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Posted: 10/2/2023 12:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: There are also hard mounting points/eyelets aren’t there? I hate to NOT use the QD points but if they’re questionable… Just ran around the woods this weekend with a Magpul MS4 dual QD sling and had absolutely no issues, I was using all the QD mounts on the left side of the gun (right hand shooter) to get a feel for how I want to carry it, so switched them in and out and often, no issues Also my VHS-2 is a first import model 16”, old safety, etc |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 2:43:19 PM EDT
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I have had trouble with other rifles/forends/stocks (some big name and others not) and would try different QD swivels. QD seems to mean it will QD on you when you don't want it to - the second time my 6920 ended up in a ditch I looped the rear of the sling into the stock slot and threw the QD swivel into a field of beans.
It may have been the various manufacturers of swivels or the cups? I gave up. I just use the sling slots on stocks and the Magpul MLok swivel for forends that have MLok or Blue Force Gear fixed loop for pic rail. https://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-industries-m-lok-gi-1-25-sling-swivel-black-mag809-blk.html |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 9:42:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Manticore_Arms]
[#3]
There actually is no set TDP or industry standard for QD swivels or cups on the dimensions, so it occasionally is possible to find a QD swivel that will pop out of a cup.
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Posted: 10/3/2023 11:12:28 AM EDT
[#4]
Finally got to shoot mine after debating for months on selling it.
really like it.. hope aftermarket support picks up things like triggers. |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 5:11:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: There actually is no set TDP or industry standard for QD swivels or cups on the dimensions, so it occasionally is possible to find a QD swivel that will pop out of a cup. Sven Manticore Arms Ok, so that's why some QD sockets actually fit the KeyMod slots. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2023 11:50:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kisara: That's my biggest gripe with the gun, even more so than the safety or trigger. I've tried a Ferro Slinger, BFG Vickers, and a BFG single point that has a little bungee. I'm not a fan of single points but it's the only sling that isn't constantly getting twisted up. I'll have to try your epoxy trick. What brand did you use, got any photos of the socket after the modification? Sorry for the late reply, forgot to check in here. I can get pictures in a bit, but you just use JB weld and with a toothpick, fill the groove in a cross pattern. The idea, again, is to prevent the ball bearings of the swivel itself from being able to continue past the epoxy. Note: check your swivel and be sure that you're epoxying in places that the ball bearings won't be resting when slung. Try to fill the groove in 4 places, but don't made it too wide. Also use the toothpick to sweep the inside afterwards so that it isn't poking up too high. |
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Posted: 10/5/2023 7:04:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OlympicArmsFan: @Mrgunsngear if you had to choose one bullpup to go to war with, what one would it be? I don't think I would pick the Hellion. I think I would grab my x95 or my Aug. Currently - the Hellion |
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Posted: 10/5/2023 7:25:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KnightSchneider]
[#8]
Was able to get back to the range with a little more time.
6 shot group that is probably .9” at 100 yds with mk262. Shot an inch group with 75 gr hornady. This rifle is a shooter.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/5/2023 8:37:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mrgunsngear: Currently - the Hellion Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mrgunsngear: Originally Posted By OlympicArmsFan: @Mrgunsngear if you had to choose one bullpup to go to war with, what one would it be? I don't think I would pick the Hellion. I think I would grab my x95 or my Aug. Currently - the Hellion @Mrgunsngear Serious question, why the Hellion over the Aug or X95? Thx! |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/5/2023 9:31:08 PM EDT
[#10]
Are there any known issues with these? I have a friend saying they come back in for work at his shop a lot, but not a peep of complaints on here. Just curious.
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Posted: 10/5/2023 9:40:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: Was able to get back to the range with a little more time. 6 shot group that is probably .9" at 100 yds with mk262. Shot an inch group with 75 gr hornady. This rifle is a shooter.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20662/IMG_6598_jpeg-2979863.JPG @KnightSchneider what length barrel do you have? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/5/2023 9:43:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Are there any known issues with these? I have a friend saying they come back in for work at his shop a lot, but not a peep of complaints on here. Just curious. I haven't really heard of any issues with these. They are pretty well vetted. As for your friend, I'm not really sure what someone would be bringing it into a shop for when if there was an actual problem, you would send it to the manufacturer. Maybe he's talking about custom work or something? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/5/2023 9:45:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: I haven't really heard of any issues with these. They are pretty well vetted. As for your friend, I'm not really sure what someone would be bringing it into a shop for when if there was an actual problem, you would send it to the manufacturer. Maybe he's talking about custom work or something? He said they break, but it's literally the only time I've ever heard of one of these breaking. |
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Posted: 10/5/2023 11:07:44 PM EDT
[#14]
@right_rudder
That picture was a 20” barrel. I had an accupoint 1-4 on it. I’m going to get something like 2.5-10 and make this my dmr. I put an optic on my 16” and got similar accuracy results. They are impressive rifles…I was hesitant, but have been won over. I’m curious to hear what is breaking on them…I did a lot of scouring of the net and couldn’t come up with much for known issues with the design. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 8:33:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Default-Gateway]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: He said they break, but it's literally the only time I've ever heard of one of these breaking. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Originally Posted By Scrapple: I haven't really heard of any issues with these. They are pretty well vetted. As for your friend, I'm not really sure what someone would be bringing it into a shop for when if there was an actual problem, you would send it to the manufacturer. Maybe he's talking about custom work or something? He said they break, but it's literally the only time I've ever heard of one of these breaking. They break is kinda a blanket statement. Be interesting to ask what breaks.Wonder if the customers are taking them apart and not reassembling them correctly but they are pretty simple. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 10:34:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Default-Gateway: They break is kinda a blanket statement. Be interesting to ask what breaks.Wonder if the customers are taking them apart and not reassembling them correctly but they are pretty simple. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Default-Gateway: Originally Posted By JK-919: Originally Posted By Scrapple: I haven't really heard of any issues with these. They are pretty well vetted. As for your friend, I'm not really sure what someone would be bringing it into a shop for when if there was an actual problem, you would send it to the manufacturer. Maybe he's talking about custom work or something? He said they break, but it's literally the only time I've ever heard of one of these breaking. They break is kinda a blanket statement. Be interesting to ask what breaks.Wonder if the customers are taking them apart and not reassembling them correctly but they are pretty simple. It is possible to get the ejector rod mislocated under the bolt carrier instead of in its proper hole in the bolt carrier when putting the buttplate back on. If you do that, the gun seems OK until you try to charge it. Did it once myself the very first time, then just went to keep the bolt carrier pulled back when reassembling to make sure the ejector rod went in the correct hole. My guess is user induced errors like that, I haven't seen or heard of a single part actually breaking on these guns. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 10:40:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: @right_rudder That picture was a 20" barrel. I had an accupoint 1-4 on it. I'm going to get something like 2.5-10 and make this my dmr. I put an optic on my 16" and got similar accuracy results. They are impressive rifles I was hesitant, but have been won over. I'm curious to hear what is breaking on them I did a lot of scouring of the net and couldn't come up with much for known issues with the design. A DMR setup is something I haven't considered but makes sense. I have the 16" version and just now getting around to shooting it but am interested in possibly using it in that roll. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 11:54:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Default-Gateway: They break is kinda a blanket statement. Be interesting to ask what breaks.Wonder if the customers are taking them apart and not reassembling them correctly but they are pretty simple. I watched an expert, at a LGS, try to pull the sights/carry handle/rail off before removing the bolt carrier. I thought he was going to break the charging handle, but somehow he did not. If it was anyone other than this jack wagon, I would have said something. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: There actually is no set TDP or industry standard for QD swivels or cups on the dimensions, so it occasionally is possible to find a QD swivel that will pop out of a cup. Sven Manticore Arms  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:51:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparky923: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: There actually is no set TDP or industry standard for QD swivels or cups on the dimensions, so it occasionally is possible to find a QD swivel that will pop out of a cup. Sven Manticore Arms /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-lol-818.gif |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 6:21:57 PM EDT
[#21]
I’m ready to pull the trigger on one of these but I can’t find anywhere that has the new/updated model with the new safety in stock.
I don’t want to buy online because there’s no guarantee of which version it’ll be. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 6:31:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: I’m ready to pull the trigger on one of these but I can’t find anywhere that has the new/updated model with the new safety in stock. I don’t want to buy online because there’s no guarantee of which version it’ll be. I'd assume all of the 18" and 20" guns will have the newer version. For the 16", you may have some luck if it was a smaller retailer that has it in stock and can check vs one of the many drop-shippers. |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 6:50:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: I'd assume all of the 18" and 20" guns will have the newer version. For the 16", you may have some luck if it was a smaller retailer that has it in stock and can check vs one of the many drop-shippers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: Originally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: I’m ready to pull the trigger on one of these but I can’t find anywhere that has the new/updated model with the new safety in stock. I don’t want to buy online because there’s no guarantee of which version it’ll be. I'd assume all of the 18" and 20" guns will have the newer version. For the 16", you may have some luck if it was a smaller retailer that has it in stock and can check vs one of the many drop-shippers. Yeah I’d prefer the 16 though |
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Posted: 10/8/2023 2:02:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MiG-21]
[#24]
For those who don’t like the LOP or awkward selector on the VHS, a standard A1 or A2 pistol grip is a bigger improvement than you would think over the OEM grip. The greater sweep back helps a good bit with both, at least for me.
 Attached FileI really like this rifle. A lot. |
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Posted: 10/8/2023 9:58:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiG-21: For those who don’t like the LOP or awkward selector on the VHS, a standard A1 or A2 pistol grip is a bigger improvement than you would think over the OEM grip. The greater sweep back helps a good bit with both, at least for me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6134_jpeg-2982634.JPG I really like this rifle. A lot. I wound up not liking the A1/A2 grip on the VHS-2 because of the increased angle, and reduced trigger reach. I instead wanted a grip that has a more vertical angle, but also a backstrap that increases trigger reach without lowering the hand. In this case, the Tango Down BG18 was pretty much the perfect grip, and not only kept the trigger reach workable, but also provided better access to the safety. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 6:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: @Mrgunsngear Serious question, why the Hellion over the Aug or X95? Thx! For all the reasons discussed in my review. The others are good; I just think the VHS is better. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:46:33 AM EDT
[#27]
Please someone trigger upgrade lol.
I'll also add to the earlier statements about accuracy - my Hellion is SOLIDLY sub-moa. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 2:56:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mrgunsngear: For all the reasons discussed in my review. The others are good; I just think the VHS is better. I fixing to go watch your review. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 5:47:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mrgunsngear: For all the reasons discussed in my review. The others are good; I just think the VHS is better. |
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Posted: 10/11/2023 2:29:56 AM EDT
[#30]
Side by side pics make me happy I have the 16".
I cant put my finger on the why but the longer barrel just looks goofy to me. |
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Posted: 10/11/2023 8:21:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Karter14171]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm missing an optic but have everything else set up for it.. can't believe I'm saying this about a bullpup but it's a close call between it and my MCX SBR. I bought an 11" MCX and hellion around the same time and I'm in the same boat. Both great guns but close call. At the very least the hellion doesn't gas me out every time I shoot it suppressed like the MCX does. |
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Posted: 10/11/2023 1:59:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: I bought an 11" MCX and hellion around the same time and I'm in the same boat. Both great guns but close call. At the very least the hellion doesn't gas me out every time I shoot it suppressed like the MCX does. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:16:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Are there any known issues with these? I have a friend saying they come back in for work at his shop a lot, but not a peep of complaints on here. Just curious. There is literally nothing your friends shop can do to “fix” issues on these at the moment. If there are any issues … it goes to the mothership … No issues here. It is one of the most vetted modern bullpup available right now … |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 11:23:42 AM EDT
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Interesting how many of us have both the MCX and a Hellion.
 I like my MCX shooting 5.56, but I love it shooting 300blk. Basically the only time I swap it over to 5.56 is for a class or competition to save on ammo. Other than that this is my current favorite set up for it: 6.75” 300blk barrel, CGS Hyperion under a 12” SD rail. Hellion is much newer to me, but liking it so far. Good suppressor host, etc. Would love to use it for a run and gun and really shake it out. I should probably also rattle can it. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 4:55:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Interesting how many of us have both the MCX and a Hellion. https://i.imgur.com/MW5UZLj.jpg I like my MCX shooting 5.56, but I love it shooting 300blk. Basically the only time I swap it over to 5.56 is for a class or competition to save on ammo. Other than that this is my current favorite set up for it: 6.75” 300blk barrel, CGS Hyperion under a 12” SD rail. Hellion is much newer to me, but liking it so far. Good suppressor host, etc. Would love to use it for a run and gun and really shake it out. I should probably also rattle can it. How's the gas on the 6.75 suppressed? I'm thinking about doing the exact same thing you did. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 2:51:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GrimesSU]
[#36]
The B&T grip feels and looks really good on the Hellion. Looks similar to the original VHS2 grip.
Good luck finding one though, except on the secondary market. Also attached an aluminum pic rail to the bottom of mine like the original VHS2, and put on a 'AC-Unity, Forward Grip for Picatinny, Type 2' from Robert RTG. https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/FORWARD-GRIP-FOR-PICATINNY-TYPE-2-BLACK-6p10884.htm Picture of the B&T grip courtesy of Misha. 
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Posted: 10/17/2023 1:11:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pair_of_ACES]
[#37]
I picked one of these up locally for $1540 unfired. I was torn between the X95 and the VHS but for that price I’ll start here.
I think the first course of action is the replace the stupid BCM grip with a MIAD or other rearward-swept grip. I’ve got big hands so the safety lever fits me fine. This thing will take a little getting used to but it’s not as bad as people love to complain about. After selling off my POS Fs2000 years ago I swore off bullpups but I’ve been sucked back in… 
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Posted: 10/17/2023 1:33:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: I picked one of these up locally for $1540 unfired. I was torn between the X95 and the VHS but for that price I’ll start here. I think the first course of action is the replace the stupid BCM grip with a MIAD or other rearward-swept grip. I’ve got big hands so the safety lever fits me fine. This thing will take a little getting used to but it’s not as bad as people love to complain about. After selling off my POS Fs2000 years ago I swore off bullpups but I’ve been sucked back in… https://i.ibb.co/G7yZX9d/0-D3-ED5-C4-F691-4-AC3-AD32-0-FBE9-AAC8-F7-F.jpg We expect a range report soonest!  |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 2:29:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Default-Gateway]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: I picked one of these up locally for $1540 unfired. I was torn between the X95 and the VHS but for that price I’ll start here. I think the first course of action is the replace the stupid BCM grip with a MIAD or other rearward-swept grip. I’ve got big hands so the safety lever fits me fine. This thing will take a little getting used to but it’s not as bad as people love to complain about. After selling off my POS Fs2000 years ago I swore off bullpups but I’ve been sucked back in… https://i.ibb.co/G7yZX9d/0-D3-ED5-C4-F691-4-AC3-AD32-0-FBE9-AAC8-F7-F.jpg I have a MIAD with the large backstrap on mine. It works very well for my xl-xxl hands. Put another 300 rnds through it over the weekend with a Wolfman hanging off the front. It shoots super smooth and balances very well suppressed. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 4:20:23 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: How's the gas on the 6.75 suppressed? I'm thinking about doing the exact same thing you did. Sorry just saw this. With that can, not bad at all. Could tame it even more with the vented end cap I’ve tried that Micro30 on it as well and that can is little more gassy |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2023 9:11:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Much better with the MOE grip. Hard to believe this thing is the same length as an 8 inch SBR
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Posted: 10/17/2023 9:26:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: Much better with the MOE grip. Hard to believe this thing is the same length as an 8 inch SBR https://i.ibb.co/bKdDvkd/02-FED64-A-CBF7-422-E-A6-B8-C2-BE09800547.jpg Your pic really illustrates the LOP. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 11:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Your pic really illustrates the LOP. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: Much better with the MOE grip. Hard to believe this thing is the same length as an 8 inch SBR https://i.ibb.co/bKdDvkd/02-FED64-A-CBF7-422-E-A6-B8-C2-BE09800547.jpg Your pic really illustrates the LOP. And that’s what’s weird, it feels *different* but it certainly doesn’t feel as awkward as it looks like it should. I’d love to see a picture of all the mainstream bullpups side by side to compare LOP |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 8:18:48 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mrgunsngear: Currently - the Hellion Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mrgunsngear: Originally Posted By OlympicArmsFan: @Mrgunsngear if you had to choose one bullpup to go to war with, what one would it be? I don't think I would pick the Hellion. I think I would grab my x95 or my Aug. Currently - the Hellion I agree with @Mrgunsngear ... currently the Hellion is the top choice for me as well and I've touched every bullpup ... |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 10:52:55 AM EDT
[#45]
I really wish there was some kind of thin plastic plate with heavy duty adhesive on the back that could be engraved with the correct VHS2 markings and stuck over the gay ‘Hellion’ moniker
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Posted: 10/18/2023 10:59:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: I really wish there was some kind of thin plastic plate with heavy duty adhesive on the back that could be engraved with the correct VHS2 markings and stuck over the gay ‘Hellion’ moniker You and me both. I'd buy one. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 10:27:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Your pic really illustrates the LOP. Traditional guns (especially bolt and lever guns) have the trigger and the rear of the optic rail or sights in direct relation to each other. As you can see the rear of the bullpup's rail/sights sits considerably further back than the trigger. For me, that's why the long LOP is a non-issue. LOP doesn't have the same consequences on a bullpup as it does on a traditional gun. A half dozen people of all shapes and sizes have shot my VHS-2. Nobody said anything about the LOP, only the "strange" location of the magazine and the safety being different than an AR. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 11:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uys: Traditional guns (especially bolt and lever guns) have the trigger and the rear of the optic rail or sights in direct relation to each other. As you can see the rear of the bullpup's rail/sights sits considerably further back than the trigger. For me, that's why the long LOP is a non-issue. LOP doesn't have the same consequences on a bullpup as it does on a traditional gun. A half dozen people of all shapes and sizes have shot my VHS-2. Nobody said anything about the LOP, only the "strange" location of the magazine and the safety being different than an AR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uys: Originally Posted By backbencher: Your pic really illustrates the LOP. Traditional guns (especially bolt and lever guns) have the trigger and the rear of the optic rail or sights in direct relation to each other. As you can see the rear of the bullpup's rail/sights sits considerably further back than the trigger. For me, that's why the long LOP is a non-issue. LOP doesn't have the same consequences on a bullpup as it does on a traditional gun. A half dozen people of all shapes and sizes have shot my VHS-2. Nobody said anything about the LOP, only the "strange" location of the magazine and the safety being different than an AR.  Until the adoption of peep sights, the most common long gun sight was an open U notch forward of the chamber.Length of Pull refers to the difference from the butt of the gun to the trigger, and I'm not familiar w/ a bullpup that has a traditional LOP, other than the semi-bullpups like the Uzi & FG-42. I was looking for some comparison pics of some other bullpups - does the PS-90 have a shorter LOP than some others? Seems like the KelTec RDB might have a relatively short LOP as well. Yes, the sights are properly positioned, but the dominant arm loses some support leverage b/c it's extended out so far. Not a criticism of the VHS, just a curiosity of bullpups in general. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 10:00:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: And that’s what’s weird, it feels *different* but it certainly doesn’t feel as awkward as it looks like it should. I’d love to see a picture of all the mainstream bullpups side by side to compare LOP Not meaning to thread slide, but for starters here's an X95 & RDB:  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 11:02:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
[#50]
I brought it back No biggie lol.LOP on the RDB and RFB is the same.
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