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Posted: 7/5/2022 7:57:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Just a heads up - I've been seeing a bunch of what I assume are Chinese AE mounts lately. Both brakes and flash hiders. If you are using these things, it's pretty much a guarantee that you are going to carbon up the brake threads and have a hard time removing the suppressor. I'll be adding a disclaimer to my site tonight that our contour/collar service is only guaranteed to fit with genuine AE brakes.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 8:02:53 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: Saw a Gordon collar on gunbroker for $500. I have 50-60 of them in inventory for about 25% of that price. Some of the dealers advertising AEM5's for 1500 are going to be surprised when they try to order from me again. So you are saying the basically new OPS 12th I just sold out of my friends estate for $300, could have been listed on gunbroker for $1500?! |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: So you are saying the basically new OPS 12th I just sold out of my friends estate for $300, could have been listed on gunbroker for $1500?! Don’t forget about us when you are selling stuff off… Sorry about your friend. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:26:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeremywills: I happen to have a Ruger American in 5.56, 308, and 300 blk. Which one are you interested in and I need to know where to take the measurement at. 556 Idk, 16.1” barrel so the taper needs to be like 2.48” behind that, right? @jeremywills you da man |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:30:33 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: 556 Idk, 16.1” barrel so the taper needs to be like 2.48” behind that, right? @jeremywills you da man Dude there’s no way a Ruger American is 0.92”… |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:55:28 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Just a heads up - I've been seeing a bunch of what I assume are Chinese AE mounts lately. Both brakes and flash hiders. If you are using these things, it's pretty much a guarantee that you are going to carbon up the brake threads and have a hard time removing the suppressor. I'll be adding a disclaimer to my site tonight that our contour/collar service is only guaranteed to fit with genuine AE brakes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20220705_194519-2442882.jpg That wouldn't be an authentic brake you got from Ron and installed on a FDE 223 barreled bolt action, would it? |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 10:11:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KavonTN: 9.75" thank you |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 1:38:18 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Dude there’s no way a Ruger American is 0.92”… You’re looking for M24, bull sporter, and heavy Palma type barrels to have enough meat to do a collarless profile on a barrel. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 2:40:39 AM EDT
[#9]
PSD has 12 AEM5s in stock right now
https://presampledepot.com/shop/allen-engineering-model-5-aem5-suppressor-knurled-2/ |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2022 8:53:38 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Just a heads up - I've been seeing a bunch of what I assume are Chinese AE mounts lately. Both brakes and flash hiders. If you are using these things, it's pretty much a guarantee that you are going to carbon up the brake threads and have a hard time removing the suppressor. I'll be adding a disclaimer to my site tonight that our contour/collar service is only guaranteed to fit with genuine AE brakes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20220705_194519-2442882.jpg Is there an identifiable trait or measurement to identify a ChiCom AEMB copy? I am not worried about my AEMB brakes. I either sourced them from Capitol Armory or directly from “the man” himself Ron Allen. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:44:01 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: I’m wrapping up a .300 BLK American Ranch SBR right now to run the AEM5-30 You have to post pics when you’re done! |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:04:00 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: So you are saying the basically new OPS 12th I just sold out of my friends estate for $300, could have been listed on gunbroker for $1500?! $325 easily. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 12:58:43 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Don’t forget about us when you are selling stuff off… Sorry about your friend. He's a local customer and an ARFCOMer. It went to a good home and is on a very nice MOD1 clone. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2022 7:35:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jeremywills]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: 556 Idk, 16.1” barrel so the taper needs to be like 2.48” behind that, right? @jeremywills you da man Sorry my man. I think your gonna be disappointed if you wanted a taper machined directly onto the barrel profile with no additional collar.  Ruger American 5.56 barrel at approx 2.7 inches behind the muzzle is just shy of 0.70 inches at my favorite # of 0.69.  |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:31:47 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Just a heads up - I've been seeing a bunch of what I assume are Chinese AE mounts lately. Both brakes and flash hiders. If you are using these things, it's pretty much a guarantee that you are going to carbon up the brake threads and have a hard time removing the suppressor. I'll be adding a disclaimer to my site tonight that our contour/collar service is only guaranteed to fit with genuine AE brakes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20220705_194519-2442882.jpg What makes you think they're Chinese? |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 9:08:22 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Let’s talk non traditional hosts. Anyone have some budget (Ruger American) bolt guns that can mic the barrel and see if it’s thick enough to profile instead of adding a collar? Not trying to be like @outrider with a custom 223 bolt gun toy  Ron: is there a specific minimum barrel diameter you’d recommend? I have a spare 700 receiver on the shelf. I'd like to do a remage 12" 6.5G for my m24 can but don't feel like doing a form 1. Maybe I'll just grab a bighorn action, maybe I'll just go with 16", but I'll get around to it eventually. |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 9:18:24 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shlouf: I have a spare 700 receiver on the shelf. I'd like to do a remage 12" 6.5G for my m24 can but don't feel like doing a form 1. Maybe I'll just grab a bighorn action, maybe I'll just go with 16", but I'll get around to it eventually. I was very happy with the Bighorn Origin action. Having prefit barrels makes it a breeze too to not fiddle with barrel nut timing/headspacing. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 11:25:24 PM EDT
[#18]
Friday night shenanigans
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Posted: 7/8/2022 11:32:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistorySo awesome! |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 11:42:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNiiice. Is that a Gordon can? I'd love one of those. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 11:46:53 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Niiice. Is that a Gordon can? I'd love one of those. m24 can I believe. How long is that thing? |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 12:02:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Anyone own the trifecta- aem5, Gordon and m24? I hope to own all 3 someday. Have the aem5 already, started picking up small parts for a Gordon build, and been itching for a m24a2 as I love cloning but getting board with the ar platform. Hoping to maybe pick up something out of the next batches that come out.
I’m curious how the sound comparison is between the three, obviously a lot of variables being the barrel lengths, bolt to semi and 5.56 to 7.62. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 12:08:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bimmertech87: Anyone own the trifecta- aem5, Gordon and m24? I hope to own all 3 someday. Have the aem5 already, started picking up small parts for a Gordon build, and been itching for a m24a2 as I love cloning but getting board with the ar platform. Hoping to maybe pick up something out of the next batches that come out. I’m curious how the sound comparison is between the three, obviously a lot of variables being the barrel lengths, bolt to semi and 5.56 to 7.62. Hopefully in the next 4 months I'll have 2 of the 3. I agree about expanding into more then just ARs. I need to learn more about this m24 I think
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Posted: 7/9/2022 1:21:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: Hopefully in the next 4 months I'll have 2 of the 3. I agree about expanding into more then just ARs. I need to learn more about this m24 I think I’ve become bored with the AR the past few years. A bolt gun with an AE can is pure bliss. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2022 2:14:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: I’ve become bored with the AR the past few years. A bolt gun with an AE can is pure bliss. I've got a .264LBC (6.5 Grendel) bolt gun in process. Much more pleasant to shoot than an AR version. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 2:14:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bimmertech87]
[#26]
I shoot my .22’s more than anything else by a landslide but still continue to collect clone stuff. I shoot my mk12.1 every once in a while just because I love shooting with the suppressor. I’d imagine a bolt gun would be pretty sweet. I’ve kicked around the idea of a .223 700 for my aem5 but would rather just build a m24a2. I’d already have parts for it if money wasn’t so tight lately.
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Posted: 7/9/2022 2:42:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Embittered]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: I’ve become bored with the AR the past few years. A bolt gun with an AE can is pure bliss. Is Ron still making custom collars? I have no desire to profile a bolt gun to a skinny SPR profile and my .223 isn’t fat enough for the 0.92” tapered shoulder. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2022 4:17:51 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Embittered: Is Ron still making custom collars? I have no desire to profile a bolt gun to a skinny SPR profile and my .223 isn’t fat enough for the 0.92” tapered shoulder. So... What's the issue? I just had a defiance action with a 223 barrel on it currently, profiled for one of my AEM5. Cost is kinda minimal and like someone else said a bolt 223 with Ron's can is exquisite. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2022 4:22:54 PM EDT
[#29]
All you have to do is turn the barrel down just enough to create a shoulder for a collar. Measure your barrel at 3.02 behind the muzzle and I can make you a collar that's .010 smaller. Just take a small clearance cut 2.53" back and then machine the area between 2.53 and 3.02 to the size of the collar ID. (for an AEM5).
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Posted: 7/9/2022 5:24:06 PM EDT
[#30]
 -Mike |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 5:53:33 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Embittered: Is Ron still making custom collars? I have no desire to profile a bolt gun to a skinny SPR profile and my .223 isn’t fat enough for the 0.92” tapered shoulder. Ron has made me a collar and Adco just chopped, threaded, contoured and made a collar for another build. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 7:17:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Embittered]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Texas97: So... What's the issue? I just had a defiance action with a 223 barrel on it currently, profiled for one of my AEM5. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Texas97: So... What's the issue? I just had a defiance action with a 223 barrel on it currently, profiled for one of my AEM5. .749 is a little small for my taste on a bolt gun. Originally Posted By k31user: All you have to do is turn the barrel down just enough to create a shoulder for a collar. Measure your barrel at 3.02 behind the muzzle and I can make you a collar that's .010 smaller. Just take a small clearance cut 2.53" back and then machine the area between 2.53 and 3.02 to the size of the collar ID. (for an AEM5). It’s about .86”, but it’s some kind of taper profile. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2022 7:56:27 PM EDT
[#33]
Probably use a .850 ID Remington collar
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Posted: 7/9/2022 8:04:27 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: Probably use a .850 ID Remington collar You got a print or can you pass on what machining needs to be done to accommodate this collar? My barrel is AT the smith right now I may be able to add the machining to the order. |
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Posted: 7/10/2022 11:03:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Looking to start a bolt gun with a m24 suppressor when the next batch is ready. What kind of barrels are you guys using that’s thick enough to be contoured for the can? What’s the minimum diameter the barrel needs to be to be contoured and still have enough meat on the bone? Brand new to these bolt guns so any help or direction would be much appreciated.
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Posted: 7/10/2022 11:08:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shlouf]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Looking to start a bolt gun with a m24 suppressor when the next batch is ready. What kind of barrels are you guys using that’s thick enough to be contoured for the can? What’s the minimum diameter the barrel needs to be to be contoured and still have enough meat on the bone? Brand new to these bolt guns so any help or direction would be much appreciated. http://aesuppressors.com/images/2230detail.jpg an extra 2" of reflex for the m24 can depends on how long of a barrel you want for how heavy of a contour you will need |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 5:49:44 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shlouf: http://aesuppressors.com/images/2230detail.jpg an extra 2" of reflex for the m24 can depends on how long of a barrel you want for how heavy of a contour you will need Was planning on a 24” barrel. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 10:36:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Embittered]
[#38]
Bartlein Heavy Palma or any Target/Straight Taper contour other than #5 gets you the ~0.920” after the 20 degree taper.
Bartlein contours |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 10:50:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shlouf]
[#39]
Yeah, you will need a pretty heavy contour to run it at 24"
M24 contour will obviously work as well also, pic thread 
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Posted: 7/11/2022 1:46:10 PM EDT
[#40]
@k31user I sent you a PM
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Posted: 7/11/2022 2:11:13 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Embittered: Bartlein Heavy Palma or any Target/Straight Taper contour other than #5 gets you the ~0.920” after the 20 degree taper. Bartlein contours “Current lead time are 12-14 months”. Damn it. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 2:44:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Embittered]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: “Current lead time are 12-14 months”. Damn it. @goloud What exactly are you looking for? A Bartlein M24 blank in .30 cal will not be hard to find: http://www.bugholes.com/product-p/x-30cal-10tw-ss-m24-27.htm, https://www.bulletcentral.com/product/bartlein-barrel-ss-308-cal-b14-m24-10-twist-29-blank-5r/ You'll need to send your action and the blank to a smith if you're working off a factory R700 action. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 2:46:18 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: “Current lead time are 12-14 months”. Damn it. Idk what you're planning on building, but bugholes usually has a pretty decent stock of Bartlein tubes. Got my m24 barrel from them and it shipped next day. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 3:25:53 PM EDT
[#44]
From this last weekend:
4 5-shot groups letting the rifle cool for a few minutes and taking the can off and putting it back on in between each string. It sounds too good suppressed I didn't shoot any without the can to see what the POI shift was with vs. w/o  
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Posted: 7/11/2022 6:29:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Embittered: @goloud What exactly are you looking for? A Bartlein M24 blank in .30 cal will not be hard to find: http://www.bugholes.com/product-p/x-30cal-10tw-ss-m24-27.htm, https://www.bulletcentral.com/product/bartlein-barrel-ss-308-cal-b14-m24-10-twist-29-blank-5r/ You'll need to send your action and the blank to a smith if you're working off a factory R700 action. That barrel is only .900 @ 26" continued taper but says it’s a m24 barrel…I’m confused. Shouldn’t it be at least .920 if it were a m24 barrel? @k31user also sent you an email. Thanks! |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 6:29:02 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Embittered: @goloud What exactly are you looking for? A Bartlein M24 blank in .30 cal will not be hard to find: http://www.bugholes.com/product-p/x-30cal-10tw-ss-m24-27.htm, https://www.bulletcentral.com/product/bartlein-barrel-ss-308-cal-b14-m24-10-twist-29-blank-5r/ You'll need to send your action and the blank to a smith if you're working off a factory R700 action. Sweet! Thanks. I rescind my outrage. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 6:31:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: That barrel is only .900 @ 26" continued taper but says it’s a m24 barrel…I’m confused. Shouldn’t it be at least .920 if it were a m24 barrel? @k31user also sent you an email. Thanks! I think it tapers down to .900 at 26”. So cutting it at 18-22” will be at least .920”. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 6:32:01 PM EDT
[#48]
Bugholes provided me a nice barrel but they totally missed the barrel profile taper dimension.
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Posted: 7/11/2022 6:50:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: I think it tapers down to .900 at 26”. So cutting it at 18-22” will be at least .920”. Ah, that makes sense. I was planning on going 24" like an m24 but going to use a different chassis. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 6:57:58 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Bugholes provided me a nice barrel but they totally missed the barrel profile taper dimension. Still good enough for the collarless contour? |
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