Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
The ALG EMR is becoming THE recce rail huh?

Originally Posted By outlaw7:
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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:


I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it.



I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire  FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one.



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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it.

I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire  FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one.

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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it.

I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire  FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one.

<a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg</a>

Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:


Banging steel today with boring regularity with CBC 77gr OTM. Took some pics when I got home.

http://s13.postimg.org/9t6zeb4t3/IMG_6047.jpg

this is for Utah......that honest wear

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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it.

I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire  FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one.

<a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg</a>

Originally Posted By MTNShewter:
Just finished the SPR. Next up is to replace the barrel on the 16" with something profiled for the AEM5 and find an ACOG

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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Banging steel today with boring regularity with CBC 77gr OTM. Took some pics when I got home.
<a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/9t6zeb4t3/IMG_6047.jpg</a>
this is for Utah......that honest wear
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Banging steel today with boring regularity with CBC 77gr OTM. Took some pics when I got home.
<a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/9t6zeb4t3/IMG_6047.jpg</a>
this is for Utah......that honest wear
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Originally Posted By TannerB:
Switched out optics, I love the reticle in it. 2.5x10. Not sure if it still qualifies as a recce or more of a spr now.

Originally Posted By patriot_man:
It's my opinion that the true SEAL recon rifles were used for more of a precision role while possessing the capability to be used in CQB if needed. I believe that these rifles may be used for over watch by SEAL snipers as well as the name implies, for recce's.

I've normally accepted that the recon rifle was used soley by the SEAL snipers within the unit. However there was information that did not mesh well so I've thought about this for a while. This is just my analysis and the only way to be sure is to get the info first hand but this is my take. I've read Mark Owen (an assaulter) mention that he had a 14.5" HK416 upper with a NF scope for longer engagements if needed. As many of you know we've been told that the HK416 with a 14.5" barrel and NF 2.5-10 is now the new recce rifle so that brings up a lot of questions as to who has a recce rifle or even if the HK416 with a 14.5" barrel is considered a the true successor to the recce rifle.

So this info I've formed that the following two things are going on here:
1) SEAL snipers within DEVGRU are utilizing 14.5" HK416 uppers which are readily available to all of its members, not just snipers, and using it in the same role as the recon rifle.
2) Recon rifles in the "original" configuration are still in use. These sets of photos are actually pretty recent dating around 2011 or 2012. Using some logic I've narrowed down the time frame to between the Bin Laden raid and October 2012.

In conclusion I think that the original recce rifle is still in use but may be  only used by SEAL snipers while the 14.5" HK416 uppers are readily accessible to everyone including assaulters but are also used by a number of SEAL snipers as their choice to fill the same role as the recon rifle.

As for CQB use. If any of you guys watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPFUWOYkrDE you see that Dom Raso uses the red dot to line up his sight picture with the target and then drops his head to use the scope. Using my clone for a while I found that I was using the red dot in a similar way. I believe this is why we see so many red dots in 12 o clock mounts instead of the usual 45 degrees we see with "gamer guns". While it indeed does provide a red dot for back up use and CQB one of it's other main purpose is to be used as a target acquisition aid i.e. a more precision rifle orientated use. If they were trying to find a gun that would be a well rounded performer they would have most likely gone with an offset red dot or a lower power variable scope.

Secondly I have not seen a single white light on a recon rifle. If you guys have seen photos of assaulter's short HK416 rifles in the same unit you notice that all of them have a SF scout in a S&S precision mount. I think the lack of white light also points to a precision based rig.

Third, once again connecting back to Dom Raso. He has a clone of a recon rifle and he has mentioned to me that it is a clone of his rifle he had in the service. I think a lot of signs point to him as being in some sort of designated marksman or potentially a sniper but I can not confirm. His photos in the service always shows him with a magnified optic on his rifle and is something that stands out to me, especially when all the photos of his unit have Eotech sights on their rifles.

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Originally Posted By patriot_man:

snip.

TannerB, you have the 2 HK416 uppers right? Are they MR556's or HK416's? I actually just started to part out my recce rifle to go that route.

Originally Posted By Bravo42:
I think I asked before but is anyone running an a2 stock on their recce and liking it? i can't get a good cheek weld with my optic and my sopmod bravo stock and was debating putting it up for sale and getting an a2.

Originally Posted By minion42:



FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none.





ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles.

Originally Posted By minion42:
A little more on the previous conversation:

Been doing some thinking/watching/reading on the role and specs of the RECCE/recon platform, and it seems we have two contradictory concepts of the recce running here. Problem is, both versions “have been seen in the wild” whether from verbal reports or pictures, which further underscores the nebulous nature of these “clones.”

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On one hand…

Look at Raso’s gun, the glass, rail, barrel material….in every way except for barrel length that thing is a mini-SPR. It doesn’t seem to have a CQB or <50yd role at all other than the mini red dot.

There is a video of Marines in Helmand that was pointed out as being representative of the DMR/RECCE overwatch role, but everyone in that video is using a high-power scope on a Mk12 type platform or more of a traditional bolt gun. For overwatch, wouldn’t you use a dedicated sniper platform anyway instead of a recce-type “do it all” gun? What does this give you that is lacking in a Mk12 or M24 or M110 system for this role?

On the other hand…

The screen grabs from CoD WF are of a 1-4(6)x of some kind and a visible/IR laser, which seems to be closer to the original concept outlined in the beginning of this thread…that of an “accurized” M4. I’m under the impression that lasers are only used in close range engagements, not the DMR or sniper role. Is that accurate?

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FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none.


ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles.

Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've decided to get a bit more serious with my MRE, so I'm looking for some advice on some part swapping. I plan on removing the SF3P in favor of an NT4, getting a legit N1/CAR stock, or swapping for an A1, and maybe ditching the TA01NSN in favor of a GRSC 1-4 (if I can find one). I'm not really sure which scope rings would be "more correct" for the GRSC, so if anyone has any ideas, let me know.

Any suggestions?

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Originally Posted By Bravo42:
I think I asked before but is anyone running an a2 stock on their recce and liking it? i can't get a good cheek weld with my optic and my sopmod bravo stock and was debating putting it up for sale and getting an a2.