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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:39:42 PM EDT
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Sorry, I thought their mags were $50-60. Maybe I was recalling another pistol. Places like HK parts are still high. You gotta look around but I’ve never paid over $35 ever. I actually scored some USPc mags for $10 each used in great condition. One thing to note is HK mags are very stout with proper heat treat etc. Durning my house fire in 2017 a bunch of different mags fell in the crawl space when it collapsed. They were in a second safe and fell to the hot side of that safe. About 60 Glock mags were ruined with deformed but not melted body’s. All other metal mags were just fine. We batch tested the heat treat with a Rockwell tester from my friends machine shop against new mags. The numbers were the same on all metal mags( many different brands of CZ Metgar Wilson CMC Ruger etc) all Glock, ETS and CZ scorpion mags were destroyed ( P Mags, Lancer and Tango Downs were in a unprotected crate so no idea how they would have done ). I kept a few melted ones somplace as a example if I can find one I’ll take a pic. The springs and feedlips were just fine only the poly body had issues. In case shit isn’t just the zombie apocalypse or .gov bans etc. I know that’s beyond your question but worth mentioning. Mags can be an investment so bottom dollar isn’t always worth it in some cases |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:42:54 PM EDT
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I loved my 45 Tactical, but it was enormous and my hands aren't. Eventually I decided a 1911 does everything I need a 45 to do and sold the HK. Nothing against the gun though.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:56:22 PM EDT
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The trigger is absolute dogshit. Edit: I answered before reading other replies. "Staple gun" is not an exaggeration, and I question the judgment of anyone who would say the match trigger is "the best 45 evAr." |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:58:27 PM EDT
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Buy one!
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'd love a Urban grey or whatever color it's called, USP grip.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:04:37 PM EDT
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I had a USP expert 9mm. Honestly I really wasn't impressed. They’re not the best at everything and there are some aspects about them I wish I could change, but they’re very good all-around pistols. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:07:16 PM EDT
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My issued sidearm is a H&K usp40c with the LEM trigger. I only shoot federal hst 180gr with it as that is what's issued and I have a ton of it. It's an extremely reliable gun, it's crazy easy to field strip and reassemble. The improved trigger is ok at best, the regular trigger is worse, I don't like how big the slide release is, and I think it's overpriced. But the damn thing works every time. But how many other guns could you say the same thing about for 60% of the asking price?
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:17:29 PM EDT
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Sorry, I thought their mags were $50-60. Maybe I was recalling another pistol. You wanna play, you gotta pay............ 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:18:55 PM EDT
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Do you have an illustration by chance? I had a couple of other fellow HK shooters also shoot it and they also mentioned it shot just a bit low. 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:46:53 PM EDT
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I bought a police trade USP 40c a few months back. Threw on some new meprolights to replace the factory sights. Not generally a fan of 40, but the USP is the best shooting 40 cal I've ever used.
The ambi paddle/lever/whatever type mag release is great if you have short, stubby thumbs like I do and have trouble reaching the mag release buttons on a lot of guns. I can hit it with my middle finger on my firing hand. Used mags can be had for reasonable prices in the EE if you watch for a while. I may have gotten lucky, but I don't find the DA trigger to be nearly as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. However I haven't shot any other USP's to compare. The SA isn't bad at all. Not as good as my Legion SAO or a good 1911, but perfectly usable. Only have about 7 or 8 hundred rounds through it thus far as I don't already have a stockpile of 40 ammo, but it's been predictably reliable as you'd expect given the reputation. If you get a good deal, I'd say go for it. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:48:22 PM EDT
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Spotty customer service and parts availability are another problem. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:50:43 PM EDT
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Not to me, my USP40c is a laser beam, it's a serious use handgun so I don't mind not having a match type trigger. I haven't beaten mine up, but something about it makes me feel it's bombproof. Sample size of one and all, but I won't ever sell my USP I have a 40, 40 expert and 40c. The 40c is a laser in the hand and a joy to shoot. Just wish the 40 full size and 40c could interchange mags. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:50:17 PM EDT
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I have a USP 9mm set up for single action only, a USP 45 converted to light LEM, and a USP 45c converted to light LEM. I like them all. I also have an HK45T in light LEM and a P30 in light LEM. All are great defensive guns, and I don't think I have ever had a stoppage in _any_ H&K pistol. Buy with confidence.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 6:03:55 PM EDT
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The HK fanbois will never admit this was an issue. At one point in history a gun store couldn't give a USP away. I saw one at a super low price and talked to an armorer. He said run away. A local PD dumped theirs because they were breaking and no parts could be found. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Spotty customer service and parts availability are another problem. Midwest, HKparts, Rim Country etc etc all have parts. He is a great idea for armorers . Keep parts on hand and anticipate vs react. Besides I call BS. At the rate a PD shoots unless these were old ultra high round count and abused ( IE past a reasonable service life)they weren't breaking parts left and right. If the LEO supply chain was out of stock pick up the phone and call they are out there. The USP didn't get it's reputation as one of if not the toughest combat pistol on accident. I will admit that nothing mechanical on this planet is exempt from failure. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 6:08:03 PM EDT
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Had a USP45. Trades it on a USP9. Sold that because the DA to SA transition was ridiculous (& I didn't want to buy the match version), and accuracy wasn't great. Sold the USP9 to buy an FDE VP9LE, which I still have and shoot well.
IMO, the S&W 3rd gens and 92FS have substantially better DA/SA triggers, and are cheaper. But damn USPs are sexy looking. If another AWB or capacity limit hits, I might buy another USP45. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 6:14:43 PM EDT
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The HK fanbois will never admit this was an issue. At one point in history a gunstore couldn't give a USP away. I saw one at a super low price and talked to an armorer. He said run away. A local PD dumped theirs because they were breaking and no parts could be found. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:05:39 PM EDT
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The HK fanbois will never admit this was an issue. At one point in history a gunstore couldn't give a USP away. I saw one at a super low price and talked to an armorer. He said run away. A local PD dumped theirs because they were breaking and no parts could be found. What parts were breaking on the po-po's guns? Give us some details. I've shot mine in IDPA matches & never had the slightest problem. Details. You don't have them. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:11:17 PM EDT
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Buy with confidence, op. The only real downside is that they multiply like gremlins.....
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:12:21 PM EDT
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Yes because the Glock 19 exist.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:27:37 PM EDT
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They don't understand the fundamental principles behind a heavy DA trigger. Or they just want something to criticize about the pistol. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Double Action is definitely tough. However that's how DA is supposed to be. And you can live your entire life never using DA and only using SA. It was designed to be carried safely in Single action, with the safety on. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:32:29 PM EDT
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Well, HK DID make it super easy to go from safe to decock by accident, so there's that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Double Action is definitely tough. However that's how DA is supposed to be. And you can live your entire life never using DA and only using SA. It was designed to be carried safely in Single action, with the safety on. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. Link |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:39:22 PM EDT
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What point was when "they couldn't be given away"? I've sold guns full or part-time for 30 years & have NEVER seen, experienced or even HEARD of this. So............ tell us, WHEN was it? What parts were breaking on the po-po's guns? Give us some details. I've shot mine in IDPA matches & never had the slightest problem. Details. You don't have them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The HK fanbois will never admit this was an issue. At one point in history a gunstore couldn't give a USP away. I saw one at a super low price and talked to an armorer. He said run away. A local PD dumped theirs because they were breaking and no parts could be found. What parts were breaking on the po-po's guns? Give us some details. I've shot mine in IDPA matches & never had the slightest problem. Details. You don't have them. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:40:07 PM EDT
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Actually all you have to do to make a USP single action only with no decock is switch out the detent plate, which takes 30 seconds and costs $10. Link Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Double Action is definitely tough. However that's how DA is supposed to be. And you can live your entire life never using DA and only using SA. It was designed to be carried safely in Single action, with the safety on. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. Link |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:40:56 PM EDT
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i might know where a USP45T is for sale
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:45:07 PM EDT
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Oh, I know; I just prefer a separate lever for the separate function (I also know that makes the gun really 'busy' --it's...a conundrum) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Double Action is definitely tough. However that's how DA is supposed to be. And you can live your entire life never using DA and only using SA. It was designed to be carried safely in Single action, with the safety on. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. Link |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:48:33 PM EDT
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How could any self respecting gun owner not have at least one USP45?
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Posted: 1/10/2019 7:58:59 PM EDT
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I've had a pair of USP 45's for twenty years. They are my all time favorite 45 ACP handguns. The LEM trigger rocks for defensive use - get it.
Reliability is awesome: I have yet to have a malf. Accuracy is all you could ask for. Mag price SUCKS. Holsters and mag pouches are an expensive PITA to acquire. The "universal" rail ISN'T. I think it's GG&G (???) that makes the adapter to mount normal lights. It's an "O.K" compromise. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:00:48 PM EDT
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Had USP’s in 9mm and .45, a P2000 and an HK45CT. None did anything better than my Glocks and were waaayyyyy bigger.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:13:19 PM EDT
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They don't understand the fundamental principles behind a heavy DA trigger. Or they just want something to criticize about the pistol. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Double Action is definitely tough. However that's how DA is supposed to be. And you can live your entire life never using DA and only using SA. It was designed to be carried safely in Single action, with the safety on. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. I was very excited about the gun when I got it, but it ended up being one of those things I can't recommend someone else purchase without trying it out first. If you also take into account size and cost, the pistol is simply becoming a bit dated. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:17:24 PM EDT
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The Double Action is definitely tough. However that's how DA is supposed to be. And you can live your entire life never using DA and only using SA. It was designed to be carried safely in Single action, with the safety on. Yeah it's a non factor. If you hate the Doubke action, don't use it. The USP can be used in many ways. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head saying you must use the DA trigger. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:29:46 PM EDT
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I have 3 USPs. Triggers are fine, and just as good as my Sigs and Beretta. Better trigger than my CZSP01, which has a shit trigger, but shoots like a laser.
They’re built like brick shithouses. I’ve said it before. If HK made the USP with a picatinny rail, they’d sell like hot cakes. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You say this as if I don't have other pistols. DA/SA is my preferred configuration. The USP just has a spongy pull with a vague breaking point. I was very excited about the gun when I got it, but it ended up being one of those things I can't recommend someone else purchase without trying it out first. If you also take into account size and cost, the pistol is simply becoming a bit dated. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've literally never accidentally decocked my USPs, HK45CT, or FNX Tactical for that matter. I've exclusively used them all cocked and locked. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:50:41 PM EDT
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Have a beater police trade in USP 40 as a truck gun. It's alright, carry my Glocks.
My brother has a USP 45 tactical. First time I shot it, I thought the trigger was broken. 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:53:43 PM EDT
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I need the USP Expert in .45
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:55:28 PM EDT
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The HK USP Tactical .45ACP is probably the best .45 out there. Period. The spare mags are the problem. Cost $$ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are the triggers? The spare mags are the problem. Cost $$ |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 8:59:06 PM EDT
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Retarded statement by someone who doesn't own one and likely never has, mostly due to being poor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:02:25 PM EDT
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HK fan here and I already stated this WAS an issue of the past. The HK haters will never accept that times have changed and that customer service for HK is actually rather good now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:03:55 PM EDT
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How are the triggers? Or do as I do and buy both. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:08:11 PM EDT
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Had a number of them, switched to Glock. NOT going back to HK.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:26:28 PM EDT
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Time can change again if HK Corp finds big contract in Europe...or even if the political situation in Germany or the EU changes. HK Corp going stupid should be the concern. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:29:12 PM EDT
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i carry it for a living sux flat out sux trigger horrible as compared to glock, colt, beretta (best to good in that order) carried those others for a living, for the past four decades Go to bed |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:31:36 PM EDT
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Out of my 50 or so handguns it is one of the top two triggers on any of them.
It's a joy to shoot. 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:34:30 PM EDT
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Out of my 50 or so handguns it is one of the top two triggers on any of them. It's a joy to shoot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/331642/uspfnx-403420.jpg The haters seriously are just looking for something to not like. Because they can't say it isn't very accurate or not reliable. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 9:35:32 PM EDT
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They are tough, reliable, accurate, and beefy. I couldn’t ever shoot it well, but many others can. Get one and try it out.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 10:26:15 PM EDT
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Yes because the Glock 19 exist. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:24:21 PM EDT
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I can't recommend ANY pistol to anybody without them first trying it. Pistols are such a unique thing for each individual person. In the spirit of giving the gun a second chance, I'm looking for a match trigger kit for it. Unfortunately they are out of stock everywhere. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:37:01 PM EDT
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I would have no issue telling someone to get an M9, CZ75, Sig, G19. They aren't all my cup of tea, but at least you get what you paid for. In the spirit of giving the gun a second chance, I'm looking for a match trigger kit for it. Unfortunately they are out of stock everywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't recommend ANY pistol to anybody without them first trying it. Pistols are such a unique thing for each individual person. In the spirit of giving the gun a second chance, I'm looking for a match trigger kit for it. Unfortunately they are out of stock everywhere. http://allstatepolice.com/216169R-Match-Trigger-Kit-fullsize-USP-only-AllState-Police |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:43:52 PM EDT
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It boggles my mind that people can bemoan the USP trigger yet in the same sentence praise the Glock trigger.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:44:08 PM EDT
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Before buying the USP. I was fully expecting it to have a horribly bad trigger. I was really surprised how good it was, with all the hate out there. The haters seriously are just looking for something to not like. Because they can't say it isn't very accurate or not reliable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Out of my 50 or so handguns it is one of the top two triggers on any of them. It's a joy to shoot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/331642/uspfnx-403420.jpg The haters seriously are just looking for something to not like. Because they can't say it isn't very accurate or not reliable. |
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