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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:17:28 PM EST
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:40:45 PM EST
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Any member here evac'd by 101st? That'd be a worthy tail number.
No clue why you'd deface an Army helo with the Marines birthday, plus, I don't think crayon will stick to the paint to do that properly. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:45:38 PM EST
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Any member here evac'd by 101st? That'd be a worthy tail number. No clue why you'd deface an Army helo with the Marines birthday, plus, I don't think crayon will stick to the paint to do that properly. 
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:15:11 PM EST
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Any member here evac'd by 101st? That'd be a worthy tail number. No clue why you'd deface an Army helo with the Marines birthday, plus, I don't think crayon will stick to the paint to do that properly. 
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Posted: 3/20/2019 7:23:33 PM EST
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Update 3/20.
Rush to finish details that will be more difficult in the air. Change of plans again......tomorrow we hang at 10. Students were scrambling today and did incredible work in such a short time. 
Track is installed for the sliding door. Carriages will hopefully be done soon. He's turning aluminum wheels on a lathe. 
A brief moment playing with the blades and the fade today. I think this is going to work. 
The lower screen from yesterday. 
With trim. 
William Money looking at the jump..... 
101st Wings Of Destiny logo looking better. 
The rail.....it will have to be installed after the hanging. 
More changes and adds...... 
The lettering will also be faded after its done and ready. 
Tail number on the Marine One side. Still can be changed of someone has a better idea. The tail number on the other side will also be different. Preferably a 101st medevac nimber. 
The door..... adding the 326 number for the 101st. 
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Posted: 3/20/2019 7:23:36 PM EST
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Any member here evac'd by 101st? That'd be a worthy tail number. No clue why you'd deface an Army helo with the Marines birthday, plus, I don't think crayon will stick to the paint to do that properly.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 7:57:04 PM EST
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Wheel hubs need a black center and it looks like black or grey nuts, though a black center would be enough..
Rest of it is looking VERY sharp and clean! 
*WARNING* Sex offender in photo below. 
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:26:49 AM EST
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Wheel hubs need a black center and it looks like black or grey nuts, though a black center would be enough.. Rest of it is looking VERY sharp and clean! https://i.imgur.com/woEHk0D.jpg https://i.imgur.com/R7hXaWV.jpg *WARNING* Sex offender in photo below. https://i.imgur.com/o0c3rDH.jpg 
The students and I have spent hours trying to find things we don't have, and yet, we all missed things like that big white dome on top. 
There are lots of little things on the bottom that we noticed, and are holding off for after we get it hanging, but some stuff is right there in plain sight. 
I suppose it has to do with angle and the photos we've been looking at, but it's there in several of the main references we've been using. Now we have to find a 9" round bowl to paint white.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:23:56 AM EST
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The helicopter has lifted off from the assembly area.........
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:29:28 AM EST
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The helicopter has lifted off from the assembly area......... |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:40:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it will enter a stable hover shortly!
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:44:22 AM EST
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Quick add this morning before moving.....The half sphere will be located on top of this.
20 min till we hike it in the air. 
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:48:05 AM EST
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:03:49 PM EST
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Quite amazing to watch it progress from concept to (mostly) finished product. Great job, crew!
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:26:51 PM EST
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I find it amusing that after staring at photographs of Marine One for the last 150 days, that details that were right in front of us, suddenly appear.
The students and I have spent hours trying to find things we don't have, and yet, we all missed things like that big white dome on top.
There are lots of little things on the bottom that we noticed, and are holding off for after we get it hanging, but some stuff is right there in plain sight.
I suppose it has to do with angle and the photos we've been looking at, but it's there in several of the main references we've been using. Now we have to find a 9" round bowl to paint white. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wheel hubs need a black center and it looks like black or grey nuts, though a black center would be enough.. Rest of it is looking VERY sharp and clean! https://i.imgur.com/woEHk0D.jpg https://i.imgur.com/R7hXaWV.jpg *WARNING* Sex offender in photo below. https://i.imgur.com/o0c3rDH.jpg
The students and I have spent hours trying to find things we don't have, and yet, we all missed things like that big white dome on top.
There are lots of little things on the bottom that we noticed, and are holding off for after we get it hanging, but some stuff is right there in plain sight.
I suppose it has to do with angle and the photos we've been looking at, but it's there in several of the main references we've been using. Now we have to find a 9" round bowl to paint white. Not to mention a huge morale boost in the middle which seems to have raised everybody's standard for quality and accuracy. If you'd started out in the beginning with a full blueprint, you'd have gotten stuck on the details, and it would have been skipped. What's being noticed now are things relatively easy to change/add and get done fast, so there's nothing wrong with your way of doing things. Think of it as subbing out different assemblies to another group, only that group is yourself, but in the future. 
I won't mention the same thing happened with the Sub and shuttle. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 2:16:35 PM EST
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I won't mention the same thing happened with the Sub and shuttle. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 4:26:20 PM EST
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We have liftoff!
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Posted: 3/21/2019 4:28:37 PM EST
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One thing you should also consider is that not every white top 60 is going to be EXACTLY the same. Even the same tail number will have different configurations over the years, so don't beat yourselves up too bad if you miss something. It just means that LM/Sikorsky has a class I ECN in process to add a satcom antenna and radome aft of the main rotor.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 7:18:21 PM EST
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Update 3/21
A very long, but productive day. We were successful in getting the helicopter hung, but we had a bit of a set back and will hopefully address it on Monday. Thst is the soonest I can get our district helper back. First up the main fulselage. There was much discussion about how high to hang the nose, and we compared it to all the other projects. Later we adjusted the angle slightly steeper. I'll explain later. 
Next up was the tail. You can probably see part of our problem developing here. 
 
Students almost immediately went to work with touch up work. Being able to see it again from the bottom found us many places we missed. 
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Posted: 3/21/2019 7:26:32 PM EST
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Update 3/21 A very long, but productive day. We were successful in getting the helicopter hung, but we had a bit of a set back and will hopefully address it on Monday. Thst is the soonest I can get our district helper back. First up the main fulselage. There was much discussion about how high to hang the nose, and we compared it to all the other projects. Later we adjusted the angle slightly steeper. I'll explain later. https://i.imgur.com/X5FlH0G.jpg Next up was the tail. You can probably see part of our problem developing here.
https://i.imgur.com/0EF7UVe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aPLy7hs.jpg Students almost immediately went to work with touch up work. Being able to see it again from the bottom found us many places we missed. https://i.imgur.com/UnKe6aI.jpg |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 7:28:06 PM EST
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Continued update 3/21
Our main problem today developed when we got the tail attached to the main fuselage. The cables overhead were as far forward as we could manage, as the building beams would allow. They were still about 6 or 8 inches to far to the rear. We were hoping the tail and angle would apply some pressure downward onto the fuselage, and it did, just not the amount needed. The tail is on, but up against the walls. It is also just a bit canted because of the pressure. After a few hours discussing it with the students, the district helper, and our new custodian, we think we might have a couple options. I'd like to see us apply a cable to the forward cable and pull it forward. We played around with it up above the ceiling, and I think we can make it work. A cable replacing the forward cable and angling to the next beam won't work as it would go through the light fixture. There may be a combined method, pulling the whole assembly away from the corner. We will see. I'll try to draw up what I'd like to see us do. I need to send it to my helper for Monday. We do have enough room for the tail rotor to spin freely, and we could leave it, but I'd like to see it a few inches off the wall, as we originally intended. 
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Posted: 3/21/2019 7:31:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like you need another 3 feet or so for assembly space don't you.
About 3". We can literally pull it with a single hand on the cockpit window edge forward the 3" we need. Can't go much further forward than that, or the main rotor blades won't fit either.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 7:38:10 PM EST
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About 3". We can literally pull it with a single hand on the cockpit window edge forward the 3" we need. Can't go much further forward than that, or the main rotor blades won't fit either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Looks like you need another 3 feet or so for assembly space don't you.
About 3". We can literally pull it with a single hand on the cockpit window edge forward the 3" we need. Can't go much further forward than that, or the main rotor blades won't fit either. The other option that is less desirable would be to build a spreader bar / fixture that goes above the rotor and allows you to place the helo where you want it with separate drops from it and its new attachment points shifted by the 3-4" you need, but it would be visible and you'd have to get your math just right to get it to balance correctly or you'd end up with unequal tension in the cables, which may or may not be a big deal. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:05:04 PM EST
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Hard to tell from the pictures, but could you run a secondary line from the middle helicopter mount to the forward most ceiling mount to pull the helicopter forward three inches?" Rear and forward lines would no longer be a straight drop but to gain the necessary three inches, the slight angle should not be an issue.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:11:42 PM EST
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Hard to tell from the pictures, but could you run a secondary line from the middle helicopter mount to the forward most ceiling mount to pull the helicopter forward three inches?" Rear and forward lines would no longer be a straight drop but to gain the necessary three inches, the slight angle should not be an issue.
We have to fish a cable over the beam using a pvc pipe. 
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:14:19 PM EST
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Could a clear Plexiglas rod pushing off the back wall get you the movement forward you need?
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:16:55 PM EST
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"Sheriff, I'd like to report a hanging in Wyoming today"
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:18:54 PM EST
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 The Marines' Hymn - "The President's Own" U.S. Marine Band - 2016 |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:19:14 PM EST
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Could a clear Plexiglas rod pushing off the back wall get you the movement forward you need?
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:20:57 PM EST
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"Sheriff, I'd like to report a hanging in Wyoming today"
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:23:08 PM EST
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One thing you should also consider is that not every white top 60 is going to be EXACTLY the same. Even the same tail number will have different configurations over the years, so don't beat yourselves up too bad if you miss something. It just means that LM/Sikorsky has a class I ECN in process to add a satcom antenna and radome aft of the main rotor.
That's a good thing to remember.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:29:11 PM EST
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I haven't been keeping up with the progress like I wanted to with the new baby and work, but that thing looks amazing.
One question, and it's probably been answered already in previous posts, but are you leaving the one side of the helicopter grey? Or is it being painted after it is hanging? Very awesome project, as are all the other ones you've shared. Great work |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:36:53 PM EST
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I haven't been keeping up with the progress like I wanted to with the new baby and work, but that thing looks amazing. One question, and it's probably been answered already in previous posts, but are you leaving the one side of the helicopter grey? Or is it being painted after it is hanging? Very awesome project, as are all the other ones you've shared. Great work |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:37:19 PM EST
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That's kind of what we have planned. The ceiling structure we have to tie into is about 15 ft above the suspended ceiling.
We have to fish a cable over the beam using a pvc pipe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hard to tell from the pictures, but could you run a secondary line from the middle helicopter mount to the forward most ceiling mount to pull the helicopter forward three inches?" Rear and forward lines would no longer be a straight drop but to gain the necessary three inches, the slight angle should not be an issue.
We have to fish a cable over the beam using a pvc pipe. It does look awesome suspended. You and your students, as always, should be proud!! |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:42:33 PM EST
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It will remain grey, and show off the medevac role, with a sliding door. Marine One fades into a 101st Airborne Medevac blackhawk on the starboard side. About 70%-30%. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I haven't been keeping up with the progress like I wanted to with the new baby and work, but that thing looks amazing. One question, and it's probably been answered already in previous posts, but are you leaving the one side of the helicopter grey? Or is it being painted after it is hanging? Very awesome project, as are all the other ones you've shared. Great work Thanks for the reply |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:49:02 PM EST
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Take a LOT of photos from every angle, including directly beneath while it's in the air. Then go back and compare to reference. Try to re-create some of your reference photos as well.
Then you'll see the differences stick out and decide which ones merit modification. Looks like the front cable could be moved over 4 feet yet. Did connect to the 2nd to front cable?
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:54:54 PM EST
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Take a LOT of photos from every angle, including directly beneath while it's in the air. Then go back and compare to reference. Try to re-create some of your reference photos as well. Then you'll see the differences stick out and decide which ones merit modification. Looks like the front cable could be moved over 4 feet yet. Did connect to the 2nd to front cable? We will have to attach a cable to the front cable, and pull it forward.....maybe.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:56:59 PM EST
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Nope. Those two cables are as far forward as they can go by just simply hanging from roof structure beams. We will have to attach a cable to the front cable, and pull it forward.....maybe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Take a LOT of photos from every angle, including directly beneath while it's in the air. Then go back and compare to reference. Try to re-create some of your reference photos as well. Then you'll see the differences stick out and decide which ones merit modification. Looks like the front cable could be moved over 4 feet yet. Did connect to the 2nd to front cable? We will have to attach a cable to the front cable, and pull it forward.....maybe. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:58:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: [heard you like cables so I put cables on your cables.jpg]
Exactly.. ... We've used the method in previous years to get the cables to hang straight down where we want them.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:21:30 PM EST
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Nope. Those two cables are as far forward as they can go by just simply hanging from roof structure beams. We will have to attach a cable to the front cable, and pull it forward.....maybe. It shouldn't be too tough and likely there is an architect or PE in town that could help with that (I think you guys had someone consult on the sub IIRC). While pulling the whole thing forward with another cable will work, you'll have another cable in the mix that could become a distraction and added trouble to hang. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:25:13 PM EST
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Before you do that...I have another idea similar to my first. How much free space is there above the drop ceiling? What if you engineered and rigged a spreader bar that attached to the structural beams and gave you the mounting points you need to get a more ideal hanging point? Or, is there a way to re-route your current cables to move it forward a bit? Like looping it the other way around the beam? It shouldn't be too tough and likely there is an architect or PE in town that could help with that (I think you guys had someone consult on the sub IIRC). While pulling the whole thing forward with another cable will work, you'll have another cable in the mix that could become a distraction and added trouble to hang. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. Those two cables are as far forward as they can go by just simply hanging from roof structure beams. We will have to attach a cable to the front cable, and pull it forward.....maybe. It shouldn't be too tough and likely there is an architect or PE in town that could help with that (I think you guys had someone consult on the sub IIRC). While pulling the whole thing forward with another cable will work, you'll have another cable in the mix that could become a distraction and added trouble to hang. Could be as little as tossing it over a spreader bar and leaving them. Anchor other end of bar to superstructure above. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:05:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before you do that...I have another idea similar to my first. How much free space is there above the drop ceiling? What if you engineered and rigged a spreader bar that attached to the structural beams and gave you the mounting points you need to get a more ideal hanging point? Or, is there a way to re-route your current cables to move it forward a bit? Like looping it the other way around the beam? It shouldn't be too tough and likely there is an architect or PE in town that could help with that (I think you guys had someone consult on the sub IIRC). While pulling the whole thing forward with another cable will work, you'll have another cable in the mix that could become a distraction and added trouble to hang. With the amount of movement we need now, the added cable above the ceiling structure won't be visible to viewers, and will be the easiest and most efficient way to get the few inches we need. We really are very, very close to the correct placement. Wait till you see how close the rotor tips will be to the walls.  Hopefully not closer than I want.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:57:48 AM EST
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If we were to start all over, the substructure drop down bar would have been our route. We did that with all of the cables for the locomotive. Moving the current cables on the superstructure would only make things worse. They are at the optimum placement.....just not as optimum as we hoped. With the amount of movement we need now, the added cable above the ceiling structure won't be visible to viewers, and will be the easiest and most efficient way to get the few inches we need. We really are very, very close to the correct placement. Wait till you see how close the rotor tips will be to the walls. Hopefully not closer than I want. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:07:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure thing, makes sense, and you guys definitely have much better info real time than I do. Can't wait to see it with the rotor blades on!
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:25:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure thing, makes sense, and you guys definitely have much better info real time than I do. Can't wait to see it with the rotor blades on!
The sun was not cooperating. 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:08:41 PM EST
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Quoted: Sure thing, makes sense, and you guys definitely have much better info real time than I do. Can't wait to see it with the rotor blades on!
The sun was not cooperating. https://i.imgur.com/3iHNajA.jpg 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:12:53 PM EST
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Uhh, why didn't you move to the other side for photo? Where the kid is standing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Sure thing, makes sense, and you guys definitely have much better info real time than I do. Can't wait to see it with the rotor blades on!
The sun was not cooperating. https://i.imgur.com/3iHNajA.jpg
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:31:06 PM EST
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Update 3/22
The tail assembly got all tightened up and secured to the fuselage with good success. You can see that the cable also got adjusted over to the right a bit to help straightened out the way the assemblies came together. Yesterday there was about a 3/4" gap on the port side. With screws and some adjusting the cables a bit we got it perfectly together. 
Attaching the half spheres under the fuselage to the pods. 
Working on the tail wheel. 
Details getting cleaned up underneath. 
Adjusting our Mr. Kuhn a bit next to President Trump. 
We need to put a disk to block sunlight under our rotor. We can see right up through it, when looking up through the sliding door. 
New steps for the front cockpit door. 
Holographic paint really stands out later in the day when the sun hits it. 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 4:16:13 PM EST
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Did I mention it looks freaken awesome up there.  The kids and I had a bit of time today to talk about our journey so far, and none of us thought we'd be this successful. Hopefully next week gets us closer to the finish line. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 4:45:16 PM EST
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Your kids are awesome.
I made a paper mache volcano once. |
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