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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:36:08 PM EST
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"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt." -Tolkien
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:37:31 PM EST
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Has any pointed out yet that this series tacitly makes ethnic cleansing in the LOTR universe canonical?
In the prequels, boundless black elves, black dwarves, black people. In the trilogy, everybody is White. Where did all the blacks go? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:44:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has any pointed out yet that this series tacitly makes ethnic cleansing in the LOTR universe canonical? In the prequels, boundless black elves, black dwarves, black people. In the trilogy, everybody is White. Where did all the blacks go? Same place gandalf did? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:48:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gonna be a dumpster fire most likely. Tolkien would be ashamed. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:50:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They’re going to lose a fuckton of money on this. You'd hope but I kind of doubt it. Something tells me the target demo for this isn't people who read |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:50:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They will blame it on racist white men. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gonna fail and they will question why. Institutional racism. Every white person is a racist. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:53:54 PM EST
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What can we say about private enterprise except “good luck with that.” Their capital, their investment, their outcome, positive or negative.
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:56:40 PM EST
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Black Tolkien fan responds.
 Black Elves Dwarves In Lord of The Rings Amazon? | Lord Of The Rings Amazon Posters Rings Of Power |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 1:01:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, Feanor is described as raven-haired with piercingly bright eyes and his sons are all dark-haired or redheads, with most of them having grey eyes. And there are different elves, the Noldor, Sindar, and Teleri who have different general characteristics. There is plenty of room for diversity in a story that more accurately tracks the books; but of course, Amazon didn’t do that. Which tells you how much interest they have in fidelity to the original stories. Exactly. Just like Wheel of Divirsity - could have made each city/tribe a different race if they wanted Diveristy. David Stuart hits a great point about adaptation - when the producers can't even get the small details right (example: hair color) then why would expect them to get the big details and actual point.  The Problems with Letting Hollywood Adapt Books (and other media) They are just using "Lord of the Rings" name to market some crap SJW fantasy TV show. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 1:10:18 PM EST
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Posted: 2/14/2022 1:10:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryExcept there are historical accounts of Western Samurai... |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 1:18:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryHe’s not wrong… |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 1:19:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except there are historical accounts of Western Samurai... Yes we've all seen the documentary with Tom Cruise |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 1:54:21 PM EST
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:01:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section  I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:07:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section Yes they are. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:10:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. I’m not exactly sure, but I think it’s dislikes that cannot be seen. Comments are seen but can be hidden manually by the creator of the video. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:12:34 PM EST
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They shouldn't have any women playing dwarves.
Should be only dudes, beards and all. Quoted: Quoted: Diversity means less White people. It is antiwhite propaganda created specifically because it is a piece of European artwork that appeals to White people who see in the work a reflection of the sufferings of their own nations under a Sauron like corruption. By in large all this anti white propaganda is driven by white people. It’s quite interesting. 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:21:57 PM EST
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:28:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryDude makes some really good points. Kind of bummed. I really wanted this to be good. Hopefully, some of that stuff aside, the story will be good. (IE as Tolkien intended) |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:36:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt." -Tolkien  Tolkien was brilliant, but that’s a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn’t believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum… |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:39:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tolkien was brilliant, but that’s a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn’t believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.
Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum… It's actually a perfect quote in that regard. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:39:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not exactly sure, but I think it’s dislikes that cannot be seen. Comments are seen but can be hidden manually by the creator of the video. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. I’m not exactly sure, but I think it’s dislikes that cannot be seen. Comments are seen but can be hidden manually by the creator of the video. The dislikes can still be seen since they are technically still there. It's just that it takes an extra step to see them. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:41:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not exactly sure, but I think it’s dislikes that cannot be seen. Comments are seen but can be hidden manually by the creator of the video. You can get a plug in that shows dislikes |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:43:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tolkien was brilliant, but that's a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn't believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt." -Tolkien Tolkien was brilliant, but that's a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn't believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum Wow, you are so wrong. Have you ever read the Silmarillion or the LotR appendices? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:47:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, you are so wrong. Have you ever read the Silmarillion or the LotR appendices? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt." -Tolkien Tolkien was brilliant, but that's a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn't believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum Wow, you are so wrong. Have you ever read the Silmarillion or the LotR appendices? No. Still, IRL, so many things were created by evil. It doesn't hold water. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:49:01 PM EST
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:50:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not exactly sure, but I think it's dislikes that cannot be seen. Comments are seen but can be hidden manually by the creator of the video. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:52:08 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tolkien was brilliant, but that’s a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn’t believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt." -Tolkien Tolkien was brilliant, but that’s a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn’t believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum… Everything woke turns to shit. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 2:53:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Still, IRL, so many things were created by evil. It doesn't hold water. It's a Tolkien quote and consistent with what his works showed and apparently what he believed. Your examples are ridiculous- a ww2 fighter plane? Maybe evil corrupted an airplane into that, just like how it turned an innocent soccer stadium into the roman Colosseum. If we believe those things are somehow evil. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 3:22:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has any pointed out yet that this series tacitly makes ethnic cleansing in the LOTR universe canonical? In the prequels, boundless black elves, black dwarves, black people. In the trilogy, everybody is White. Where did all the blacks go? |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 4:27:26 PM EST
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Posted: 2/14/2022 4:33:00 PM EST
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:45:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Still, IRL, so many things were created by evil. It doesn't hold water. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt." -Tolkien Tolkien was brilliant, but that's a stupid quote. Obviously, he didn't believe it. His Rings of power were made by evil, for evil.Plus, IRL, V1, V2 , FW-190 etc, etc, etc, etc. The Roman Colosseum Wow, you are so wrong. Have you ever read the Silmarillion or the LotR appendices? No. Still, IRL, so many things were created by evil. It doesn't hold water. 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:50:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section Seems they managed to un-ratio themselves. +70 to -36 atm. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 6:58:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. You can still see the comments. They're getting slammed in what looks to be every language on the planet. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:17:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can still see the comments. They're getting slammed in what looks to be every language on the planet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. You can still see the comments. They're getting slammed in what looks to be every language on the planet. Amazon has been deleting some of the “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made” comments. 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:17:58 PM EST
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Trailer was not much to base an opinion on
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:19:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Galadriel’s world is a raging sea. Far from the wise, ethereal elven queen that Cate Blanchett brought to Peter Jackson’s acclaimed films, the Galadriel played by Morfydd Clark in Amazon’s upcoming series The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power is thousands of years younger, as angry and brash as she is clever, and certain that evil is looming closer than anyone realizes. By episode two, her warnings set her adrift, literally and figuratively, until she’s struggling for survival on a raft in the storm-swept Sundering Seas alongside a mortal castaway named Halbrand (Charlie Vickers), who is a new character introduced in the show. Galadriel is fighting for the future; Halbrand is running from the past. Their entwined destinies are just two of the stories woven together for a TV series that, if it works, could become a global phenomenon. If it falls short, it could become a cautionary tale for anyone who, to quote J.R.R. Tolkien, delves too greedily and too deep. Just as Tolkien entrusted his quest to Frodo Baggins and Samwise Gamgee, Amazon chose two unlikely newcomers. McKay and Payne are high school friends from northern Virginia who have been writing in Hollywood together for 13 years. The Rings of Power is their first credited IMDB listing. They know—it’s astounding to them too. “We’ve worked on so many projects with so many awesome and exciting people that never got made or worked on things that did get made and we didn’t get credit,” says McKay. “We were a little bit of a dark horse. And Amazon talked to absolutely everybody—whoever had any idea for Lord of the Rings.” Adds Payne: “We were passionate about the material and had a take that matched Amazon’s appetites and ambition.” They also apparently had a significant champion in J.J. Abrams, who knew them from their writing on a Star Trek movie and reportedly sang their praises. There was one leak in 2019 that, however innocuous, worried some of those watching from afar. The show’s resident Tolkien scholar—a widely respected academic named Tom Shippey—gave an apparently unsanctioned interview to a German fan site that July, opining on what the show could and could not explore. Not long after that, Shippey was no longer involved with the series. Both he and the showrunners decline to say what exactly happened, but the obvious assumption was made by fans. “It seems like the NDA is basically ‘If you tell anyone, we can put you through a wood chipper,’?” says Drout, the Tolkien professor. Amazon no longer shares the names of its scholars. After news broke that Amazon had hired an intimacy coordinator for its New Zealand set, some fans feared that the production might have lost sight of what makes Tolkien Tolkien. “My worry would be if it becomes a Game of Thrones in the Second Age,” says Dimitra Fimi, a Tolkien scholar and lecturer at the University of Glasgow. “That wouldn’t be what one would associate with Tolkien’s vision. It would also be derivative.” So will there be Westerosi levels of violence and sex in Amazon’s Middle-earth? In short, no. McKay says the goal was “to make a show for everyone, for kids who are 11, 12, and 13, even though sometimes they might have to pull the blanket up over their eyes if it’s a little too scary. We talked about the tone in Tolkien’s books. This is material that is sometimes scary—and sometimes very intense, sometimes quite political, sometimes quite sophisticated—but it’s also heartwarming and life-affirming and optimistic. It’s about friendship and it’s about brotherhood and underdogs overcoming great darkness.” Translation: We're going to go pg-13 and push it as close to r-rated as we possibly can. Speaking of Sauron, the villain’s presence is a major factor throughout the Second Age, culminating in his resurrection as a tyrant. As the show begins, there are only hints of the danger to come. Some see them clearly; others don’t necessarily want to. Bayona drew from his memories growing up in Spain, a country still recovering from a civil war decades before he was born. “We had a dictatorship for 40 years, so you notice the repercussions of war and the shadow of the past,” he says, noting that “Shadow of the Past” is in fact the title of the first episode. “I think this is all about the repercussions of war. There is an idea that feels very faithful to Tolkien, which is intuition. Galadriel has an intuition that things are not fixed, and there is still something lurking.” In the novels, the aforementioned things take place over thousands of years, but Payne and McKay have compressed events into a single point in time. It is their biggest deviation from the text, and they know it’s a big swing. “We talked with the Tolkien estate,” says Payne. “If you are true to the exact letter of the law, you are going to be telling a story in which your human characters are dying off every season because you’re jumping 200 years in time, and then you’re not meeting really big, important canon characters until season four. Look, there might be some fans who want us to do a documentary of Middle-earth, but we’re going to tell one story that unites all these things.” There it is. The acorn seed that will grow into the titanic oak tree of changes, changes, everywhere, and not for good reasons, not for story, definitely not to bring the book to visual format. https://archive.is/20220210193532/https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/amazon-the-rings-of-power-series-first-look It gets tiring to see this repeat over and over. Off to get EAC and my cds of the silmarillion so I can listen to it again. Amazon LOTR: “it would take forever to tell the story, there is just so much information we have to condense thousands of years into a much shorter timeframe.” Also, Amazon LOTR: “we created entirely new stories and characters that aren’t even dreamed of in the original story covering thousands of years.” It seems the story is never so long you can’t shoehorn some idiot writers’ edits in. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:23:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd hope but I kind of doubt it. Something tells me the target demo for this isn't people who read Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They’re going to lose a fuckton of money on this. You'd hope but I kind of doubt it. Something tells me the target demo for this isn't people who read Normally I’d agree, but the cost of the show is a little over a billion. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:33:37 PM EST
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The comments are fricken' gold.... They truly are! |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:35:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Just like Wheel of Divirsity - could have made each city/tribe a different race if they wanted Diveristy. David Stuart hits a great point about adaptation - when the producers can't even get the small details right (example: hair color) then why would expect them to get the big details and actual point.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPviqdBB6dY They are just using "Lord of the Rings" name to market some crap SJW fantasy TV show. The thing with “wokefying” stories is it is such a reliable indicator of shitty, check-the-box writing. Nobody would care if they were telling entertaining stories (Witcher, for example). But they’ve used “diversity” as such an aggressive marketing tactic for shit stories that people are starting to subconsciously associate woke with boring/bad. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:44:11 PM EST
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Here's my take on Amazon's perspective.
Amazon is big enough that a $465 million movie is merely a vanity project. Amazon's operating expenses for 12 months ending 3Q 2021 was $429.673 Billion, and $465 million is almost rounding error. Unlike studio movies, there's really no way to calculate ROI with ticket sales since it's included with Prime. Amazon won't care if you don't watch it, or if NOBODY watch it for that matter, it's already baked into the Prime cake. Amazon get some buzz for the LOTR prequel, social credit for wokeness, Uncle Bezo few more lines of hookers and blows. And you OG LOTR plebs can fuck off with your Get Woke Go Broke. As for Tolkien estate? I am sure they like their new boats. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:53:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gonna fail and they will question why. My money will be on right-wing racists |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 7:56:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's my take on Amazon's perspective. Amazon is big enough that a $465 million movie is merely a vanity project. Amazon's operating expenses for 12 months ending 3Q 2021 was $429.673 Billion, and $465 million is almost rounding error. Unlike studio movies, there's really no way to calculate ROI with ticket sales since it's included with Prime. Amazon won't care if you don't watch it, or if NOBODY watch it for that matter, it's already baked into the Prime cake. Amazon get some buzz for the LOTR prequel, social credit for wokeness, Uncle Bezo few more lines of hookers and blows. And you OG LOTR plebs can fuck off with your Get Woke Go Broke. As for Tolkien estate? I am sure they like their new boats.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:15:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing with “wokefying” stories is it is such a reliable indicator of shitty, check-the-box writing. Nobody would care if they were telling entertaining stories (Witcher, for example). But they’ve used “diversity” as such an aggressive marketing tactic for shit stories that people are starting to subconsciously associate woke with boring/bad. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:17:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Witcher is a horrible example actually. The producer is an unabashed SJW and fans were outraged at every casting announcement before the series came out, for the same reasons as here. But it's an entertaining show. How about the HBO Watchmen show? Heard that one was really terrific 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:25:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the insatiable appetite for fantasy content (i.e. GOT, Witcher, Dark Material, Shadow and Bone, etc..), I think this series will be extremely popular. Trash, Ehh, never saw it, trash. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 8:57:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can still see the comments. They're getting slammed in what looks to be every language on the planet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/Screenshot_2022-02-14_135150_png-2279346.JPG They are getting roasted in the comments section I didn't think negative comments were visible any more. I thought only the creator can see them. You can still see the comments. They're getting slammed in what looks to be every language on the planet. There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men bad enough for such treachery. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 9:23:14 PM EST
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Heimdall and a Valkyrie from the log laid by marvel.
 Amazon……..hold my bong…. |
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