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Posted: 1/28/2018 9:39:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
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I totally didn't know he updated the pics, lol.
Page ownage. Because a mini-recce is still a recce. 
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Posted: 1/29/2018 8:54:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Did you not see where he said "I fixed it"? He went back and edited the pic so that it's displayed correctly. 
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Posted: 1/29/2018 12:26:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I totally didn't know he updated the pics, lol. Page ownage. Because a mini-recce is still a recce. https://i.imgur.com/28Ni5o0.jpg I'm not sure if my first part of the theory makes sense because the pressure is still the same with whatever ammo. But the lower velocity seems like it would be less violent on the bullet in flight once it leaves the barrel. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 12:44:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA: You got any groups to show and brag from that beautiful thing? I have a theory (well I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere and notice it with my own guns) that when velocity goes down, better precision is more likely. And then you have the added bonus of possibly having a stiffer barrel from being so short. Although that socom 10.3 CD posted would probably be a tack driver. Not sure what your profile is. I'm not sure if my first part of the theory makes sense because the pressure is still the same with whatever ammo. But the lower velocity seems like it would be less violent on the bullet in flight once it leaves the barrel. Your theory is most of the time correct. I also came to this conclusion a few years ago while reloading. The more I chased velocity the more I found accuracy suffers in 90% of the rifles I have loaded for. With the main exception being a 16in 308 gas gun. I was pushing 168 Amax at 2750 FPS in that thing and it was the most accurate load for that rifle. My recce is a prime example, my 77gr TMK with 23gr tac is 2600 FPS and regularly prints 1/2 moa. Hell its shot 1/4 on a lot of occasions. Of course these are 5 shot groups at 100. As soon as I go near max pressure or try to achieve max velocity it will open up to an inch. BC plays a huge role in this as does the “explosion donut” around the bottom of the projectile. This is why 6.5 Lapua is such an amazing cartridge. The base of the bullet does not drop below the neck of the case so it has a completely even push out of the case. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 1:42:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#5]
Yeah, I probably heard it from you. LOL.
The whole thing reminds me, I really need to take my M4gery, put my 3x9 on it and put it on my lower with my 2 stage trigger and bench it at 100. I've only benched it at 50 yards with a 4x on the carry handle. But every which way I shoot that thing it seems to display better precision than any of my other AR's. My recce has top dog at this point for benched 100 yard groups. But I've never actually done that with the M4gery. It's an RRA HBAR. It has constantly surprised me how well it will shoot, even though I can't barely use carbine iron sights with my eyes. It will shoot better than my sight picture tells me. So... I really need to give it a true test. Will be interesting to see if it will actually be better than my recce at 100 yards. I gotta try it with a fixed stock too. It's easier for me to shoot well with a fixed stock..... |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 8:39:34 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
I shoot with Utah a bunch. That thing is sub moa. Shot very tight with off the shelf 55gr as well. Shot even better with 77gr! Your theory is most of the time correct. I also came to this conclusion a few years ago while reloading. The more I chased velocity the more I found accuracy suffers in 90% of the rifles I have loaded for. With the main exception being a 16in 308 gas gun. I was pushing 168 Amax at 2750 FPS in that thing and it was the most accurate load for that rifle. My recce is a prime example, my 77gr TMK with 23gr tac is 2600 FPS and regularly prints 1/2 moa. Hell its shot 1/4 on a lot of occasions. Of course these are 5 shot groups at 100. As soon as I go near max pressure or try to achieve max velocity it will open up to an inch. BC plays a huge role in this as does the "explosion donut" around the bottom of the projectile. This is why 6.5 Lapua is such an amazing cartridge. The base of the bullet does not drop below the neck of the case so it has a completely even push out of the case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Originally Posted By JJREA: You got any groups to show and brag from that beautiful thing? I have a theory (well I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere and notice it with my own guns) that when velocity goes down, better precision is more likely. And then you have the added bonus of possibly having a stiffer barrel from being so short. Although that socom 10.3 CD posted would probably be a tack driver. Not sure what your profile is. I'm not sure if my first part of the theory makes sense because the pressure is still the same with whatever ammo. But the lower velocity seems like it would be less violent on the bullet in flight once it leaves the barrel. Your theory is most of the time correct. I also came to this conclusion a few years ago while reloading. The more I chased velocity the more I found accuracy suffers in 90% of the rifles I have loaded for. With the main exception being a 16in 308 gas gun. I was pushing 168 Amax at 2750 FPS in that thing and it was the most accurate load for that rifle. My recce is a prime example, my 77gr TMK with 23gr tac is 2600 FPS and regularly prints 1/2 moa. Hell its shot 1/4 on a lot of occasions. Of course these are 5 shot groups at 100. As soon as I go near max pressure or try to achieve max velocity it will open up to an inch. BC plays a huge role in this as does the "explosion donut" around the bottom of the projectile. This is why 6.5 Lapua is such an amazing cartridge. The base of the bullet does not drop below the neck of the case so it has a completely even push out of the case. @JJREA, here's a pic of a recent group I shot with plain old off-the-shelf 55gr M193.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 11:42:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#7]
-.22 equals less than 1/2". If that's 100 that's really good. But I do have to admit, 3 shots really doesn't cut it.
 You gotta go at least 5 to really count. But for hunters standards, that's a really good group.What kind of M193 was it? You remember? Lately I feel like Federal XM193 is shooting the best. But I don't think I can get it THAT good. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
-.22 equals less than 1/2". If that's 100 that's really good. But I do have to admit, 3 shots really doesn't cut it. You gotta go at least 5 to really count. But for hunters standards, that's a really good group.What kind of M193 was it? You remember? Lately I feel like Federal XM193 is shooting the best. But I don't think I can get it THAT good. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:05:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Infidel4life11]
[#9]
Faux Can
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:34:50 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
IIRC, it was just a box of Fiocchi 55gr I grabbed off the shelf at Dick's. I agree on the group, though; three-shot groups don't really prove anything. I was tuning my zero and just happened to string these three together. Once I zero a gun, I don't really shoot groups after that; I'm more focused on doing drills and running around and shooting, lol.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:15:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rgb]
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Posted: 1/31/2018 8:20:52 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgb:
https://i.imgur.com/di3q3cK.jpg |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 6:45:14 PM EDT
[#13]
My super awesome blast shield came in, real one in the works....
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Posted: 2/2/2018 6:54:24 PM EDT
[#14]
all these mod 1 builds making me want to drop money on more KAC and an AEM can
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2018 7:11:15 PM EDT
[#15]
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..??
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Posted: 2/2/2018 7:57:52 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jormungandr:
all these mod 1 builds making me want to drop money on more KAC and an AEM can 
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:03:39 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I have no idea what you're waiting on, dood. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..?? 
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:16:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dobs013]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: lol, silly rabbit, people with faux cans don't actually shoot their guns. . I gotta move
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
lol, silly rabbit, people with faux cans don't actually shoot their guns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..?? |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:00:50 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: That goes for you too chief. Chop chop...
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:06:18 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
lol, what do I need to get?
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:22:00 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: lol, silly rabbit, people with faux cans don't actually shoot their guns. 
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:24:15 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..?? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2018 10:19:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11:
If you do anything too a barrel there will be a POI shift. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..?? Hoping I don’t have to Re-Qualify to shoot at the 300rd Range..
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Posted: 2/2/2018 10:22:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
Was afraid that’ll be the case, but just hoping not by much, we’ll see when it’ll arrives.. Hoping I don’t have to Re-Qualify to shoot at the 300rd Range..Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..?? Hoping I don’t have to Re-Qualify to shoot at the 300rd Range..Oh yeah...Kali. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2018 10:34:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SSOUNN]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
WHUT? Oh yeah...Kali. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..?? Hoping I don’t have to Re-Qualify to shoot at the 300rd Range..Oh yeah...Kali. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:03:04 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: Apologies if it didn’t make any sense lol.. But yeah unfortunately the outdoor range I go to has access to 100yrds to 1k yards.. available ranges to the public is 25-100.. to shoot at the 300yrd range you’ll have to qualify by shooting a 2-3 MOA Group @ 100rds and get a RO to sign it off, if not RO has to stand there next to you while paper punching.. luckily that hasn’t happen to me yet.. =\ To have access to all the other ranges, you’ll have to become a member.. 
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:18:30 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
Apologies if it didn’t make any sense lol.. But yeah unfortunately the outdoor range I go to has access to 100yrds to 1k yards.. available ranges to the public is 25-100.. to shoot at the 300yrd range you’ll have to qualify by shooting a 2-3 MOA Group @ 100rds and get a RO to sign it off, if not RO has to stand there next to you while paper punching.. luckily that hasn’t happen to me yet.. =\ To have access to all the other ranges, you’ll have to become a member.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
Fellas with the Faux Can/Blast Shield, have you guys notice any shifts on impact shooting with it on and off..?? Hoping I don’t have to Re-Qualify to shoot at the 300rd Range..Oh yeah...Kali. 
While I don't have anything beyond 300 (or skills to really want to), I just call up my buddy and we go out to his family farm and blast away. We can juuuuust barely do 300, but we usually drop a plate at 100 and 200. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:32:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jormungandr:
so non freefloated m855 with irons groups are good to go? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jormungandr:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN: Apologies if it didn’t make any sense lol.. But yeah unfortunately the outdoor range I go to has access to 100yrds to 1k yards.. available ranges to the public is 25-100.. to shoot at the 300yrd range you’ll have to qualify by shooting a 2-3 MOA Group @ 100rds and get a RO to sign it off, if not RO has to stand there next to you while paper punching.. luckily that hasn’t happen to me yet.. =\ To have access to all the other ranges, you’ll have to become a member.. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:35:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
I really can’t answer that lol.. Plus I’ve NEVER seen anyone qualify with irons before Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
Originally Posted By Jormungandr:
Originally Posted By SSOUNN: Apologies if it didn’t make any sense lol.. But yeah unfortunately the outdoor range I go to has access to 100yrds to 1k yards.. available ranges to the public is 25-100.. to shoot at the 300yrd range you’ll have to qualify by shooting a 2-3 MOA Group @ 100rds and get a RO to sign it off, if not RO has to stand there next to you while paper punching.. luckily that hasn’t happen to me yet.. =\ To have access to all the other ranges, you’ll have to become a member.. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:36:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#32]
3 rounds or 5? That's quite the requirement. I'd be sure to take match ammo and some glass if I knew I had to shoot that. And some good rests.
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:51:16 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
3 rounds or 5? That's quite the requirement. I'd be sure to take match ammo and some glass if I knew I had to shoot that. And some good rests.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:17:24 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
How often do you have to qual? Just when you want to step up to a longer range or yearly? yeah I’m a regular lol, but I haven’t renewed my membership this year yet, plus I’m sure there NEW RO’s out there and I’ll have to start all over again..
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:20:25 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I'd bring this for the lulz. Being Cali, most of that stuff is a no-go though.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/32738386030_0077102831_b.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
3 rounds or 5? That's quite the requirement. I'd be sure to take match ammo and some glass if I knew I had to shoot that. And some good rests.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/32738386030_0077102831_b.jpg  .. Here in Commnie, we can’t have SBR’s, FA, Suppressors, Binary Triggers, Even a stupid Bump Fire Stock (Not a Fan Anyways) OHH THE HORROR
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Posted: 2/3/2018 7:56:55 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I'd bring this for the lulz. Being Cali, most of that stuff is a no-go though.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/32738386030_0077102831_b.jpg |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 8:07:41 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11:
1st place MOA ALL DAY LONG SBR Divion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I'd bring this for the lulz. Being Cali, most of that stuff is a no-go though.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/32738386030_0077102831_b.jpg
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:09:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I'd bring this for the lulz. Being Cali, most of that stuff is a no-go though.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/32738386030_0077102831_b.jpg 
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:25:15 PM EDT
[#39]
Better picture
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:31:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistorySo what's the point of the faux can?
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:35:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dobs013]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin: So what's the point of the faux can? And it's been useful for checking fit, I had to switch from a threaded Smith vortex back to the ae brake because the can would seat with the smith fh |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:50:55 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I'd bring this for the lulz. Being Cali, most of that stuff is a no-go though.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/32738386030_0077102831_b.jpg
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:56:11 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryCool. Just need the real thing to screw on the end now. 
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:59:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Cool. Just need the real thing to screw on the end now. |
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Posted: 2/4/2018 11:22:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rybe390]
[#45]
Here is my 0-1,000 yard gun.
DDm4v5 16" DD barrel Geissele ssa-e trigger Vortex pst 1-4 mil ADM recon mount 12" dd m4 lite rail B5 bravo stock A2 grip Streamlight hlx in a thorntail 
Running speed drills with it 
And the view from the 1,000 yard line 
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Posted: 2/4/2018 11:52:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rybe390:
Here is my 0-1,000 yard gun. DDm4v5 16” DD barrel Geissele ssa-e trigger Vortex pst 1-4 mil ADM recon mount 12” dd m4 lite rail B5 bravo stock A2 grip Streamlight hlx in a thorntail http://i.imgur.com/FYlYe8S.jpg http://i.imgur.com/x2hMa5o.jpg Running speed drills with it http://i.imgur.com/S1BE3vM.jpg And the view from the 1,000 yard line https://i.imgur.com/hQJoRUk.jpg |
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Posted: 2/4/2018 2:51:30 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin: Very nice practical setup there. Love the range card on the stock too. How is it making hits out past 600+ with the Vortex 1-4? I used to have on, and I actually really liked it, but I never got to shoot it very far. The range card has drops for 0, 5000, and 10000 ft DA, so it's pretty handy here in Colorado where you can fairly easily hit all 3 or come very close. On an AC zone ipsc, it's pretty easy to see out until 850 or so. At 1,000, the target is small, but you can still see it. I'd say I'm comfortable with this optic out to 800, 1,000 yard day was for fun and definitely stretching, but doable. I just like the versatility, I also run the gun in carbine matches indoors at 1x and it's just as fast as everyone's red dots. Within 600, I can double tap a target and have both rounds out before hearing the report of steel from the first shot. It's pretty fun. |
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Posted: 2/4/2018 6:28:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rybe390:
Here is my 0-1,000 yard gun. DDm4v5 16" DD barrel Geissele ssa-e trigger Vortex pst 1-4 mil ADM recon mount 12" dd m4 lite rail B5 bravo stock A2 grip Streamlight hlx in a thorntail https://i.imgur.com/FYlYe8S.jpg http://i.imgur.com/x2hMa5o.jpg Running speed drills with it https://i.imgur.com/S1BE3vM.jpg And the view from the 1,000 yard line https://i.imgur.com/hQJoRUk.jpg |
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Posted: 2/5/2018 8:50:30 AM EDT
[#49]
Thought I'd stir the pot a little this morning with this gem I just found on the 'Gram.
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USA
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Posted: 2/5/2018 8:58:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Thought I'd stir the pot a little this morning with this gem I just found on the 'Gram. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/111561/IMG_0012-442151.JPG
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