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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:30:27 AM EDT
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@armyinfantryvet Thank you for all the info. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@nightdh  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ZbFh3jW8g
OP, you should watch this. Glock is just as good as a USP.  That's as dumb as the old arguments that Bushmaster was as good as Colt.Thank you for all the info. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:35:30 AM EDT
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How are the triggers? |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 5:31:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most disappointing pistol I ever bought. Terrible trigger and tiny mag capacity for the size. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 5:45:07 PM EDT
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I think a USP was the third gun I ever bought. I loved it but came to love Walthers more. Walthers are cheaper and have better triggers. But I still have a P30L and a VP9, mostly because I got really good deals on them. But IMHO my Gen 2 PPQL and P99s are better, and have amazing triggers.
But nothing wrong with the USP. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 9:38:28 PM EDT
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Then tell us what pistols you DO think are the best? |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 9:46:47 PM EDT
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Actions By "T" fixed the trigger issue on my USP45c, and Bar-Sto Precision made it more interesting with a .40 Super barrel. If the bullet didn't get ya, the giant flamethrower from the unburnt powder would.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 9:52:56 PM EDT
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I'm a fan of variety. But, in general, CZ make some of the best triggers and total package guns I've come across. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then tell us what pistols you DO think are the best? I prefer a hammer fired gun but love the manual of arms of a no safety striker gun. That’s what makes the LEM my dream setup. As far a stock pistol with no mods at all the VP9, PPK are about the best on a under 1k pistol. The P-10c and M&P 2.0 aren’t bad |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 9:57:05 PM EDT
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Reason not to buy a USP? Yeah, I could go buy 2 Glocks for the price of one USP.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:03:46 PM EDT
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Skip the USP. P30 is an all around better gun. The P30 V1 Lite LEM is an excellent pistol.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:05:49 PM EDT
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I would never buy a USP. I find them to be less ergonomic than even a Glock, recoil impulse is snappy in all calibers I've shot, and also their triggers aren't great (but now awful).
Now a P30, VP9, HK45 or Mark 23 might be pistols I'd purchase. But mags and guns are generally all very costly. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:12:25 PM EDT
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I always find it weird when people complain about the cost of a pistol, especially if it’s a low couple hundred dollars different than the one they hold up as the better value. Like, that’s nothing compared to the cost of practice ammo. That price difference is the cost of one or two range sessions.
^The above assumes that GD actually shoots enough for ammunition expenses to matter. Usually that’s a foolish assumption. I agree there are pistols that are significantly cheaper for LARPing. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:13:58 PM EDT
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I've had 2 USPs bought in 1994. More recently, A full size, and two compact Walther P99s, and one HK P30sk.
Each has some great features. Find what suits you, or adapt to what you have. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:22:42 PM EDT
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I always find it weird when people complain about the cost of a pistol, especially if it’s a low couple hundred dollars different than the one they hold up as the better value. Like, that’s nothing compared to the cost of practice ammo. That price difference is the cost of one or two range sessions. ^The above assumes that GD actually shoots enough for ammunition expenses to matter. Usually that’s a foolish assumption. I agree there are pistols that are significantly cheaper for LARPing. Add in a half dozen magazines, belt, holster, ear and eye protection, a few cases of ammo, a range membership, and some professional training, and surprise! It costs the same to master a good pistol as it does to make do with the cheapest piece of shit you can find. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:29:46 PM EDT
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Here's an update. I went against the HK only due to all the mentions of size. I haven't held one but for as many times y'all said they're big I'm assuming they are slightly bigger than large frame Glocks. My G40 is the largest handgun grip I care to own. So here's the pair I bought, out the door for less than a grand.
 Attached FileI really, really, really can't wait to shoot this CZ Omega SR. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:29:55 PM EDT
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There are a bunch of custom Glocks that cost over 2k to purchase. HK doesn't have the market cornered on expensive pistols.
And you can get USPs in the 500 dollar range. It's not like you're purchasing a competition gun. lol BY THE WAY. The pistol would be cheap compared to the cost of the ammo you'll be spending to shoot through it. A 500 dollar difference is minuscule to when you're buying thousands of pistol rounds. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:44:52 PM EDT
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My lgs has 2 Usp 40s used for under $500. I have no use for a 40 , but reading this thread rekindled an old fire, and I "might" have a use for a Usp in 10mm.
So I went to pick one up yesterday, and lo and behold, they got in a used HK45c in lem for under $600. Looks unfired. I'm so fuckin weak.   Attached FileLooks like the 10mm conversion will have to wait. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:47:30 PM EDT
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Good choice, OP.
Don't forget to post your AAR. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:49:16 PM EDT
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Here's an update. I went against the HK only due to all the mentions of size. I haven't held one but for as many times y'all said they're big I'm assuming they are slightly bigger than large frame Glocks. My G40 is the largest handgun grip I care to own. So here's the pair I bought, out the door for less than a grand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191323/D206CA32-1718-49D3-84CD-2526BF5B5C06_jpeg-804440.JPG I really, really, really can't wait to shoot this CZ Omega SR. 
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:49:41 PM EDT
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My lgs has 2 Usp 40s used for under $500. I have no use for a 40 , but reading this thread rekindled an old fire, and I "might" have a use for a Usp in 10mm. So I went to pick one up yesterday, and lo and behold, they got in a used HK45c in lem for under $600. Looks unfired. I'm so fuckin weak. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/112774/20190112_214525_jpg-805894.JPG 
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:06:41 PM EDT
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But, in general, CZ make some of the best triggers and total package guns I've come across. 
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:08:07 PM EDT
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Reason not to buy a USP? Yeah, I could go buy 2 Glocks for the price of one USP. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:11:51 PM EDT
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My lgs has 2 Usp 40s used for under $500. I have no use for a 40 , but reading this thread rekindled an old fire, and I "might" have a use for a Usp in 10mm. So I went to pick one up yesterday, and lo and behold, they got in a used HK45c in lem for under $600. Looks unfired. I'm so fuckin weak. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/112774/20190112_214525_jpg-805894.JPG Looks like the 10mm conversion will have to wait. 
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:12:51 PM EDT
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So you bought all three?
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My lgs has 2 Usp 40s used for under $500. I have no use for a 40 , but reading this thread rekindled an old fire, and I "might" have a use for a Usp in 10mm. So I went to pick one up yesterday, and lo and behold, they got in a used HK45c in lem for under $600. Looks unfired. I'm so fuckin weak. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/112774/20190112_214525_jpg-805894.JPG
ETA Snuck that pic in Not yet. I havent had time for a new family pic yet, though. 
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:14:42 PM EDT
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That is great deal. If you decide you don't like it, let me know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My lgs has 2 Usp 40s used for under $500. I have no use for a 40 , but reading this thread rekindled an old fire, and I "might" have a use for a Usp in 10mm. So I went to pick one up yesterday, and lo and behold, they got in a used HK45c in lem for under $600. Looks unfired. I'm so fuckin weak. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/112774/20190112_214525_jpg-805894.JPG Looks like the 10mm conversion will have to wait. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:18:00 PM EDT
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Reason not to buy a USP? Yeah, I could go buy 2 Glocks for the price of one USP. Quoted:
Here's an update. I went against the HK only due to all the mentions of size. I haven't held one but for as many times y'all said they're big I'm assuming they are slightly bigger than large frame Glocks. My G40 is the largest handgun grip I care to own. So here's the pair I bought, out the door for less than a grand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191323/D206CA32-1718-49D3-84CD-2526BF5B5C06_jpeg-804440.JPG I really, really, really can't wait to shoot this CZ Omega SR. The P30 will probably be my next purchase, that grip is just a perfect fit. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:29:34 PM EDT
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Glock 21, 10 extra mags and a case of ammo. My preference would be to spend a tad bit more for a Dan Wesson 1911. $1k for a mass produced polymer pistol? No way. Glock 23 police trade for less than $400. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too broad a question. There is a difference between a USPc9 and a USPT45. A lot. There are a lot of USPs and they are all made for a specific use. So if someone were to compare a USPc9 with an LEM to a G26, that would be a fair comparison. For $1000, name me something as rugged, reliable and accurate than a USPT45. Name me a better value than a police trade in USP 40 for $400. No reason not to buy a USP. At all. Glock 23 police trade for less than $400. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:29:47 PM EDT
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Reason not to buy a USP? Yeah, I could go buy 2 Glocks for the price of one USP. Instead I bought a USP Tactical, and $1000 worth of mags and ammo. Why? Because it's what I wanted to do. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:35:03 PM EDT
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My new USP is a beautiful German goddess, I get hard just looking at it.
When I put my hands around it, I immediately need a change of pants. I named her Heidi. Also, for those saying the trigger sucks: Bullshit. SA Trigger is just slightly inferior to my 92FS trigger. I like it. I don't use DA. Way better than ANY Glock trigger. And for those saying it's too big: It is a somewhat large handgun. But the grip is noticeably smaller than the large framed Glocks. Fits my medium hands great. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using your "logic", one could buy 8-9 Hi-Points for one USP. What's your point? |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:42:32 PM EDT
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I’m gonna be honest here...I was not initially a fan of the HK USP series. I had owned an HK USP 45 Tactical and shot my dad’s USP 45. There were multiple failures to feed and failures to eject. I sold my USP 45 Tactical and didn’t look back....
Until I picked up a Mark 23 My original thread Revisited Mark 23 after shooting with suppressor Until, I finally picked up one of my grail guns last year...an HK Mark 23....after shooting it suppressed and unsuppressed, I’ve developed a new affinity for the HK USP series. I’ve since acquired and shot a USP9 Tactical and a USP45 Compact Stainless and loved them both, as they were tack drivers and functioned flawlessly. I’m currently striving to acquire all variants of the USP in 9 and 45 before they become unobtainable. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:51:59 PM EDT
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Mine shot great, noticeably less felt recoul, that said, the ergonomics were slightly too large.
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:54:16 AM EDT
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I’m gonna be honest here...I was not initially a fan of the HK USP series. I had owned an HK USP 45 Tactical and shot my dad’s USP 45. There were multiple failures to feed and failures to eject. I sold my USP 45 Tactical and didn’t look back.... Until I picked up a Mark 23 My original thread Revisited Mark 23 after shooting with suppressor Until, I finally picked up one of my grail guns last year...an HK Mark 23....after shooting it suppressed and unsuppressed, I’ve developed a new affinity for the HK USP series. I’ve since acquired and shot a USP9 Tactical and a USP45 Compact Stainless and loved them both, as they were tack drivers and functioned flawlessly. I’m currently striving to acquire all variants of the USP in 9 and 45 before they become unobtainable. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 7:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I loke my Mark 23. It's a huge brick with a tiny capacity, but it shoots well. Note - that work...this excludes Para.
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:20:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many other 45s that work have 12+1 or more? Note - that work...this excludes Para. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:31:11 AM EDT
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How many other 45s that work have 12+1 or more? |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:37:26 AM EDT
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The only two that come to mind are the Glock 21 and the USP 45. I love my HK45, but it only holds 10 in the mag. G21 is 13+1 in a standard mag. Both the USP and the G21 are solid choices, and I have both. I think the USP is softer shooting due to the compound recoil spring. It is also significantly easier to work the slide (that matters for women or older men who lack hand strength). Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How many other 45s that work have 12+1 or more? Note - that work...this excludes Para. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:41:35 AM EDT
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My lgs has 2 Usp 40s used for under $500. I have no use for a 40 , but reading this thread rekindled an old fire, and I "might" have a use for a Usp in 10mm. So I went to pick one up yesterday, and lo and behold, they got in a used HK45c in lem for under $600. Looks unfired. I'm so fuckin weak. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/112774/20190112_214525_jpg-805894.JPG Looks like the 10mm conversion will have to wait. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:42:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many other 45s that work have 12+1 or more? Note - that work...this excludes Para.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:49:49 AM EDT
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The FN FNX is 15+1 and smaller. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80189/Resized_20181006_163619_7260_jpg-806387.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/13/2019 12:15:32 PM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/JniNRvf.jpg (Word to the wise; STI mags don't care for flat-nose S&B 10mm bullets, unless there's some trick to make them raise their nose more reliably while feeding upward) |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:28:19 PM EDT
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The FNX grip gets soft and flexible just sitting out in sunlight, Trigger is horrendous, and there is literally zero aftermarket support or parts availability from FN. I've owned one and that's a hard Pass Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: How many other 45s that work have 12+1 or more? Note - that work...this excludes Para. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80189/Resized_20181006_163619_7260_jpg-806387.JPG My trigger on my FNX Tactical is not in the same league as my USP Tactical, but I wouldn’t call it bad, let alone horrendous. I agree there is not aftermarket support. Luckily it already comes with premium sights, interchangeable back straps, an RMR cut, and a threaded barrel. There’s not much I’d trade out. I’d just as soon a nicer trigger, but mine has never left me wanting in terms of being able to shoot precise with it. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:30:02 PM EDT
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The FNX grip gets soft and flexible just sitting out in sunlight, Trigger is horrendous, and there is literally zero aftermarket support or parts availability from FN. I've owned one and that's a hard Pass Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: How many other 45s that work have 12+1 or more? Note - that work...this excludes Para. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80189/Resized_20181006_163619_7260_jpg-806387.JPG
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:32:24 PM EDT
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They keep trying to fix the FNP/FNS/FNX/FNwhatever-letter-they-want-to-add-this-week pistol. That thing has all kinds of issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:48:51 PM EDT
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My new USP is a beautiful German goddess, I get hard just looking at it. When I put my hands around it, I immediately need a change of pants. I named her Heidi. Also, for those saying the trigger sucks: Bullshit. SA Trigger is just slightly inferior to my 92FS trigger. I like it. I don't use DA. Way better than ANY Glock trigger. And for those saying it's too big: It is a somewhat large handgun. But the grip is noticeably smaller than the large framed Glocks. Fits my medium hands great. People just love to hate HK. It's like with anything that becomes big and popular. It becomes cool and edgy to hate it. Just like how Magpul used to be the company everybody loved. Now that Magpul is a big dog, it's now cool to hate them. Or like how music bands that hit the big time, it becomes cool to hate them. Or say you were their fan when they were underground and now they suck. HK also hates civilian sales apparently. Even though HK was the only company that fought against the 1989 reinterpretation of the Sporting purpose clause of the 1968 gun control act. Which included importation of foreign "assault weapons". THE ONLY ONE, every other gun company went along with it. Why would HK be against the law if they didn't want to sell "Assault weapons" to law abiding citizens? Meh, I'm just wasting my time probably writing that. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:53:23 PM EDT
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Yeah, it's a big exaggeration to say the HK USP trigger sucks compared to ANY striker gun with a stock trigger. It's likely there isn't single hammer fired pistol on the planet, using it's single action function; with an inferior trigger to a striker fired gun. Lieing ass mother fuckers, lol. People just love to hate HK. It's like with anything that becomes big and popular. It becomes cool and edgy to hate it. Just like how Magpul used to be the company everybody loved. Now that Magpul is a big dog, it's now cool to hate them. Or like how music bands that hit the big time, it becomes cool to hate them. Or say you were their fan when they were underground and now they suck. HK also hates civilian sales apparently. Even though HK was the only company that fought against the 1989 reinterpretation of the Sporting purpose clause of the 1968 gun control act to include importation of foreign "assault weapons". THE ONLY ONE, every other gun company went along with it. Why would HK be against the law if they didn't want to sell "Assault weapons" to law abiding citizens? Meh, I'm just wasting my time probably writing that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My new USP is a beautiful German goddess, I get hard just looking at it. When I put my hands around it, I immediately need a change of pants. I named her Heidi. Also, for those saying the trigger sucks: Bullshit. SA Trigger is just slightly inferior to my 92FS trigger. I like it. I don't use DA. Way better than ANY Glock trigger. And for those saying it's too big: It is a somewhat large handgun. But the grip is noticeably smaller than the large framed Glocks. Fits my medium hands great. People just love to hate HK. It's like with anything that becomes big and popular. It becomes cool and edgy to hate it. Just like how Magpul used to be the company everybody loved. Now that Magpul is a big dog, it's now cool to hate them. Or like how music bands that hit the big time, it becomes cool to hate them. Or say you were their fan when they were underground and now they suck. HK also hates civilian sales apparently. Even though HK was the only company that fought against the 1989 reinterpretation of the Sporting purpose clause of the 1968 gun control act to include importation of foreign "assault weapons". THE ONLY ONE, every other gun company went along with it. Why would HK be against the law if they didn't want to sell "Assault weapons" to law abiding citizens? Meh, I'm just wasting my time probably writing that. 
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Posted: 1/13/2019 5:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dont worry about trying to convert the glock folks. At the end of the day, you'll have all your fingers, long after thier grenades go off. 
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Posted: 1/13/2019 6:02:23 PM EDT
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I love to hear complaints by "Men" about how the HK USP is too big. 
My old lady is 5'2" 130 lbs and absolutely loves shooting my USP .45 Tactical and has zero problems handling it; whatsoever. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84024/AbPistol_jpg-804536.JPG |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 6:15:36 PM EDT
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I visited two LGSes today, checked out the USPc, the HK45, the VP9. They seemed cool. One place told me the HK45 is basically a USP with a picatinny rail and different-shaped grip. Not sure how valid that is. I'd love an HK45 even thought I prefer striker-fired pistols, but the price was over $1100
Then I check out the Glock G41 (longslide .45Auto) versus the Glock G40 (loooongslide 10mm). Holy shit the G40 slide is a BEAST compared to the G41. Much more overbuilt. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 6:16:55 PM EDT
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I visited two LGSes today, checked out the USPc, the HK45, the VP9. They seemed cool. One place told me the HK45 is basically a USP with a picatinny rail and different-shaped grip. Not sure how valid that is. I'd love an HK45 even thought I prefer striker-fired pistols, but the price was over $1100
Then I check out the Glock G41 (longslide .45Auto) versus the Glock G40 (loooongslide 10mm). Holy shit the G40 slide is a BEAST compared to the G41. Much more overbuilt. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 6:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check EuroOptic. Merican made H45 for $675 ish. I'm hunting for an HK45CT, myself. The HK45 basically has the USP action. It has the same trigger system and options. Mine has over 1k rounds and has never had a malfunction. With the light LEM trigger it might be the perfect 45. |
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