No kidding, we've been asking for these rules changes for years.

People have been complaining about uneven moderation and no way to appeal since I first joined.

And every time_somone jumps in a thread and makes it all about them the common refrain is "why don't the mods do something about these trolls?"

Well, now they're doing something about it.

When a place makes up new rules to cover up shitty enforcement of the old rules its never a good sign.

We'll see if ARF breaks the chain.

New rules or not, GD isn’t getting any better.

Most "other sites" in the firearms communities are garbage piles anyway.  Most are too tight a focus on a subject, so you end up with an insular crowd that is happy to engage in a continuous circle jerk/echo chamber.  I'd say AKFiles and TheAKForum are probably the best of the other firearms sites that I peruse anymore.  They have general discussion areas, but the membership doesn't get out of control.  I don't participate on TOS.

One of the best approaches I've seen is how Something Awful does it.  Or at least, used to do it, I'm not active over there anymore.  They were a General Bullshit forum where it was pretty tightly moderated and you could get banned for breaking the rules.  They added FYAD (Fuck You And Die) later on to have the edgier/anarchic discussion area.  Fairly hands off, post-at-your-own-risk, anything goes.  I guess folks wanted more happy anarchy, so they added BYOB after that, which was lighter in tone but still without all the rules.  Folks gravitated to where they were happiest posting.  Stuff would leak (GB2GBS!), but then you got banned for it so it was pretty self-regulating at some point.

Their banning system worked differently than ours, where you could get a timeout for X hours/days for breaking the rules, or it could upgrade to a ban for a more serious infraction or repeated minor ones.  For $20, the cost of creatign an account, you could unban yourself.  Go ahead, be an asshole, but it'll cost you.  Any site upgrades that you purchased would get reset with a ban as well, so you'd have to re-buy those as well.  Eventually if you couldn't cope with the rules or just existed to disrupt the site, you were hit with a permaban where you're gone, done, finito.  There were also special bans for special problems like hellbans.  You didn't want that.    I felt like the system worked pretty well.  In the ten years I was active, I never caught a ban.  Could it work here?  I think so, it puts personal accountability into the users' hands.  Be a dick, it'll cost you $20 everytime.  But then everyone will get all "muh posting entitlement!" and accuse the mods for being unfair and trying to drum up money for the site.

But this isn't SA.  This is ARF.  GD needs cleaned up.  Maybe add an ARFChan forum where anything goes.  Team remains the martinis and monocles area, and GD is the rough-around-the-edges wild west.

You know that report button has been hit on this post an there's serious buthurt.

I hope topics get moved to the right forum.

Got a build question? Move that thread to the armory.

Jesus is awesome! Cool story, thread moved to the religion forum.

I've been around since 01' and this site has gone way downhill.

Before anyone asks, I've been sent overseas a few times and over almost 20 years I never remember my logins after going away for months at a time and I just start a new account.

Yep.

Lol. Apropos.

@goatboy

Why can’t you just make another sub in team area?
You already have a tits and ass forum, you could just make a nsfw Wild West one.
It could be a medium between GD and the pit.

I enjoy arfcom for the shenanigans and would like to see them continue.
You can keep the GD public area snowflake friendly, and the busiest attraction of the site gets to live on.

ETA,
It could also increase revenue for team members.
I don’t pay every year to go to the tech forums.

friendly for all....sounds like SJW communism to me...

Hmm sounds like the same thing McUzi or AntiUSSA would say.

Personally I don’t believe brownels has zero to do with new CoC implementations. Even if they are silent so far it’s understood brownels needs a family friendly environment before they can implement themselves into their investment.

Attacks and CoC violations are not exclusive to gd. Good luck painting a website like this vanilla and retaining the reason it was even attractive for investment in the first place. But that’s usually known going in, and hopes are the balls rolling good enough to make it up the hill ahead.

This happens all the time with websites.

One down!

Or Amanita or Sgtar15 or Hielo. Been a lot of retreads.

I don't think banned members would ever come back.... never.

Ever.

This.
I use to reccomend this place to new shooters and friends,  but quit doing that a long time ago.

It's a great place for new shooters to learn...just stay in the tech forums.

IDGAF

People who act like toddlers be mad when they get treated like toddlers.

If people could act like adults, there would be no need for a COC or moderators.

You’ll get this and like it.

Anyone who has been here long enough knows this website has been going downhill for a while now.  I'm sure this new Brownells COC will just be another step in the wrong direction.

Posting on an internet discussion forum is only a mild form of entertainment and should never be taken seriously.

The thing about ARFCOM is that it has such a large membership that you get all kinds of people posting.  Idiots, smart people, clowns, serious, etc.

Some people want to troll, others want a serious discussion and others just want to clown around.

I mean we have had multiple 20 page threads on if chili should have beans in it or not.  Really?

Moderating this site is probably like herding cats.

Change in CoC may result in my requiring a pro-rated refund on my site membership. Depends on how they handle things.

Not really a change to the rules - just better application and an appeal process, with more Mods sharing the burden.

Don't see any real issues.

Those are probably the most conniving and backstabbing people you’ll ever meet.

GD would do well to engage in the politic that happens at gram grams knitting circle.

GD is turning into a safe space.  No surprise there.

So the site attempting to improve moderation, setting up a better appeals process for those who get in trouble, and attempt to better control the commies and trolls is a bad thing?

The only issue I see with it is that the only person that should be able to report an insult is the one that the insult is directed at.

Why so serious? GD is a step above 4chan. I honestly read most threads for hilarious replies. Insults can be funny.

You can stop at any time now, the powers to be know you want to be a mod. The butt smooching is a bit obvious.

Does Midwayusa have a forum?

The timing of all this sure is interesting. A coincidence? Perhaps. But man, doesn’t look good.

Taking the GD out of GD is gonna make it better?

Mmmmmmk

AR14+1.com should be live next week.

That appeal is a losing proposition.

So sorry for hurting anyone's feelz.

Can we have a monthly, Survivor-style "vote them off the island" rule?

Nope. I refuse to believe you. No way this didn't happen overnight on Brownell's orders.

Political Correctness Police already being brought in. Nobody saw that coming

Well that's it, Brownells is going to run the place into the ground. Per Zhukov. Thanks, man for letting us know the real reason.

GD =/= Logic

I wonder if this means I can't post Rogueboss meme's anymore?

Ive got a great new one I haven't had a good opportunity to use yet.  

I shit post too much to be a mod. Not happening.

I'm sure it's intended to be a change for the better and I hope it turns out that way.

But if not, there are other forums. Also, forum software is free and hosting is cheap. It might even be lucrative if Big Brother scares or pisses off enough of the other advertisers.