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Posted: 10/15/2021 10:59:57 PM EST
[#1]
Land Rovers that perform well for long periods of time are unicorns
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:02:57 PM EST
[#2]
trash
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:12:10 PM EST
[#3]
Proper Defender
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:13:22 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would consider that for half the price  That price, but this one instead. https://www.caranddriver.com/land-rover/range-rover-sport-supercharged-svr |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:17:08 PM EST
[#5]
Are these the ones with the stupid huge box flopping around on the side of the vehicle?
Yup…apparently it’s a “luggage box” the size of a briefcase. I guess a man could store his tampons in there…  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:21:01 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would consider that for half the price Half that price is what I paid for my latest Wrangler.
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:41:18 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of money to pay just to be angry. 
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:45:54 PM EST
[#8]
Buy three that way you will always have one to drive while the other two are at the dealer for warranty work.
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:50:05 PM EST
[#9]
Looks like an old school Mitsubishi Trooper. Gross
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Posted: 10/15/2021 11:51:50 PM EST
[#10]
Looks nice. But do the right thing, Landcruiser.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:01:45 AM EST
[#11]
For reference I own 3 Land Rover Discovery 2’s and a Range Rover Classic.
That thing is not a defender. And the only saving grace of Range Rover is their easy to work on. Which is t the case because that thing is a nightmare to work on. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:29:20 AM EST
[#12]
 needs more of this.. easy to work on.. 
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Posted: 10/16/2021 12:42:34 AM EST
[#13]
They get a bad rap.
I had an ‘04 Discovery that had 1 issue in the 6 years I owned it and drove it into the dealer. Ask me about my Ford though. Their resale value is shit though. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 4:38:19 AM EST
[#14]
I would pass.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 5:47:36 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The British have no concept of electricity or quality control. A fool and his $$$ are soon parted..... |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 6:02:30 AM EST
[#16]
No euro trash for me.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 6:03:28 AM EST
[#17]
Not made by Indians but made in Nitra, Slovakia.
 https://spectator.sme.sk/c/22209363/jaguar-land-rover-presented-a-new-defender-model-in-nitra.html |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 6:04:27 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have heard so many horror stories about Land Rover vehicles it's insane. Wife wanted one.. nope. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 6:09:20 AM EST
[#19]
You can tell by the prices of the used Defenders in the UK what they think of the new "Defenders".
The prices of the used Defenders have gained because there is still a market in the UK and the world for a basic SUV. Like others said should have called it a Discovery. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 6:09:55 AM EST
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Posted: 10/16/2021 6:12:12 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are these the ones with the stupid huge box flopping around on the side of the vehicle? Yup…apparently it’s a “luggage box” the size of a briefcase. I guess a man could store his tampons in there… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2980/67371A78-5228-4943-8D82-2E908B830067_jpe-2131818.JPG It’s perfect for recovery ropes etc. Muddy boots. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 6:13:11 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have heard so many horror stories about Land Rover vehicles it’s insane. Wife wanted one.. nope. THIS = POS! |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 7:00:01 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing like giving your money to China.  and no it's owned by Tata iirc still? |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 7:01:20 AM EST
[#24]
Land Rovers are the biggest POS on the road.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 7:11:51 AM EST
[#25]
The back end looks like it took a design cue from an old Suzuki Vitara.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 7:18:12 AM EST
[#26]
I’ll be sure to post here if I get one.
Drove one last week and dealer texts me photos everytime they get a used one. Will probably order a bare bones model with only off road options. It will be cheaper than a lot of the Wranglers, Gladiators, and Broncos I see around here. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 7:34:10 AM EST
[#27]
I want one
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Posted: 10/16/2021 8:03:21 AM EST
[#28]
Still an unreliable POS....
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Posted: 10/16/2021 8:06:36 AM EST
[#29]
Back looks weird, I’d rather a G Class.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 8:34:09 AM EST
[#30]
I'll take one of these please:
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Posted: 10/16/2021 8:47:21 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/GWagen_IFS_jpeg-2131797.JPG W463 had a great run from 90-18. Kinda sad to see IFS, and doubt the Gen 2 goes almost 30 without change. I'm not sure it'll go near 30 at all Damn, I didn't realize they ever got away from the solid axles. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 8:48:55 AM EST
[#32]
Why all the hate from people that's never owned a LR/RR?
I still like it.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 8:51:30 AM EST
[#33]
Looks good but that lack of reliability, no thanks
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Posted: 10/16/2021 8:56:13 AM EST
[#34]
Black Hole...
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Posted: 10/16/2021 9:02:02 AM EST
[#35]
Built by an Indian-owned company, headquartered in Mumbai.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 9:46:17 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong, as long as you PROPERLY SERVICE THEM (actually taking them to Land Rover mechanic, not a dealer or jiffy lube etc), they will serve you well. I bought a 2007 RR sport brand new in 07, 133k miles, got at least another 75k in her. Fuck the haters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have heard so many horror stories about Land Rover vehicles it’s insane. Wife wanted one.. nope. Wrong, as long as you PROPERLY SERVICE THEM (actually taking them to Land Rover mechanic, not a dealer or jiffy lube etc), they will serve you well. I bought a 2007 RR sport brand new in 07, 133k miles, got at least another 75k in her. Fuck the haters. My '08 just rolled 150k. Still looks new. Leather is soft/supple. Air suspension is original. Zero issues. I did a full cooling system at 110k. A wheel bearing at 130k. A heater core at 140k. Otherwise just normal maintenance. I tow my 8k/lb boat with it a few times per year. Did a lift a year ago with some 32" tires. Still a spectacular vehicle. I'm building a Discovery 2 for myself right now. It'll be tough to let go of the Sport when the time comes, but we don't need 3 SUV's. We almost bought a Defender last year, but my wife has been driving the Sport and wanted to go back to a BMW X5. I cant fault her. The turbo X5 is a lot of fun to drive. Like an overgrown sports car. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 9:47:41 AM EST
[#37]
You should probably get 2 so you have something to drive most of the time.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 9:49:31 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The TFL trail test of it compared to the new Bronco and a Jeep JL was an utter disappointment. More Freelander, less D90.  I see tons of them on the road here, many with the bougie looking overland gear on them (the Rover pod is common). Knowing they are more suited for snow and dirt roads then they are any real wheeling keeps them in the same position they have always occupied for me. Kinda cool to look at but I would never buy one. Lack of locking differentials and no optional manual kill it for me. Definitely not a true Defender. I like it, but IMO, that's where they went wrong. The only truly capable luxury truck is the Mercedes G. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:00:10 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong, as long as you PROPERLY SERVICE THEM (actually taking them to Land Rover mechanic, not a dealer or jiffy lube etc), they will serve you well. I bought a 2007 RR sport brand new in 07, 133k miles, got at least another 75k in her. Fuck the haters. This. My neighbor has had 4 that have all gone over 200,000 miles each and he says the same thing. We have 2 a 2020 Range Rover Sport and a 2014 LR4 and both of them have been far more reliable than the Mercedes we used to drive. I will say they do have some interesting design quirks- the rear hatch/tailgate on the LR4 not having a mechanic handle is just bizarre... but all in all, the reliability issues of the more modern Land Rovers are greatly exaggerated for the most part. @texasTechVette |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:01:51 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They get a bad rap. I had an ‘04 Discovery that had 1 issue in the 6 years I owned it and drove it into the dealer. Ask me about my Ford though. Their resale value is shit though. I paid $1200 for my 95k mile Discovery 2. I like their resale.
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:08:22 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. My neighbor has had 4 that have all gone over 200,000 miles each and he says the same thing. We have 2 a 2020 Range Rover Sport and a 2014 LR4 and both of them have been far more reliable than the Mercedes we used to drive. I will say they do have some interesting design quirks- the rear hatch/tailgate on the LR4 not having a mechanic handle is just bizarre... but all in all, the reliability issues of the more modern Land Rovers are greatly exaggerated for the most part. @texasTechVette Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wrong, as long as you PROPERLY SERVICE THEM (actually taking them to Land Rover mechanic, not a dealer or jiffy lube etc), they will serve you well. I bought a 2007 RR sport brand new in 07, 133k miles, got at least another 75k in her. Fuck the haters. This. My neighbor has had 4 that have all gone over 200,000 miles each and he says the same thing. We have 2 a 2020 Range Rover Sport and a 2014 LR4 and both of them have been far more reliable than the Mercedes we used to drive. I will say they do have some interesting design quirks- the rear hatch/tailgate on the LR4 not having a mechanic handle is just bizarre... but all in all, the reliability issues of the more modern Land Rovers are greatly exaggerated for the most part. @texasTechVette Oh, I know about that rear hatch.... My LR3 had a failure there. The release rod came off of the latch. Try getting the door panel off when the door is closed. It was a $.10 fix once I got it open.... Kept that LR3 for 100k miles. The rear latch and a suspension air pump right at 100k were it's only failures. Great vehicle. That was my only truck for a spell. It towed my boat and camper all over the place. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:11:17 AM EST
[#42]
The one I looked at was 90k.
I’m still in the hunt for a low mileage LR 4 |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:19:27 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I know about that rear hatch.... My LR3 had a failure there. The release rod came off of the latch. Try getting the door panel off when the door is closed. It was a $.10 fix once I got it open.... Kept that LR3 for 100k miles. The rear latch and a suspension air pump right at 100k were it's only failures. Great vehicle. That was my only truck for a spell. It towed my boat and camper all over the place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wrong, as long as you PROPERLY SERVICE THEM (actually taking them to Land Rover mechanic, not a dealer or jiffy lube etc), they will serve you well. I bought a 2007 RR sport brand new in 07, 133k miles, got at least another 75k in her. Fuck the haters. This. My neighbor has had 4 that have all gone over 200,000 miles each and he says the same thing. We have 2 a 2020 Range Rover Sport and a 2014 LR4 and both of them have been far more reliable than the Mercedes we used to drive. I will say they do have some interesting design quirks- the rear hatch/tailgate on the LR4 not having a mechanic handle is just bizarre... but all in all, the reliability issues of the more modern Land Rovers are greatly exaggerated for the most part. @texasTechVette Oh, I know about that rear hatch.... My LR3 had a failure there. The release rod came off of the latch. Try getting the door panel off when the door is closed. It was a $.10 fix once I got it open.... Kept that LR3 for 100k miles. The rear latch and a suspension air pump right at 100k were it's only failures. Great vehicle. That was my only truck for a spell. It towed my boat and camper all over the place. I've been tempted to buy the kit from Atlantic British that gives you an internal handle. I really like my LR4 for what I need- I'm not an off roader, but if I am camping or going to range and stuff is sloppy I know it will handle it easy enough. I was pissed when they rebranded the Discovery as a Ford Explorer looking thing. I love the boxy look of the LR4.... I was looking for a jeep when I got it but getting an originally $58,000 vehicle for the same price as one that was originally $35,000 was too good of a deal to pass up. That massive depreciation works well for someone buying used Weirdly enough, I could sell it now for more than I paid for it as the used car market is so wonky now. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:36:26 AM EST
[#44]
I can’t say I haven’t been looking,
About 25 years ago when I went from lieutenant to captain I went to a LR dealer to trade my 4Runner in on a Defender. They had no new ones. They had stopped importing. When these came out I was going to get one. The reality is, a Lexus GX will cost significantly less. It will be a true frame on SUV. It will have about half the industry average reliability issues, essential ranked as the most reliable brand. LR is essentially the least reliable brand with over twice the industry average reliability issues. At 3, 5, and 7 years the GX will hold 66, 56, and 46% of its purchase value and still be a dependable daily driver. The LR will be at 60, 43, and 32% of its value and likely be a nightmare reliability wise to consider as a daily driver. The GX is made in Japan. A somewhat dated design but not dependent on much cutting edge tech and highly reliable. The Defender is made in Slovakia but a British company known for electrical and computer issues and is reliant upon dozens of computer modules managing late tech. It is a unibody. Granted, the defender looks like a true old school rear door, rear mounted spare SUV. The GX will have the ugliest grille on the planet and lost its rear spare for a poor rear door compromise. Edit- Resale values are based on historical overall brand, not the recent very strange market of no new inventory or odd spikes from discontinued vehicles like the original US defender or FJ cruiser. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:52:33 AM EST
[#45]
anyways it's not always about being practical as I tell me wife, it's about me fun. Looks better than a Wrangler
 the two door is nice versus the four door version |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:57:39 AM EST
[#46]
Does the top come off?
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Posted: 10/16/2021 10:59:00 AM EST
[#47]
I owned a Land Rover.
Never again. Anything, and I mean anything that breaks starts at a grand to fix it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 11:02:31 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Honda Element meets Suzuki Samurai. ...and the kid is retarded. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 11:03:40 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: British vehicles are certainly a bit more "bespoke" than others. (Knocks on wood) I've never had an electrical problem with a British vehicle and I've owned several. Bicycles don't count. |
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Posted: 10/16/2021 11:06:36 AM EST
[#50]
I've had 2 Range Rovers
Never again. The BRAND NEW 2004 HSE was a sizzling pile of crap at $80,000. Spent more time in the shop than it did on the road. |
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