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Posted: 1/29/2019 4:00:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryRotate Football 30° counter-clockwise, well, the vent exit, anyway. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 8:31:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/29/2019 8:35:30 AM EDT
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Great.......now that one looks like a ghost gray. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Great.......now that one looks like a ghost gray. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 8:36:18 AM EDT
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How is he going to break this to the kids? Rotate Football 30° counter-clockwise, well, the vent exit, anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
How is he going to break this to the kids? Rotate Football 30° counter-clockwise, well, the vent exit, anyway. It's amazing how just from a little different angle, how different parts can look. Something to share with the students to again to reinforce having multiple references. That last picture does look like an early model, based on some features it seems to be missing. Maybe it changed. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 1:50:03 PM EDT
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I'm afraid it's going to stay the way it is. We'd have to start over completely. The football stays, and the hole will be off a little. It's amazing how just from a little different angle, how different parts can look. Something to share with the students to again to reinforce having multiple references. That last picture does look like an early model, based on some features it seems to be missing. Maybe it changed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is he going to break this to the kids? Rotate Football 30° counter-clockwise, well, the vent exit, anyway. It's amazing how just from a little different angle, how different parts can look. Something to share with the students to again to reinforce having multiple references. That last picture does look like an early model, based on some features it seems to be missing. Maybe it changed. I haven't seen the collors you speak of, all the photos have been troop carrying Blackhawks, not medevac of a specific squadron. It's been hard to find detail on some of these areas. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 2:09:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After you got the wrinkles out, I didn't expect anything else to change, didn't think it needed to (once it was smooth). I didn't understand the grating change, though the new one looks better. You didn't answer if I should help or not, so I decided to be that annoying picky critic. I haven't seen the collors you speak of, all the photos have been troop carrying Blackhawks, not medevac of a specific squadron. It's been hard to find detail on some of these areas. 
Keep helping. It makes the projects far better. 
My Principal used you  as an example of the online help we get through "social media". There is a new draft out of a possible social media policy change.
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Posted: 1/29/2019 2:23:36 PM EDT
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Keep helping. It makes the projects far better.
My Principal used you as an example of the online help we get through "social media". There is a new draft out of a possible social media policy change.Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: After you got the wrinkles out, I didn't expect anything else to change, didn't think it needed to (once it was smooth). I didn't understand the grating change, though the new one looks better. You didn't answer if I should help or not, so I decided to be that annoying picky critic. I haven't seen the collors you speak of, all the photos have been troop carrying Blackhawks, not medevac of a specific squadron. It's been hard to find detail on some of these areas.
Keep helping. It makes the projects far better.
My Principal used you as an example of the online help we get through "social media". There is a new draft out of a possible social media policy change. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 2:57:21 PM EDT
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Here is our medevac gray/green color next to the Marine One green.
We might get some on there soon. 
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:03:07 PM EDT
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Here is our medevac gray/green color next to the Marine One green. We might get some on there soon. https://i.imgur.com/O4YVIJa.jpg When there's colors in the pitcher, please add an official 18% neutral grey, black, and white to the picture by tossing this into the frame so people can adjust their colors to see what you see.  
Usually have model put on as necklace in portrait shoots for first couple shots of each lighting change, then remove to ensure the same correction across the entire batch for continuity. With the card in a digital photo, due to camera's automatic white balance, the color can be many shades off and look "wrong" or "perfect", when it isn't because not everybody is seeing the same thing unless they reference the neutral grey to compare (or auto adjust R, G, B brightness to, they're all equal in neutral grey). Why 18% grey? That's the average value of a properly exposed photograph. If properly converted to black and white, and converted to 1 pixel, it should be 18% grey for most portrait/landscape daytime photos. Flash lighting reproduces daytime. When you get under LED, Fluorescent, or a combination of those with daylight, colors get wonky with no easy way to know which way they should go. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:06:51 PM EDT
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Update 1/29
More added details to the tail rotor. That reference picture was very helpful. 
Students are still working on supports for the landing gear. When these are secured, they will start skinning the sides. 
The "Rocket Sled" to fuselage mating is coming along very well. The skinning is not easy. They are using two layers of watercolor paper to do the last few spots. 
Not sure what the bulb on the front of the nose is, but we were busy sculpting it today. 
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:15:53 PM EDT
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Update 1/29 More added details to the tail rotor. That reference picture was very helpful.
https://i.imgur.com/tzjAQxl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5s1InzI.jpg Students are still working on supports for the landing gear. When these are secured, they will start skinning the sides. https://i.imgur.com/0sA5Eds.jpg The "Rocket Sled" to fuselage mating is coming along very well. The skinning is not easy. They are using two layers of watercolor paper to do the last few spots. https://i.imgur.com/T6mXv1Y.jpg Not sure what the bulb on the front of the nose is, but we were busy sculpting it today. https://i.imgur.com/JBfQEGL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WzlUFd1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6sdJtp5.jpg The ball is their nifty high zoom camera and FLIR ball to see everywhere around them, how we get the cool footage on YouTube. (you can click and zoom to see the two brackets with screws holding the gimbal, which sit in a ring on helo floor allowing it to spin around 360°, then the inner truncated sphere can swivel 180° front to back through bottom arc.) Well, the whole thing is a gimbal mount 
NOT A BLACKHAWK But might take artistic license to make it look closer to this so people can figure out what it is? Just put circular lenses on the ball with the purlish coated glass look. 
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:31:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the watercolor paper lay down easier if you put it on while soaking wet, or does it tear quick? The ball is their nifty high zoom camera and FLIR ball to see everywhere around them, how we get the cool footage on YouTube. (you can click and zoom to see the two brackets with screws holding the gimbal, which sit in a ring on helo floor allowing it to spin around 360°, then the inner truncated sphere can swivel 180° front to back through bottom arc.) Well, the whole thing is a gimbal mount https://i.imgur.com/KdfBgDM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EhCyiVP.jpg NOT A BLACKHAWK But might take artistic license to make it look closer to this so people can figure out what it is? Just put circular lenses on the ball with the purlish coated glass look. https://i.imgur.com/dtQlYDh.jpg The ball is something other than what's pictured. I'll have to see if I can upload a picture of what we are looking at. It looks pretty different, but may be the same piece of hardware.. It's centered on the Coast Guard version. On Marine One, it's off to the left side. 
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:35:35 PM EDT
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May be Navy/USMC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great.......now that one looks like a ghost gray.
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:36:29 PM EDT
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The water color paper does work when water is applied, it just depends on the size and curve to how it behaves. Sometimes they use water spritzed on it, and other times, they just use it dry. The ball is something other than what's pictured. I'll have to see if I can upload a picture of what we are looking at. It looks pretty different, but may be the same piece of hardware.. It's centered on the Coast Guard version. On Marine One, it's off to the left side. https://i.imgur.com/6wbto3j.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hBAwyG2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wwjtaAw.jpg Not exactly this, but I'm guessing something like this, which is on fighters: AN/ALQ-184 ECM Pod Counter sophisticated threats in dense signal environments The ALQ-184 is a self-protect electronic countermeasures (ECM) electronic warfare (EW) pod used on U.S. Air Force tactical aircraft. Its computer-controlled multibeam receivers and mini-TWT amplifiers operate in both receive and transmit modes to selectively direct high power jamming against multiple emitters. The system provides instantaneous RF signal processing that is wide open in angle and frequency. Features such as a high sensitivity multibeam receiver, continuous wave, pulse and pulse Doppler allow a 100 percent probability of threat detection. The ALQ-184 increases effective radiated power, reduces countermeasure response time and improves reliability, maintainability and system availability over all previous U.S. Air Force self-protect pods and is available in two- and three-band configurations. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:47:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That last picture does look like an early model, based on some features it seems to be missing. Maybe it changed. Looks to be in the proper orientation here! 
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:53:27 PM EDT
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Couple more for you to ponder.
 
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Posted: 1/29/2019 3:54:33 PM EDT
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Your nose bulb is probably an AN-APQ-174 radar. That's what is in that position on the MH 60K.
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Posted: 1/29/2019 4:30:53 PM EDT
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ARFCOM, Meet your flight crew. They will be here Thursday for orientation and uniform fitting. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 7:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the watercolor paper lay down easier if you put it on while soaking wet, or does it tear quick? The ball is their nifty high zoom camera and FLIR ball to see everywhere around them, how we get the cool footage on YouTube. (you can click and zoom to see the two brackets with screws holding the gimbal, which sit in a ring on helo floor allowing it to spin around 360°, then the inner truncated sphere can swivel 180° front to back through bottom arc.) Well, the whole thing is a gimbal mount https://i.imgur.com/KdfBgDM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EhCyiVP.jpg NOT A BLACKHAWK But might take artistic license to make it look closer to this so people can figure out what it is? Just put circular lenses on the ball with the purlish coated glass look. https://i.imgur.com/dtQlYDh.jpg |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 7:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryJust like the tire size, it's going to be in the air, and the one guy who would notice might not remember exactly unless he had a photo handy. There's a LOT more itneresting stuff around to catch eyes than the tail rotor transmission hub. Theoretically, anyway. I don't know if Guns has figured out the trig for the angle of view from observers to make inside windows looklike AF1 on one side and Medevac on other. Maybe a partition board that drops down 1 ft from ceiling, so window can be seen through, but interior is different decoration, blue and no curtains on one side, warm white/cozy y ellow light and curtains on the M1 side. If I'm thinking of it correctly, the M1 side will only be viewable from a STEEP angle due to it facing the computers and walls, so the partition could be further to that side than right down the middle to make the exact same effect, since there is a little room from environmentally forced perspective. Most people won't catch onto the theme from the first view, they'll see Marine One and White House, Monument detail and go "wow, and not walk around to the other side right away. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 9:16:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like the tire size, it's going to be in the air, and the one guy who would notice might not remember exactly unless he had a photo handy. There's a LOT more itneresting stuff around to catch eyes than the tail rotor transmission hub. Theoretically, anyway. I don't know if Guns has figured out the trig for the angle of view from observers to make inside windows looklike AF1 on one side and Medevac on other. Maybe a partition board that drops down 1 ft from ceiling, so window can be seen through, but interior is different decoration, blue and no curtains on one side, warm white/cozy y ellow light and curtains on the M1 side. If I'm thinking of it correctly, the M1 side will only be viewable from a STEEP angle due to it facing the computers and walls, so the partition could be further to that side than right down the middle to make the exact same effect, since there is a little room from environmentally forced perspective. Most people won't catch onto the theme from the first view, they'll see Marine One and White House, Monument detail and go "wow, and not walk around to the other side right away.
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Posted: 1/29/2019 9:25:54 PM EDT
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Update 1/29.2
Evening addition. Funny thing, we went through 1000 rivets in 2 days.  I'm not sure I've got enough for what we've got left.  Kids started on some painted details on the tail rotor. 
We are almost ready for skin on these. 
A little of the new paint going in the blackhawk door. 
I like the look of it on the door. Seems about right. 
Skinning around the front windows is getting more and more complete. 
Funny thing about watching London Has Fallen again last night......I noticed we had the windows on the port side of Marine One wrong. 
We checked photos again today and made some mods. 
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Posted: 1/29/2019 9:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's OK, I'm used to it. Seems my only reason is to be an example to others, of how to not do things.
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Posted: 1/29/2019 10:42:28 PM EDT
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A little modelers' secret is to add some light gray paint to whatever color you are trying to model.
The reason being, your eyes are used to seeing things washed out/hazy at any distance, due to moisture or dust in the air. You can accomplish this later with an airbrush, but you should also keep in mind that no military aircraft stay freshly painted for more than a couple weeks. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 10:44:33 PM EDT
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A little modelers' secret is to add some light gray paint to whatever color you are trying to model. The reason being, your eyes are used to seeing things washed out/hazy at any distance, due to moisture or dust in the air. You can accomplish this later with an airbrush, but you should also keep in mind that no military aircraft stay freshly painted for more than a couple weeks. |
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Posted: 1/30/2019 7:22:59 AM EDT
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Your nose bulb is probably an AN-APQ-174 radar. That's what is in that position on the MH 60K. http://www.airvectors.net/avs70_1_04.png |
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Posted: 1/30/2019 10:00:20 PM EDT
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Update 1/30
It was a good day. We are nearing completion of the skinning. That is a monumental moment in these projects. We are far from the end, but at least we know there is an end.
Details will probably overwhelm us at times, but this thing will get completed. Hopefully robotics comes through for us. That may be the challenging part. Tomorrow, we are going to begin setting up and laying out the cables to hang the helicopter in the display area. The tail area got more details to smooth out the transition between the football and the main tail. 
We are going to try a little expanding foam, then shave it down and blend it in. We will cover it with a skin before painting. 
The little nose radar dome is nearing ready for mounting. 
Side windows were fixed and details are now being added around them. 
The nearly finished the nose skinning. 
The glass tops were finished today. We also removed more of the frames that would be visible through them. 
The turbine frames were finished this morning and we began fitting them to the top of the blackhawk. 
Fitting 2x2s to them so that they can be attached to the internal frame of our rocket sled. 
These are our 2x2 hole points for the turbines. Everything seems to line up pretty darn well.
These went surprisingly fast for skinning. Students broke them down into the flat areas first, and proceeded, one side at a time. They each would skin one area on each turbine, then move on. His way sides matched on both turbines, even though more than three students were working on them. Kind of assembly line type production. 
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Posted: 1/31/2019 2:27:55 AM EDT
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Update 1/30 It was a good day. We are nearing completion of the skinning. That is a monumental moment in these projects. We are far from the end, but at least we know there is an end.
Details will probably overwhelm us at times, but this thing will get completed. Hopefully robotics comes through for us. That may be the challenging part. Tomorrow, we are going to begin setting up and laying out the cables to hang the helicopter in the display area. The tail area got more details to smooth out the transition between the football and the main tail. https://i.imgur.com/KoMVZ7w.jpg We are going to try a little expanding foam, then shave it down and blend it in. We will cover it with a skin before painting. https://i.imgur.com/16kK4Mt.jpg The little nose radar dome is nearing ready for mounting. https://i.imgur.com/aGkwXp9.jpg Side windows were fixed and details are now being added around them. https://i.imgur.com/M3uUOrH.jpg The nearly finished the nose skinning. https://i.imgur.com/YtYTL9O.jpg The glass tops were finished today. We also removed more of the frames that would be visible through them. https://i.imgur.com/7b1Ra4e.jpg The turbine frames were finished this morning and we began fitting them to the top of the blackhawk. https://i.imgur.com/da8mkWi.jpg Fitting 2x2s to them so that they can be attached to the internal frame of our rocket sled. https://i.imgur.com/FtSMMFL.jpg These are our 2x2 hole points for the turbines. Everything seems to line up pretty darn well.
https://i.imgur.com/nKNVsDO.jpg These went surprisingly fast for skinning. Students broke them down into the flat areas first, and proceeded, one side at a time. They each would skin one area on each turbine, then move on. His way sides matched on both turbines, even though more than three students were working on them. Kind of assembly line type production. https://i.imgur.com/y6Pk3IQ.jpg Reason I ask is to mention the radome should be like an egg smooth, aside from the white ribs. Air moves around parabolas nicely with little turbulence/drag compared to spheres. On second and third looks, it may be smoked/coated glass for optics. I'm seeing different versions, not sure which one you'll pick. They all have ribs, none have ledges perpendicular to direction of travel, though. I wasn't going to say anything, but since I missed the football last time, figured I'd pipe up here. Slightly parabolic, no edge/ledge. Just a touch more egg shaped. Move the tip forward about an inch and stretch the rest around it in.. a parabola. That way it doesn't look like you moulded it from a balloon. Great Stuff foam would be fine if you can get it smooth without pinholes, I believe you've done that once or twice before... The sealed one seems to be in panels, like eiths, tapering together same way as tali football, but, 8 of them. Maybe 12 @ 30° each. VIDEO GAME RENDERING OF Marine One 
REAL One at Mar-A-Logo (mabye above isn't video game?): April 2017 had tinted glass? 
September 2017 Wikipedia 
Versioni 2 of above But not this much: 
Maybe it is a camera, it looks pretty spherical in this view:  Uhh, nevermind. Just make it smooth as a ... something really smooth. The new one seems like a cartoon. Click To View Spoiler --RAMBLING SOME MORE EDIT... I'm not sure what this is from, but could be a solution to the glass vs grey, depending on what you decide. I am currently not positive which version is in use during summer 2018 to get it proper.  --ETA87: No extension on this one, should be visible, and this is a SUPER high resolution image click to see the 4k. Marine One, July 2017 from Time Magazine 
Marine One with President Donald Trump aboard lifts off from the South Lawn of the White House, Saturday, July 22, 2017 in Washington for a short flight to Joint Base Andrews. J. David Ake—AP Full article complaining about Trump using the helicopter here if you care, or for reference , maybe they photoshopped pod out, it IS Time. Actually, that may not even be Marine One. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 8:40:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the FRP you use to smooth things out? I saw it being used from a tub, is there a single part FRP without catalyst? I'm curious about it if so! Dental plaster, but lighter, would be neat, if it doesn't crack. Reason I ask is to mention the radome should be like an egg smooth, aside from the white ribs. Air moves around parabolas nicely with little turbulence/drag compared to spheres. On second and third looks, it may be smoked/coated glass for optics. I'm seeing different versions, not sure which one you'll pick. They all have ribs, none have ledges perpendicular to direction of travel, though. I wasn't going to say anything, but since I missed the football last time, figured I'd pipe up here. Slightly parabolic, no edge/ledge. Just a touch more egg shaped. Move the tip forward about an inch and stretch the rest around it in.. a parabola. That way it doesn't look like you moulded it from a balloon. Great Stuff foam would be fine if you can get it smooth without pinholes, I believe you've done that once or twice before... The sealed one seems to be in panels, like eiths, tapering together same way as tali football, but, 8 of them. Maybe 12 @ 30° each. VIDEO GAME RENDERING OF Marine One https://i.imgur.com/sQZALTe.jpg REAL One at Mar-A-Logo (mabye above isn't video game?): April 2017 had tinted glass? https://i.imgur.com/CIYF5iQ.jpg September 2017 Wikipedia https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/VH-60_Marine_One_%28modified%29.jpg Versioni 2 of above But not this much: https://i.imgur.com/9QGsjH3.jpg Maybe it is a camera, it looks pretty spherical in this view: https://i.imgur.com/tDsCYdy.jpg Uhh, nevermind. Just make it smooth as a ... something really smooth. The new one seems like a cartoon. Click To View Spoiler --RAMBLING SOME MORE EDIT... I'm not sure what this is from, but could be a solution to the glass vs grey, depending on what you decide. I am currently not positive which version is in use during summer 2018 to get it proper. https://i.imgur.com/UOgHU1e.jpg --ETA87: No extension on this one, should be visible, and this is a SUPER high resolution image click to see the 4k. Marine One, July 2017 from Time Magazine https://i.imgur.com/h2KUHVd.jpg Marine One with President Donald Trump aboard lifts off from the South Lawn of the White House, Saturday, July 22, 2017 in Washington for a short flight to Joint Base Andrews. J. David Ake—AP Full article complaining about Trump using the helicopter here if you care, or for reference , maybe they photoshopped pod out, it IS Time. Actually, that may not even be Marine One. dang near went word for word the conversation we were having yesterday staring at not so clear pictures.Those pictures help a lot. The back half will be molded once we secure it to the nose, sometime today. We think it's not glass, and smooth, also. My student started saying badwords, and mumbling something about me disappearing soon, when I suggested maybe we should mold plexiglass around the nose of it. She will be much happier to see these photos and I'll be able to breath a little easier when she has one of the blue-(melt your skin off) glue guns handy  .
ETA: The FRP paste is some kind of construction adhesive for plywood? I think that's what they wold me it was for. It's like a thick Elmers paste. It's water soluble, doesn't smell, and hardens to a non flexible state. We've used it in a pinch for hide paste on our taxidermy projects. We use the hide paste in a pinch to do our heavy duty paper mache. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:32:21 PM EDT
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Update 1/31
The mural logo for Marine One is looking pretty good. 
The district got my favorite facilities guy over here this morning, and we got to mapping out where we needed the cables. The tape on the floor is the location we need for each cable. This puts the helo in td he perfect spot for the blades and the tail rotor. 
It looks like the two cables from the viking ship will work, but they need moved a little. All we have to do is add the third cable. 
Rob is a great guy and suggested we take Marine One for a little test flight once the cables are up. He wants to make sure everything hangs correctly. So, it looks like we may have some test flight photos soon.
The tail rotor transition looks pretty good. A little more blending with watercolor paper and we should be ready for paint. 
We noticed that there is one of these holes on the port side, but not on the starboard. 
The starboard side has this on the front of the top. 
The nose is getting its skin and blending. 
We are working again on the nose windows. We are reworking the skin in the forward corners and reshaping the glass again. 
More nose and radar dome. 
The turbines are soooooo close to skinned. Just a few more spots, then they will begin working on their details. 
End of the day..... got to try put both up there. 
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:35:02 PM EDT
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Those are great pictures and your "rambling" dang near went word for word the conversation we were having yesterday staring at not so clear pictures.Those pictures help a lot. The back half will be molded once we secure it to the nose, sometime today. We think it's not glass, and smooth, also. My student started saying badwords, and mumbling something about me disappearing soon, when I suggested maybe we should mold plexiglass around the nose of it. She will be much happier to see these photos and I'll be able to breath a little easier when she has one of the blue-(melt your skin off) glue guns handy .
ETA: The FRP paste is some kind of construction adhesive for plywood? I think that's what they wold me it was for. It's like a thick Elmers paste. It's water soluble, doesn't smell, and hardens to a non flexible state. We've used it in a pinch for hide paste on our taxidermy projects. We use the hide paste in a pinch to do our heavy duty paper mache. What's the paste called? You conveniently had the tub label facing away from the camera in that picture. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:41:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry for accidentally repeating your conversation. I swear I didn't eavesdrop. What's the paste called? You conveniently had the tub label facing away from the camera in that picture. 
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:56:35 PM EDT
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Dome finishing idea:
matte black fabric mesh, a thick nylon, cut into panels that meet at tip, like on the football. Horizontally truncate (sawzall) bottom quarter of dome flat, stretch fabric across that, add camera. Get one of those mini smoked CCTV camera covers that are 2" and stick it onto the fabric. There's so few pictures, people won't know it's not perfect, heck , I didn't even know it was there, but I don't pay much attention to things. The camera dome would look cool and give a "purpose" to it for observers. They'll see and say 'oh, they even remembered the camera!", when I've only found one picture showing it. Otherwise, they'll look up and wonder what that thingy is. Many size options on this one, which you could hit with tint inside, tint=black paint, a couple of these could also replicate another feature like it on the bottom of cabin it looks like, change color or size a bit, they go from 1.2" to 20" in every size here: 
Or a bit bigger one that has a fake camera looking thing in it, just don't put batteries in it. 
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Posted: 1/31/2019 10:04:12 PM EDT
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Dome finishing idea: matte black fabric mesh, a thick nylon, cut into panels that meet at tip, like on the football. Horizontally truncate (sawzall) bottom quarter of dome flat, stretch fabric across that, add camera. Get one of those mini smoked CCTV camera covers that are 2" and stick it onto the fabric. There's so few pictures, people won't know it's not perfect, heck , I didn't even know it was there, but I don't pay much attention to things. The camera dome would look cool and give a "purpose" to it for observers. They'll see and say 'oh, they even remembered the camera!", when I've only found one picture showing it. Otherwise, they'll look up and wonder what that thingy is. Many size options on this one, which you could hit with tint inside, tint=black paint, a couple of these could also replicate another feature like it on the bottom of cabin it looks like, change color or size a bit, they go from 1.2" to 20" in every size here: www.amazon.com/dp/B07DNV47S1Or a bit bigger one that has a fake camera looking thing in it, just don't put batteries in it. www.amazon.com/dp/B00MC05K9W |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 4:01:16 AM EDT
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Ok, show me where you are seeing the camera or bubble lens? On the window on the blackhawk side? On the fuselage somewhere? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dome finishing idea: matte black fabric mesh, a thick nylon, cut into panels that meet at tip, like on the football. Horizontally truncate (sawzall) bottom quarter of dome flat, stretch fabric across that, add camera. Get one of those mini smoked CCTV camera covers that are 2" and stick it onto the fabric. There's so few pictures, people won't know it's not perfect, heck , I didn't even know it was there, but I don't pay much attention to things. The camera dome would look cool and give a "purpose" to it for observers. They'll see and say 'oh, they even remembered the camera!", when I've only found one picture showing it. Otherwise, they'll look up and wonder what that thingy is. Many size options on this one, which you could hit with tint inside, tint=black paint, a couple of these could also replicate another feature like it on the bottom of cabin it looks like, change color or size a bit, they go from 1.2" to 20" in every size here: www.amazon.com/dp/B07DNV47S1Or a bit bigger one that has a fake camera looking thing in it, just don't put batteries in it. www.amazon.com/dp/B00MC05K9W Bottom half of bulbous protrusion pod in front of driver in this photo, it's the only 2018 one I could find, new window, zoom close, it's high res:
On the NEW Marine One  
Just for kicks, old one with new one:  I'm guessing along the lines of this, but, airborn: 
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Posted: 2/1/2019 4:11:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Update 2/1
Backwards test flight......
We didnt get time to do the whole thing today. We did get the tail up and made sure there was plenty of room for the rotor. No making fun of the facial expressions. Lots of concentration.
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Posted: 2/1/2019 4:16:08 PM EDT
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Update continued:
First windows going up. 
Added track. 
Radar dome finishing up skin. 
We aren't happy with some of the contours on the turbines so we began adj8sting them a bit. 
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Posted: 2/1/2019 4:28:22 PM EDT
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Instead of squares of fabric/paper/canvas, would something like pantyhose or ripped yoga pants work as the final skin to hid bumps? Yes, serious. Trying to think of what would end up optically smooth-ish when pulled across tangents, but I doesn't know how absorbent to adhesives those types of things are (plastics vs papers), I can't say if they'd work or not. Long, thin, tapered strips going front to back, meeting at face/front center, or one piece just stretched over and glued down.
½ oz fiberglass is pretty flexible, bu would still need relief cuts in it for the smooth finish, I've never tried the above for , only fiberglass for strength. Could either save or waste FRP and glue, and may increase or decrease headaches (I won't even guess at logarithmic vs linear axis relationship between the above factors). Result may look better or worse. There could be a whole different frustration dimension involved, but I know it's there from some some posts. That dimension could also spike or drop depending on success of method, or if it turns out like dissolved surfboard.
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Posted: 2/1/2019 5:18:52 PM EDT
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Instead of squares of fabric/paper/canvas, would something like pantyhose or ripped yoga pants work as the final skin to hid bumps? Yes, serious. Trying to think of what would end up optically smooth-ish when pulled across tangents, but I doesn't know how absorbent to adhesives those types of things are (plastics vs papers), I can't say if they'd work or not. Long, thin, tapered strips going front to back, meeting at face/front center, or one piece just stretched over and glued down. ½ oz fiberglass is pretty flexible, bu would still need relief cuts in it for the smooth finish, I've never tried the above for , only fiberglass for strength. Could either save or waste FRP and glue, and may increase or decrease headaches (I won't even guess at logarithmic vs linear axis relationship between the above factors). Result may look better or worse. There could be a whole different frustration dimension involved, but I know it's there from some some posts. That dimension could also spike or drop depending on success of method, or if it turns out like dissolved surfboard.The thin newspaper also works fairly well. We will go over the heavier canvas on the nose with that next week. They just wanted to take up some of the difference with the thicker canvas first. It also adds quite a bit of strength where it might get bumped periodically. 
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Posted: 2/1/2019 5:47:58 PM EDT
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Since it's hanging, adding these "tear drop" domes to the bottom will add intreste, even if it's not The Trump Marine One, it's a Marine One.
Pod looks green on top, matte black on bottom with a smaller dome inset like. Bottom will be viewed more than sides from angle I just saw it hanging... Reposting pic from above, and the image above this one above for pod coloring/decoration to be more interesting with the camera window inset, I think these are mostly inset as well so as not to be obvious from the side.
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Posted: 2/1/2019 11:40:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Great progress!!
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Posted: 2/2/2019 10:45:27 AM EDT
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Since it's hanging, adding these "tear drop" domes to the bottom will add intreste, even if it's not The Trump Marine One, it's a Marine One. Pod looks green on top, matte black on bottom with a smaller dome inset like. Bottom will be viewed more than sides from angle I just saw it hanging... Reposting pic from above, and the image above this one above for pod coloring/decoration to be more interesting with the camera window inset, I think these are mostly inset as well so as not to be obvious from the side. https://i.imgur.com/eSP9qTt.jpg |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 1:50:39 AM EDT
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Not to hijack the thread but your class needs to make me an RCA Nipper Dog so I can put it along side my RCA tube console radio
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Posted: 2/4/2019 9:14:50 PM EDT
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@Guns762
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Posted: 2/4/2019 9:45:29 PM EDT
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@Guns762 No update today?
Sorry. I'm a little late. Busy day. We did manage to cut parts of our glass corners with the Dremel to get the right fit. That was an excellent idea.
We reworked the other one, but it still needs a bit more manipulation. We also talked about tinting some of the windows. We think it's just going to look better all around. I'm going to grab some tint tomorrow from the auto parts store and we wil play around with it. 
The nose got more smoothing and some caulking. With some paper mache, it should be pretty decent. 
The action figures keep finding new places to watch. One was hanging off the lift to the left for a while by one hand. They all seem to think it's funny to pose them in new places and see how long it takes me to notice.
 The windows edges got some attention to prepare for glass. 
With both turbines up there, we decided to put the rotor hub up there too.
With the hub up, students suggested we take a look with a couple blades on there too..
Matching up the second turbine contour we adjusted has not been easy.
Maybe tomorrow we can get it matched up. 
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Posted: 2/4/2019 9:54:03 PM EDT
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Are the action figures all the same scale? I seem to remember that the one orange one is larger. If so, how about getting two more and then do y’alls magic to make them the pilot and co-pilot?
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Posted: 2/4/2019 9:56:00 PM EDT
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Are the action figures all the same scale? I seem to remember that the one orange one is larger. If so, how about getting two more and then do y’alls magic to make them the pilot and co-pilot? |
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Posted: 2/5/2019 10:37:15 AM EDT
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Update 2/5
Nice little letter from the White House today! Not quite a Marine One visit, but a nice way to start a very cold Tuesday morning.
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Posted: 2/5/2019 10:40:44 AM EDT
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Very nice.
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Posted: 2/5/2019 10:57:06 AM EDT
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Damn!
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