn. Additionally, one of the things I disliked most about my M4 in the service was how short the KAC rails were. As I'm doing a standard-issue/SOPMOD clone, would the cloning deities smite me for adding these ergo rails? At the end of the day, I do actually like to use my clone rifles for shooting and stuff, so the more ergonomic they are, the better. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 12:15:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheWickMik:
Refer to the pics... https://i.imgur.com/l95JfrC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ARy1Krc.jpg New barrel on left, older barrel on right https://i.imgur.com/dj9ihsg.jpg Newer upper with 13629 cage code https://i.imgur.com/k69KiO2.jpg Older Upper with "C" https://i.imgur.com/0BMp8cm.jpg Newer noticeable chrome lined bolt carrier on left, older on right https://i.imgur.com/vl6AuKy.jpg Older stamped "C" on top, newer pin punched "C" on bottom https://i.imgur.com/5YqGRiE.jpg Newer "MPC" markings on left, older on right https://i.imgur.com/y6vtU4C.jpg Newer copper/longer H2 buffer on left, older on right https://i.imgur.com/jp9XCF9.jpg Older KAC rail on left (grayish font color), newer (whiter font) on right https://i.imgur.com/ZGwEK70.jpg Same front sight post markings, both have "F" on other side https://i.imgur.com/mx069ti.jpg CD |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:34:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCState85: So how does this fit into the whole SOPMOD theme? I know Recon isn't part of SOCOM, so they don't utilize the SOPMOD program entirely, but are any SOCOM units utilizing these Ergo extensions, or is it just some of the recon guys? Also, any word if these are personal purchase or unit purchased? If they're unit purchased, why not fork over the extra $150 and get the tried & true, free-floated DD RIS II's? I know the Corps is poor, but damn. Additionally, one of the things I disliked most about my M4 in the service was how short the KAC rails were. As I'm doing a standard-issue/SOPMOD clone, would the cloning deities smite me for adding these ergo rails? At the end of the day, I do actually like to use my clone rifles for shooting and stuff, so the more ergonomic they are, the better. You and I can look at it and laugh at how silly that is from the outside, but institutional bureaucracy can be a huge obstacle. Now as to whether all or some bolt on parts are "clone correct," that all depends on what you are building. Ergo extensions are not part of the SOPMOD package, if that matters to you. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2019 12:23:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
There are AF personnel who fall under SOCOM using Ergo rail extensions, as well. Sometimes it can be easier to get approval to bolt something on to an existing gun (like an Ergo extension) than to it is to get approval or justification to swap out handguards. You and I can look at it and laugh at how silly that is from the outside, but institutional bureaucracy can be a huge obstacle. Now as to whether all or some bolt on parts are "clone correct," that all depends on what you are building. Ergo extensions are not part of the SOPMOD package, if that matters to you. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 1:10:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64: Were these used on standard M4's or M4A1's? Thanks |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2019 1:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
The ones I saw were used on standard M4s, with burst instead of auto. The unit wasn't scheduled to get A1s anytime soon, so they were making the most of what they had. This was within the last 6 months. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DStepec:
A lot to digest TheWickMik. What are you trying to build/accomplish? First thing to keep in mind is that you’ll never be able to FULLY clone an issued service rifle. What you need to decide is what you’re after and to what degree of ‘correctness’ you want to go. That said, some people will go down to the forge marks (keyhole, AF, split A, cardinal, raised C, pressed C, etc). None of the cage code marked stuff applies to block 1. That all came WAY after the block 1. Your pin and welded 14.5” C marked barrel will be more appropriate than the newer cage marked barrel that has the goofy extended flash hider on it. Until you start getting some direction, leave those 2 rifles exactly as you received them, don’t mix match anything yet. So, do you know what you’re after yet? If you have any questions, feel free to drop me an email and I can help you get started although there’s a billion threads of resources and a million better experts than myself, I can help you get off on the right foot. Also, when you’re ready to sell that M4A1 Carbine lower to help fund the build, you let me know. :) |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: As stated depends on what you want to build. However, you're over thinking it unless you want a early version of the a Block I. Your 2018 would be correct for a current M4A1. I've used all those parts in Block II builds except for the KAC RAS. Parts wear out and need replacement with the next generation of parts or whatever is in the Army's supply system. CD |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2019 5:25:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DC2FA5]
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My light is incorrect, and I suppose the sling isn’t right either, but this fits here pretty well. Colt SOCOM Upper, TA31F, LMT Defender lower. Photo is from a disused nuke site that is now a training facility. You can see several steel silhouettes in the distance ranging from 120-350 meters out. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:12:47 PM EDT
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Picked up another Colt. Still need an optic for it, probably an Aimpoint. This one has a gov’t profile barrel. The ACOG equipped Colt has a SOCOM profile.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:15:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006:
Picked up another Colt. Still need an optic for it, probably an Aimpoint. This one has a gov’t profile barrel. The ACOG equipped Colt has a SOCOM profile. https://i.imgur.com/ZVJ3GWQ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VrCtygN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UQYzByd.jpg |
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