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MNRidesHonda IG @callsignninja Joined Dec 2008 Posts 2847 EE 100% (446) VA, USA	Posted: 11/25/2019 3:29:28 PM EST [#1]
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Posted: 11/25/2019 8:40:52 PM EST

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I have a 6920 Colt SOPMOD Block 1 clone with the stock Schmid Tool trigger/hammer assembly. It is probably one of the worst triggers I have ever had in an AR, it's gritty, scratchy, creepy, rough and if you let up on the trigger before it releases the hammer it just stays stuck where its at and doesn't always return on its own due to how rough it is. I use plenty of lube on it but it doesn't do anything to help.

Is it "within specs" to replace the firing group with a 2 stage type trigger assembly and still be a clone? Or does that push it out of boundary. I saw this linked from another thread and wondered if this would qualify, as it's a Schmid Tool assembly, but obviously different than the "milspec" semi-auto assembly. It does have the "S" on the parts and the trigger that is exposed looks like a milspec trigger.

https://www.botach.com/1005-tactical-2-stage-cqb-nickel-boron-plated-triggers-assemblies/

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Posted: 11/25/2019 8:58:30 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Guntoter:
I have a 6920 Colt SOPMOD Block 1 clone with the stock Schmid Tool trigger/hammer assembly. It is probably one of the worst triggers I have ever had in an AR, it's gritty, scratchy, creepy, rough and if you let up on the trigger before it releases the hammer it just stays stuck where its at and doesn't always return on its own due to how rough it is. I use plenty of lube on it but it doesn't do anything to help.

Is it "within specs" to replace the firing group with a 2 stage type trigger assembly and still be a clone? Or does that push it out of boundary. I saw this linked from another thread and wondered if this would qualify, as it's a Schmid Tool assembly, but obviously different than the "milspec" semi-auto assembly. It does have the "S" on the parts and the trigger that is exposed looks like a milspec trigger.

https://www.botach.com/1005-tactical-2-stage-cqb-nickel-boron-plated-triggers-assemblies/

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You are overthinking it. If the trigger is negatively effecting your gun, replace it. Nobody will call the clone police on you, except Tig. He might beat you up in the parking lot for it

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Posted: 11/25/2019 9:12:55 PM EST

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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:

You are overthinking it. If the trigger is negatively effecting your gun, replace it. Nobody will call the clone police on you, except Tig. He might beat you up in the parking lot for it

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Thanks for the advice. I had an MBT on an AR pistol I built a while back and I learned the stock trigger leaves a lot to be desired but I left it in this rifle for originality. It's so horrible I think I am going to replace it. A Geiselle is just too damn high priced and I kind of like this Schmid trigger, but I need to research it some more for reliability.

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Posted: 11/25/2019 9:59:56 PM EST

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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:

You are overthinking it. If the trigger is negatively effecting your gun, replace it. Nobody will call the clone police on you, except Tig. He might beat you up in the parking lot for it

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Ahhh....now see, you got me all wrong man.

FWIW, I tried the MBTs and the SSA and SSA-E.....I've come back to what I like over the "hotness". Basic milspec Colt/Schmid and ALG ACT groups. Both solid, both single stage.

Doubt I'll stay again.

As for the linked trigger group at Botach....pass. And fuck Botach.

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Posted: 11/26/2019 7:13:14 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Ahhh....now see, you got me all wrong man.

FWIW, I tried the MBTs and the SSA and SSA-E.....I've come back to what I like over the "hotness". Basic milspec Colt/Schmid and ALG ACT groups. Both solid, both single stage.

Doubt I'll stay again.

As for the linked trigger group at Botach....pass. And fuck Botach.

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ALG ACT is my go to

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MandPdude Joined Mar 2012 Posts 1673 EE 100% (71) WI, USA	Posted: 11/26/2019 9:08:16 AM EST [#8] I use the ALG QMS trigger and it's an improvement over the stock BCM trigger I had. I went with the QMS because I didn't want a nickle boron trigger on my clone rifle.

Guntoter A gun a day keeps the Dems away Joined Nov 2000 Posts 9066 EE 100% (13) IL, USA	Posted: 11/26/2019 11:14:16 AM EST [#9] Quote History Originally Posted By MandPdude: I use the ALG QMS trigger and it's an improvement over the stock BCM trigger I had. I went with the QMS because I didn't want a nickle boron trigger on my clone rifle. View Quote That’s an awesome trigger. This may be what I get instead, thanks for the info.
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JohnnyUtah427 Joined Jun 2017 Posts 688 EE 100% (246) NC, USA	Posted: 11/29/2019 11:00:57 AM EST [#14] Finally got my M4 Block 1 where I want it....after all the stages its been through with optics (Aimpoint T1, Trijicon TA31, Eotech553, Aimpoint Pro), I finally got it where I like it and can shoot the hell out of it.

Blacktridenttactical Joined Jul 2018 Posts 54 EE 100% (1) VA, USA	Posted: 12/4/2019 12:04:51 AM EST [#15] What year did the “CQD rear sling mount” come out? Would it be kosher for a sopmod block 1?

delta_romeo_echo Joined Jun 2018 Posts 214 EE 100% (3) USA	Posted: 12/4/2019 1:37:23 AM EST [#16] Quote History Originally Posted By Blacktridenttactical: What year did the “CQD rear sling mount” come out? Would it be kosher for a sopmod block 1? View Quote Not sure the year but seems like they are mostly on MK18 Mod0 and CQBR Block II rifles.

Combat_Diver Never Home Joined Jan 2003 Posts 10083 EE 100% (87) AFG	Posted: 12/4/2019 10:19:59 AM EST [#17] Quote History Originally Posted By Blacktridenttactical: What year did the “CQD rear sling mount” come out? Would it be kosher for a sopmod block 1? View Quote No, Block I had the side swivel mount under the FSB. CD
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wayfaerer320 Joined Apr 2011 Posts 5906 EE 100% (38) PA, USA	Posted: 12/4/2019 2:17:56 PM EST [#18] CAR stocks - any reason to avoid the $25 one that M&A Parts sells? Other than finding a real fiberlite, would that one suffice?

TGWLDR Gun whore Joined Dec 2014 Posts 26947 EE 100% (449) IA, USA	Posted: 12/4/2019 2:38:34 PM EST [#19] Quote History Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: CAR stocks - any reason to avoid the $25 one that M&A Parts sells? Other than finding a real fiberlite, would that one suffice? View Quote Brownells/B5 > current M&A. Last I saw, M&A changed to a non std lock assy for the lever.
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Posted: 12/6/2019 6:22:22 PM EST

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I bought a new black M9 bayonet rig from Ontario Knife Company (OKC), a contractor for the military issued M9's, and got it today. Fits right on the Colt SOCOM barrel with their pinned and welded flash hider. I know bayonets aren't used too much today, as lots of surplus issue M9's are for sale on the internets, but I wanted the proper bayonet for the Block 1. Trying to keep everything in black if possible.

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scottr Joined May 2001 Posts 840 EE 100% (34) WA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 6:33:03 PM EST [#21] Quote History Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: No, Block I had the side swivel mount under the FSB. http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/07/01/1828993_01_kac_ras_kit_colt_side_mount_fr_640.jpg CD View Quote Is that on backwards?

wissota4 Member Joined Jan 2014 Posts 3336 EE 100% (57) MN, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 6:43:13 PM EST [#22] Quote History Originally Posted By scottr: Is that on backwards? View Quote No.

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Posted: 12/6/2019 6:46:41 PM EST

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Originally Posted By scottr:
Is that on backwards?

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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:

No, Block I had the side swivel mount under the FSB.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/07/01/1828993_01_kac_ras_kit_colt_side_mount_fr_640.jpg

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Is that on backwards?

Akshully, that's the "correct" direction normally, unless using the KAC rails then it's turned around so the swivel can fold flatter to let the rail cover off. It is backwards on that weapon though.

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TGWLDR Gun whore Joined Dec 2014 Posts 26992 EE 100% (449) IA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 7:33:14 PM EST [#25] Quote History Originally Posted By wissota4: No. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Originally Posted By wissota4: Originally Posted By scottr: Is that on backwards? No. If it is.....all of mine are also.
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scottr Joined May 2001 Posts 842 EE 100% (34) WA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 9:05:24 PM EST [#26] https://www.sterlingarsenal.com/uploads/TM_9-1005_M16_Operator_Manual_-_2010.pdf Page 63 I asked CD because he would know

TGWLDR Gun whore Joined Dec 2014 Posts 26996 EE 100% (449) IA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 9:16:07 PM EST [Last Edit: TGWLDR] [#27] Quote History Originally Posted By scottr: https://www.sterlingarsenal.com/uploads/TM_9-1005_M16_Operator_Manual_-_2010.pdf Page 63 I asked CD because he would know View Quote Damn. I'm backwards AND wrong side.
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scottr Joined May 2001 Posts 844 EE 100% (34) WA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 9:29:13 PM EST [#28] I had mine backwards till I mounted an M203 under it. It gets in the way of the barrel release on the M203 unless it can fold forward Not sure why they put it on the right side though

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RobNC Member Joined Apr 2007 Posts 2534 EE 100% (230) NC, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 9:56:16 PM EST [#30] We were using the wire triangle sling loops, wrapped in 550 cord, that hooked through the FSB on our 203s in the late 90's. 82d, no SOPMOD for us.

TGWLDR Gun whore Joined Dec 2014 Posts 26999 EE 100% (449) IA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 10:07:38 PM EST [#31] Quote History Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: > what works best for you. CD View Quote I'm going with this.
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scottr Joined May 2001 Posts 845 EE 100% (34) WA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 10:39:07 PM EST [#32] Quote History Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Sometimes it takes field experience to determine what works best for you. CD View Quote Why does the TM show it on the right side? Is the sling supposed to go around the front of the FSB?

TGWLDR Gun whore Joined Dec 2014 Posts 27002 EE 100% (449) IA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 10:49:01 PM EST [#33] Quote History Originally Posted By scottr: Is the sling supposed to go around the front of the FSB? View Quote No.
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wissota4 Member Joined Jan 2014 Posts 3337 EE 100% (57) MN, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 11:04:01 PM EST [#34] Quote History Originally Posted By scottr: Why does the TM show it on the right side? Is the sling supposed to go around the front of the FSB? View Quote What?

scottr Joined May 2001 Posts 846 EE 100% (34) WA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 11:06:47 PM EST [#35] How does the sling get from the right side of the FSB to my left side?

TGWLDR Gun whore Joined Dec 2014 Posts 27003 EE 100% (449) IA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 11:23:53 PM EST [#36] Quote History Originally Posted By scottr: How does the sling get from the right side of the FSB to my left side? View Quote I have no idea the mindset there. I've never mounted anything other than left side. I'm at a loss.
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wissota4 Member Joined Jan 2014 Posts 3339 EE 100% (57) MN, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 11:29:39 PM EST [#37] Quote History Originally Posted By scottr: How does the sling get from the right side of the FSB to my left side? View Quote I'm pretty sure a 2 year old draws all the pictures on TMs so there's that.

TGWLDR Gun whore Joined Dec 2014 Posts 27004 EE 100% (449) IA, USA	Posted: 12/6/2019 11:34:43 PM EST [#38] 23&P shows the same BS....
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HD2006 Member Joined May 2013 Posts 1539 EE 100% (355) NV, USA	Posted: 12/7/2019 12:15:03 AM EST [#39] Quote History Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: 23&P shows the same BS.... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20191206-223313_Drive-1186220.jpg View Quote It’s just setting it up for the lefties

Daggertt Member Joined Sep 2015 Posts 1954 EE 100% (82) USA	Posted: 12/7/2019 2:03:00 PM EST [#40] where do you get one of these sling mounts these days? Everywhere I find them listed has them out of stock. I'm not picky about it being an authentic colt either.

CaptShiess Joined Nov 2006 Posts 2932 EE 100% (244) UT, USA	Posted: 12/7/2019 2:43:40 PM EST [#41] Quote History Originally Posted By Daggertt: where do you get one of these sling mounts these days? Everywhere I find them listed has them out of stock. I'm not picky about it being an authentic colt either. View Quote Stag has them at a great price. I just ordered one a few days ago. Still waiting for delivery.

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Originally Posted By CaptShiess:
Stag has them at a great price. I just ordered one a few days ago. Still waiting for delivery.

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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
where do you get one of these sling mounts these days? Everywhere I find them listed has them out of stock. I'm not picky about it being an authentic colt either.

Stag has them at a great price. I just ordered one a few days ago. Still waiting for delivery.

Stag are solid and won't break the bank. RRA are nice, (~$30, IIRC).

SAC or Brownells for Colt. EE is another good source.

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sqwerl Joined Jul 2011 Posts 95 EE 100% (16) AK, USA	Posted: 12/7/2019 7:17:41 PM EST [Last Edit: sqwerl] [#43] I just started my Block 1 build and need a lower. I know NoDak Spud makes retro lowers but will they build a modern lower for an m4? As far as the markings and finish?

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Originally Posted By sqwerl:
I just started my Block 1 build and need a lower.
I know NoDak Spud makes retro lowers but will they build a modern lower for an m4? As far as the markings and finish?

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NoDak does A2 lowers but they don't do the markings. You would need to send it out for that. Their website has a few places they recommend for engraving.

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Guntoter A gun a day keeps the Dems away Joined Nov 2000 Posts 9139 EE 100% (13) IL, USA	Posted: 12/7/2019 7:37:45 PM EST [#45] Quote History Originally Posted By sqwerl: I just started my Block 1 build and need a lower. I know NoDak Spud makes retro lowers but will they build a modern lower for an m4? As far as the markings and finish? View Quote PSA has M4A1 Government Property marked lowers. No Colt symbols but the space is there to be engraved if you want.
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Can someone school me on the difference between the TA01NSN and TA31RCO?

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TA01NSN has a crosshair style reticle with BDC and only tritium. TA31RCO has Chevron reticle with BDC and fiber optic (day) illum as well as tritium (low light illum).

I prefer the TA31 overall. The TA01NSN was better for taking precision shots at 100 to 300 meters than the RCO

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