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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:29:54 PM EDT
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I'd like to see some baffle pics of someone running an SFMB and RC with at least a few thousand rounds through it; be interesting to compare.
4676 all 4P, yo. 
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:14:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
I'd like to see some baffle pics of someone running an SFMB and RC with at least a few thousand rounds through it; be interesting to compare. 4676 all 4P, yo. http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.040619.RC.Baffle.4676-RS-01.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
I'd like to see some baffle pics of someone running an SFMB and RC with at least a few thousand rounds through it; be interesting to compare. 4676 all 4P, yo. http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.040619.RC.Baffle.4676-RS-01.jpg 
Originally Posted By zachsmith526:
Surefire RC2 with 675 rounds on it, mostly 10.5/11.5” barrels with 3-prong FH.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 7:31:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: This is the skinny one a few folks are running in this thread. Remove the pic rail from the mount (will require a heat gun to break the thread locker) and you can direct mount the surefire scouts to the base. Provides a nice lightweight and tucked in light mount solution. https://i.imgur.com/Br5zbYO.jpg Direct from Gear Sector Cheaper from SKD and they are a site sponsor |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 11:24:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Spooled]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
I'd like to see some baffle pics of someone running an SFMB and RC with at least a few thousand rounds through it; be interesting to compare. 4676 all 4P, yo. http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.040619.RC.Baffle.4676-RS-01.jpg heres mine. Exact Round count uncertain. Over 11k over the last 3.5 years through a variety of weapons. Mostly 3p obviously, some brake use, and now I strictly use closed tines. most of the ammo I have used is federal and imi 193. A few weeks ago it got passed around at a clone shoot and had god knows what shot through it. 
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Posted: 4/27/2019 11:58:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
I'd like to see some baffle pics of someone running an SFMB and RC with at least a few thousand rounds through it; be interesting to compare. 4676 all 4P, yo. http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.040619.RC.Baffle.4676-RS-01.jpg |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 1:40:10 PM EDT
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amlpe posts and documentation are in the suppressor forum here and at silencertalk and at M4C.
Short barrels are the biggest contributor to excessive blast baffle wear. Unburned powder is sandblasting the baffles at thousands of degrees and tens of thousands of PSI. Using a brake as a sacrificial blast baffle is effective in breaking up the flame front and distributing the particles it around the blast chamber rather than the bare muzzle focusing it on the bore of the blast baffle. It saves blast baffle wear - numerous photos and round counts conform this. No ring flash hiders tend to shape the flame front and pressure wave into a pattern, and if you index the silencer in the same rotation each installation you get most of the wear that a bare muzzle would have given you concentrated in the pattern. Hiders with closed tines tend not to leave these patters because like the brakes, they break up the concentration a little bit. Although the ring at the end of a closed-tine hider also tended to fail first in some of the torture testing I've seen... which is probably moot because at that point you're suppressor is probably pretty fried, too. Personally, I wouldn't have a reservation about putting a brake on a short barreled weapon with a compact K silencer because odds are you're going to use the compact suppressor almost all of the time. You'd never hear the brake and it would be beneficial. Concerning full length silencers, I often enjoy shooting without the excessive length and weight full size cans give you, so I could see wanting to put a hider on a gun that might only be suppressed < 75% of the time. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 4:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
I used to use a brake when I first got mine, the blast baffle didn't get much carbon build up, instead it built up on the walls (where the ports are). I chiseled most of it off though because it was kinda hard to mount onto my 3p after a while heres mine. Exact Round count uncertain. Over 11k over the last 3.5 years through a variety of weapons. Mostly 3p obviously, some brake use, and now I strictly use closed tines. most of the ammo I have used is federal and imi 193. A few weeks ago it got passed around at a clone shoot and had god knows what shot through it. https://i.ibb.co/sq593cz/A57414-CF-94-EE-498-D-ABBD-68-E6968-FE2-FF.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
Originally Posted By krdt:
I'd like to see some baffle pics of someone running an SFMB and RC with at least a few thousand rounds through it; be interesting to compare. 4676 all 4P, yo. http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.040619.RC.Baffle.4676-RS-01.jpg heres mine. Exact Round count uncertain. Over 11k over the last 3.5 years through a variety of weapons. Mostly 3p obviously, some brake use, and now I strictly use closed tines. most of the ammo I have used is federal and imi 193. A few weeks ago it got passed around at a clone shoot and had god knows what shot through it. https://i.ibb.co/sq593cz/A57414-CF-94-EE-498-D-ABBD-68-E6968-FE2-FF.jpg I'd imagine that buildup would be worse with an SFMB, and from what I've heard, so is carbon blowback from the rear of the can. Either way, I think I'll stick with the 4P for the foreseeable future. Based on the eventual round count I get before significant performance degradation, I might consider switching to an SFMB if/when I get it re-cored. Of course, when my NT4 is approved that should spread things out a bit and take some of the pressure off the RC. Depending on how many rounds I put through it between now and NT4 approval, I might not reach the point I need a re-core for quite some time. Still, I'd be curious to see the long-term results of high round counts using an SFMB exclusively (10k+ or preferably 20k+). Unfortunately, almost every SFMB/RC baffle pic I've seen were relatively low round counts or a mix of MDs. Looking at the MB/RC baffle pics available, it appears you're still getting some degree of erosion around the bore. I wonder where the eventual failure point is on an RC when using an SFMB - separate from the muzzle device itself eroding and needing replacement (and assuming the can is cleaned ultrasonically to maintain adequate baffle volume). No doubt a muzzle brake makes a difference in usable life, I just wonder how much of a difference. If the ammo and firing schedules are comparable, are we talking a usable life extension of 5k, 10k... more? I've never really seen solid numbers outside of vague speculation. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 5:10:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt: Yeah, I already get a good amount of carbon buildup on the chamber walls prior to the forward bearing surface ring with the 4P. In the gaps between the tines, it can pretty quickly get above the height of the primary bearing surface/index ring. I have to go in there every once in a while and chip away like a miner lookin' for gold :\. I'd imagine that buildup would be worse with an SFMB, and from what I've heard, so is carbon blowback from the rear of the can. Either way, I think I'll stick with the 4P for the foreseeable future. Based on the eventual round count I get before significant performance degradation, I might consider switching to an SFMB if/when I get it re-cored. Of course, when my NT4 is approved that should spread things out a bit and take some of the pressure off the RC. Depending on how many rounds I put through it between now and NT4 approval, I might not reach the point I need a re-core for quite some time. Still, I'd be curious to see the long-term results of high round counts using an SFMB exclusively (10k+ or preferably 20k+). Unfortunately, almost every SFMB/RC baffle pic I've seen were relatively low round counts or a mix of MDs. Looking at the MB/RC baffle pics available, it appears you're still getting some degree of erosion around the bore. I wonder where the eventual failure point is on an RC when using an SFMB - separate from the muzzle device itself eroding and needing replacement (and assuming the can is cleaned ultrasonically to maintain adequate baffle volume). No doubt a muzzle brake makes a difference in usable life, I just wonder how much of a difference. If the ammo and firing schedules are comparable, are we talking a usable life extension of 5k, 10k... more? I've never really seen solid numbers outside of vague speculation. i helped my friend set up his cqbr today, he has a very low round count rc1 and what really suprised me was the weight difference. didnt have a scale but there was a noticeable difference between the 2, with mine being a good bit heavier. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 7:16:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billytehbob:
I have one, I like it. I don't think the concussion is all that bad. Can't comment on the can fitment, haven't gotten mine yet, but judging from pics, it looks the same as the flash hiders. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billytehbob:
Originally Posted By Rothperson87:
Thinking about using a SFMB on my block II build. I know it would be loud as hell and my neighbors at the range would hate me but it would mitigate some of the wear on the first baffle once my can comes in. Anyone else running one? Does the can still sit as close to the rail as the 4p/3p? They look to be similar dimensions from what I can see in pictures. Spoiler alert, it's horrendous 
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:09:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: krdt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
I quit worrying about that stuff after black rifle posted his after 20k somthing rounds of full auto with a 4p. These cans will last you a long time. i helped my friend set up his cqbr today, he has a very low round count rc1 and what really suprised me was the weight difference. didnt have a scale but there was a noticeable difference between the 2, with mine being a good bit heavier. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
Originally Posted By krdt: Yeah, I already get a good amount of carbon buildup on the chamber walls prior to the forward bearing surface ring with the 4P. In the gaps between the tines, it can pretty quickly get above the height of the primary bearing surface/index ring. I have to go in there every once in a while and chip away like a miner lookin' for gold :\. I'd imagine that buildup would be worse with an SFMB, and from what I've heard, so is carbon blowback from the rear of the can. Either way, I think I'll stick with the 4P for the foreseeable future. Based on the eventual round count I get before significant performance degradation, I might consider switching to an SFMB if/when I get it re-cored. Of course, when my NT4 is approved that should spread things out a bit and take some of the pressure off the RC. Depending on how many rounds I put through it between now and NT4 approval, I might not reach the point I need a re-core for quite some time. Still, I'd be curious to see the long-term results of high round counts using an SFMB exclusively (10k+ or preferably 20k+). Unfortunately, almost every SFMB/RC baffle pic I've seen were relatively low round counts or a mix of MDs. Looking at the MB/RC baffle pics available, it appears you're still getting some degree of erosion around the bore. I wonder where the eventual failure point is on an RC when using an SFMB - separate from the muzzle device itself eroding and needing replacement (and assuming the can is cleaned ultrasonically to maintain adequate baffle volume). No doubt a muzzle brake makes a difference in usable life, I just wonder how much of a difference. If the ammo and firing schedules are comparable, are we talking a usable life extension of 5k, 10k... more? I've never really seen solid numbers outside of vague speculation. i helped my friend set up his cqbr today, he has a very low round count rc1 and what really suprised me was the weight difference. didnt have a scale but there was a noticeable difference between the 2, with mine being a good bit heavier. Not for nothin', but I think it's arguable that mine already looks as bad at 5k. So, I'm not completely reassured by that photo, lol. ECPrevatte 15k+ 
4776rds
Also, for what it's worth, I was under the impression most of his full auto fire was through an upper with an SFMB. At least, I recall it being mentioned in one of his older Youtube videos that he runs an SFMB when shooting FA. I dunno if that's still the case. Be that as it may, the highest round count I can remember seeing was from brodband8 at 24k+. He's got some chunkies missing, but still plenty of life. I'm reasonably confident mine is wearing about the same rate, so I'm not hugely concerned about it - definitely not enough to swap out my 4P. If I can get 25-30k+ without resorting to a brake, I'd be reasonably happy with that (and I expect to get that and a lot more from my NT4). But, I don't think there is any question using a 4P is going to shorten the life of the can; the only question is by how much. I'd still be curious to have a more definitive answer to that. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 9:14:22 PM EDT
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I shot maybe 2-3K on that can with a SFMB. I haven't used a muzzle brake in 4 years.
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Posted: 4/27/2019 9:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I shot maybe 2-3K on that can with a SFMB. I haven't used a muzzle brake in 4 years. 
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Posted: 4/27/2019 10:23:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blackhawk5]
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I'm coming up on 18,000 rounds through my barrel and noticing some degrading accuracy at 100 yd benchrest. Time for a replacement.
Besides DD, any other barrel manufacturers I should look at for accuracy and reliability? Ballistic Advantage Rainier Arms? EDIT: Any advantage to Stainless over Chrome Moly Vanadium? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 10:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blackhawk5:
I'm coming up on 18,000 rounds through my barrel and noticing some degrading accuracy at 100 yd benchrest. Time for a replacement. Besides DD, any other barrel manufacturers I should look at for accuracy and reliability? Ballistic Advantage Rainier Arms? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 11:00:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22:
You can’t post without a pic of something for us to drool over 
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Posted: 4/27/2019 11:22:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Originally Posted By Bhavin22:
You can’t post without a pic of something for us to drool over 
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Posted: 4/28/2019 1:41:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I shot maybe 2-3K on that can with a SFMB. I haven't used a muzzle brake in 4 years. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 1:56:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brodband8]
[#18]
Somewhere around 27k +/- 500 rounds. Using a brake to lengthen the life of a blast baffle IMO is less advantageous than one might think.
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Posted: 4/28/2019 4:18:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2019 2:13:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThank you sir 
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Posted: 4/28/2019 2:16:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: krdt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8:
Somewhere around 27k +/- 500 rounds. Using a brake to lengthen the life of a blast baffle IMO is less advantageous than one might think. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/283538/59234831_1270801169739818_1252900337438687232_n_jpg-927149.JPG Definitely argues that an SBMB being required to preserve the longevity of the can is fairly overblown. At that point, you're going to be losing far more volume from carbon buildup than from erosion. ETA: Speaking of which, have you made any attempt at cleaning it out? I've been figuring I'll eventually need to find an ultrasonic cleaner I can stick it in vertically to deal with some of the internal buildup. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 7:24:26 PM EDT
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RC1 finally came back. One of these things is not like the other.
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Posted: 4/28/2019 9:50:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
Nice... truckin' right along at 27k. If mine is still in that good of shape at 25k+ I will be more than happy. And, of course, even after you burn through a good portion of the first baffle, it's not like it's just "lights out" for the can. Definitely argues that an SBMB being required to preserve the longevity of the can is fairly overblown. At that point, you're going to be losing far more volume from carbon buildup than from erosion. ETA: Speaking of which, have you made any attempt at cleaning it out? I've been figuring I'll eventually need to find an ultrasonic cleaner I can stick it in vertically to deal with some of the internal buildup. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
Somewhere around 27k +/- 500 rounds. Using a brake to lengthen the life of a blast baffle IMO is less advantageous than one might think. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/283538/59234831_1270801169739818_1252900337438687232_n_jpg-927149.JPG Definitely argues that an SBMB being required to preserve the longevity of the can is fairly overblown. At that point, you're going to be losing far more volume from carbon buildup than from erosion. ETA: Speaking of which, have you made any attempt at cleaning it out? I've been figuring I'll eventually need to find an ultrasonic cleaner I can stick it in vertically to deal with some of the internal buildup. Shoot it. Enjoy it. Forget about it. The things going to last a long time. If you clean it, it could speed up wear again. I think that carbon buildup probably helps protect the baffle, if anything. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 9:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You've become obsessed lol. Shoot it. Enjoy it. Forget about it. The things going to last a long time. If you clean it, it could speed up wear again. I think that carbon buildup probably helps protect the baffle, if anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
Somewhere around 27k +/- 500 rounds. Using a brake to lengthen the life of a blast baffle IMO is less advantageous than one might think. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/283538/59234831_1270801169739818_1252900337438687232_n_jpg-927149.JPG Definitely argues that an SBMB being required to preserve the longevity of the can is fairly overblown. At that point, you're going to be losing far more volume from carbon buildup than from erosion. ETA: Speaking of which, have you made any attempt at cleaning it out? I've been figuring I'll eventually need to find an ultrasonic cleaner I can stick it in vertically to deal with some of the internal buildup. Shoot it. Enjoy it. Forget about it. The things going to last a long time. If you clean it, it could speed up wear again. I think that carbon buildup probably helps protect the baffle, if anything. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 9:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
Shh, people that own suppressors are talking. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
Somewhere around 27k +/- 500 rounds. Using a brake to lengthen the life of a blast baffle IMO is less advantageous than one might think. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/283538/59234831_1270801169739818_1252900337438687232_n_jpg-927149.JPG Definitely argues that an SBMB being required to preserve the longevity of the can is fairly overblown. At that point, you're going to be losing far more volume from carbon buildup than from erosion. ETA: Speaking of which, have you made any attempt at cleaning it out? I've been figuring I'll eventually need to find an ultrasonic cleaner I can stick it in vertically to deal with some of the internal buildup. Shoot it. Enjoy it. Forget about it. The things going to last a long time. If you clean it, it could speed up wear again. I think that carbon buildup probably helps protect the baffle, if anything. Just enjoy your can dude. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 10:10:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: krdt]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I don't know why you even buy them if you're losing sleep over baffle erosion. Lol Just enjoy your can dude. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
Somewhere around 27k +/- 500 rounds. Using a brake to lengthen the life of a blast baffle IMO is less advantageous than one might think. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/283538/59234831_1270801169739818_1252900337438687232_n_jpg-927149.JPG Definitely argues that an SBMB being required to preserve the longevity of the can is fairly overblown. At that point, you're going to be losing far more volume from carbon buildup than from erosion. ETA: Speaking of which, have you made any attempt at cleaning it out? I've been figuring I'll eventually need to find an ultrasonic cleaner I can stick it in vertically to deal with some of the internal buildup. Shoot it. Enjoy it. Forget about it. The things going to last a long time. If you clean it, it could speed up wear again. I think that carbon buildup probably helps protect the baffle, if anything. Just enjoy your can dude. It's not like this thread doesn't repeat the same subjects over and over anyway. BTW, carbon does fuck all to protect your first baffle... that stays almost clean from the pressure/gasses. It's further forward where it becomes an issue; it can pack the baffles and reduce internal baffle volume (not to mention adding unnecessary weight). 
Just weighed mine and it's 19.5oz (new was 17oz, heh). |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 11:31:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt: Lol... take it easy there, stud muffin. It's just something to discuss. I'm certainly not losing any sleep and obviously if I were really worried about it, I'd be out buying an SFMB. Relax. It's not like this thread doesn't repeat the same subjects over and over anyway. BTW, carbon does fuck all to protect your first baffle... that stays almost clean from the pressure/gasses. It's further forward where it becomes an issue; it can pack the baffles and reduce internal baffle volume (not to mention adding unnecessary weight). http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/knights.carbon.buildup.png Just weighed mine and it's 19.5oz (new was 17oz, heh). |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 12:02:50 AM EDT
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On another subject, I got my Geissele SSP in yesterday. Despite having to fix a fucking burst water main in my front yard (that was fun :\), I managed to get it installed and do a little dry firing. Gotta admit I'm slightly disappointed. There is a hint of creep and some definite grit just before the break. Nothing terrible, but it's there.
You don't really notice the creep if you pull straight through firmly, but the grit is still there. If you feather it, you feel both the creep and the grit. A little surprised; my S3Gs and SSA-Es are all butter smooth and I've come to expect that from G triggers. Don't get me wrong, it's still miles ahead of most factory triggers, but for a trigger that retails for $240... Of course, I didn't pay anywhere near that ;p. It also has a slight blem in that some of the black finish appears to have "dripped" on the forward engagement surface: 
The pull is a bit shorter than on my S3Gs, with about twice the length of reset. If they could combine the short pull of the SSP with the short reset of the S3G, they'd have one hell of a fast trigger (not that the S3G isn't fast). I take it that was the original concept back when it was labeled the "Super Speed Precision." For whatever reason, that design created reliability problems they apparently couldn't fix, leading to the weird halted release, redesign, and name change to "Single Stage Precision." Anyway, the pull weight seems right on to the advertised 3.5lbs, maybe even closer to 3lbs. I'll probably keep it, but I think I'm going to be sticking with S3Gs in the future. My main complaint is the grittiness (the creep is pretty minor), but I'm hoping that'll smooth out after a few thousand rounds. If that's the case, I might change my mind after getting used to it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 12:48:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: smitty_007]
[#29]
Can someone shoot me a list or a link to a list of VFGs/Grip Stops that are Block II correct? Please and thank you
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Posted: 4/29/2019 12:53:36 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smitty_007:
Can someone shoot me a list or a link to a list of VFGs/Grip Stops that are Block II correct? Please and thank you But if you can't pick one from that list, then shame on you.
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Posted: 4/29/2019 1:42:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
KAC broom handle, Tangodown full size or stubby, seen some Magpul VFGs. AFG, AFG2, B5/Lanco grip stop. Among others But if you can't pick one from that list, then shame on you. 
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Posted: 4/29/2019 3:00:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 100roundclipazine]
[#32]
Su230 now and ditched the wmx for a badass desert sand brown m600c
Also shout out to arisaka, the new scout offset mount is the shit 
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Posted: 4/29/2019 5:06:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brodband8]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt: Nice... truckin' right along at 27k. If mine is still in that good of shape at 25k+ I will be more than happy. And, of course, even after you burn through a good portion of the first baffle, it's not like it's just "lights out" for the can. Definitely argues that an SBMB being required to preserve the longevity of the can is fairly overblown. At that point, you're going to be losing far more volume from carbon buildup than from erosion. ETA: Speaking of which, have you made any attempt at cleaning it out? I've been figuring I'll eventually need to find an ultrasonic cleaner I can stick it in vertically to deal with some of the internal buildup. It weighs 1 lb 4.4 ounces now so probably a few ounces heavier than it came from the factory but it's a gradual increase so you don't notice it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 8:29:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
On another subject, I got my Geissele SSP in yesterday. Despite having to fix a fucking burst water main in my front yard (that was fun :\), I managed to get it installed and do a little dry firing. Gotta admit I'm slightly disappointed. There is a hint of creep and some definite grit just before the break. Nothing terrible, but it's there. You don't really notice the creep if you pull straight through firmly, but the grit is still there. If you feather it, you feel both the creep and the grit. A little surprised; my S3Gs and SSA-Es are all butter smooth and I've come to expect that from G triggers. Don't get me wrong, it's still miles ahead of most factory triggers, but for a trigger that retails for $240... Of course, I didn't pay anywhere near that ;p. It also has a slight blem in that some of the black finish appears to have "dripped" on the forward engagement surface: http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/04.28.19-G.SSP.Blem-01.jpg The pull is a bit shorter than on my S3Gs, with about twice the length of reset. If they could combine the short pull of the SSP with the short reset of the S3G, they'd have one hell of a fast trigger (not that the S3G isn't fast). I take it that was the original concept back when it was labeled the "Super Speed Precision." For whatever reason, that design created reliability problems they apparently couldn't fix, leading to the weird halted release, redesign, and name change to "Single Stage Precision." Anyway, the pull weight seems right on to the advertised 3.5lbs, maybe even closer to 3lbs. I'll probably keep it, but I think I'm going to be sticking with S3Gs in the future. My main complaint is the grittiness (the creep is pretty minor), but I'm hoping that'll smooth out after a few thousand rounds. If that's the case, I might change my mind after getting used to it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 9:12:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
KAC broom handle, Tangodown full size or stubby, seen some Magpul VFGs. AFG, AFG2, B5/Lanco grip stop. Among others But if you can't pick one from that list, then shame on you. |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 9:13:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 100roundclipazine:
Su230 now and ditched the wmx for a badass desert sand brown m600c Also shout out to arisaka, the new scout offset mount is the shit https://i.imgur.com/SPMcIwB.jpg |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 9:29:22 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 100roundclipazine:
Su230 now and ditched the wmx for a badass desert sand brown m600c Also shout out to arisaka, the new scout offset mount is the shit https://i.imgur.com/SPMcIwB.jpg |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 10:14:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bhavin22]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: For the TD stubby, does it matter if its QD or not? |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 11:06:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Thats a sweet mount. I never even noticed it on their site. I love my other Arisaka mounts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Thats a sweet mount. I never even noticed it on their site. I love my other Arisaka mounts. Originally Posted By sbye:
I really like this setup. Nice rifle! |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 1:17:58 PM EDT
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For those of you running the surefire tapeswitch between the rails at 9 and 12, are you just using the dual sided tape or is there a better way to secure it?
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Posted: 4/29/2019 1:54:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 100roundclipazine:
Su230 now and ditched the wmx for a badass desert sand brown m600c Also shout out to arisaka, the new scout offset mount is the shit https://i.imgur.com/SPMcIwB.jpg What’s the story around the desert sand brown M600Cs? Are these available from standard resellers or is this another variant only issued to our military? Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 3:13:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 100roundclipazine]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_SBR: Build looks awesome! What’s the story around the desert sand brown M600Cs? Are these available from standard resellers or is this another variant only issued to our military? Thanks. The only guys I see use them much were CAG on the 416s with geissele rails Pretty old light. I think mine is 150 or so lumens |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 3:48:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73:
For those of you running the surefire tapeswitch between the rails at 9 and 12, are you just using the dual sided tape or is there a better way to secure it? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40760670763_994a39531a_k.jpg |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 3:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 100roundclipazine: As far as i know these were available retail. The only guys I see use them much were CAG on the 416s with geissele rails Pretty old light. I think mine is 150 or so lumens |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 5:38:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billytehbob:
Have you shot Geissele an email about it? I imagine it would smooth out with some shooting, maybe a quick disassembly to clean/oil it a bit to help. I manipulated my SSA-E and it's definitely not lacking; definite break with no grit at all, but I've had it for a couple years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billytehbob:
Originally Posted By krdt:
On another subject, I got my Geissele SSP in yesterday. Despite having to fix a fucking burst water main in my front yard (that was fun :\), I managed to get it installed and do a little dry firing. Gotta admit I'm slightly disappointed. There is a hint of creep and some definite grit just before the break. Nothing terrible, but it's there. You don't really notice the creep if you pull straight through firmly, but the grit is still there. If you feather it, you feel both the creep and the grit. A little surprised; my S3Gs and SSA-Es are all butter smooth and I've come to expect that from G triggers. Don't get me wrong, it's still miles ahead of most factory triggers, but for a trigger that retails for $240... Of course, I didn't pay anywhere near that ;p. It also has a slight blem in that some of the black finish appears to have "dripped" on the forward engagement surface: http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/04.28.19-G.SSP.Blem-01.jpg The pull is a bit shorter than on my S3Gs, with about twice the length of reset. If they could combine the short pull of the SSP with the short reset of the S3G, they'd have one hell of a fast trigger (not that the S3G isn't fast). I take it that was the original concept back when it was labeled the "Super Speed Precision." For whatever reason, that design created reliability problems they apparently couldn't fix, leading to the weird halted release, redesign, and name change to "Single Stage Precision." Anyway, the pull weight seems right on to the advertised 3.5lbs, maybe even closer to 3lbs. I'll probably keep it, but I think I'm going to be sticking with S3Gs in the future. My main complaint is the grittiness (the creep is pretty minor), but I'm hoping that'll smooth out after a few thousand rounds. If that's the case, I might change my mind after getting used to it. If I decide I just can't live with it, I can always return it to Brownells. |
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Posted: 4/29/2019 11:29:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2019 12:10:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
https://i.ibb.co/SxTXVTV/F0-FAD2-CD-18-F9-481-C-9-A17-EFE0-C31264-FB.jpg
Nice setup and gear |
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Posted: 4/30/2019 12:14:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
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Posted: 4/30/2019 12:24:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_SBR: Ah, didn't realize these were an old version with less lumens. Thanks! Another pic for you. 
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Posted: 4/30/2019 12:39:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
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