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Posted: 12/27/2022 11:37:11 PM EDT
[#1]
I think it depends on state.
That is a failure to disclose. However, that particular system [exterior water pipes] may not specifically be mentioned or not enough mention to jog the seller’s memory. You may have recourse for failure to disclose. You may be better trying to negotiate some sort of split payment with the seller. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 11:41:32 PM EDT
[#2]
But I want to sue somebody now!!
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Posted: 12/27/2022 11:45:16 PM EDT
[#3]
Buddy if you wanted house with warranty, you should have bought new home.
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Posted: 12/27/2022 11:52:13 PM EDT
[#4]
LOL... I've got 1200 feet of PVC between the road and my house. I'm pretty sure its coming up on about 25 years old now. I did have to fix one leak a couple years ago where it ran down the back side of a terrace and developed a pinhole at a joint. Finding a leak on a 1200 foot line that has not come to the surface is no fun... but I'll spend a little time with a shovel before I'll spend $1400 to have someone else do it.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 12:28:52 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Contact a real estate lawyer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's going to be a whole lot of "it depends". Starting with, what are the Oklahoma specific real estate disclosure laws? Is the house in a municipality that has local jurisdiction on disclosures? Last, off the top of my head, did you buy it from the guy or the estate? Because the road is much harder if it's from a now closed estate. the estate is still open The lawyer would cost him more than replacing the water line himself. Rent a ditch witch for 1/2 A day and buy the pipe, fittings and glue at HD or Lowes. My 125 feet water line is PVC. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 12:40:34 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. The new owners want to know how you lay pipe. Disclose everything  I would be careful with requests, he might be one of those that likes to show you personally. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 2:00:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The parts in bold are why the title company got involved because all that affects the title. A crappily repaired buried water line in the utility easement that is 100% on the OP's property is not a title problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm quite certain it was the title insurance company since the problem began when I had a survey done and figured out my neighbors septic drain field and well were actually on my land, but behind his fence. He fenced in .65 acres of property that didn't belong to him and then sold the property without disclosing it 20 years ago. There was an undisclosed buried power line with no paperwork and the illegally modified septic system also He also was able to get a loan from a bank using the property as collateral ,12 years after he sold it. The parts in bold are why the title company got involved because all that affects the title. A crappily repaired buried water line in the utility easement that is 100% on the OP's property is not a title problem. @Bubbles They got involved because it was covered by my policy. The septic was entirely unrelated to the title issues, they paid out $25k for that because it was covered by the policy. His "title insurance" policy may cover more than title issues. Every time this comes up , GD says the same thing without knowing what the insurance actually covers or excludes.. Ask your title insurance , it may be covered. If its not, then go with Plan B. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:25:53 AM EDT
[#8]
OP is there any chance we can see what all was done? As a plumber I’m always curious what others charge. On paper, $1400 just to dig up and fix 1 bad section seems grossly absurd. But, there is always variables. Like water service is deep,had to bring in equipment, bad sticky clay and having to trace down leak because water doesn't always boil straight up above the leak, it sometimes travels before surfacing.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:29:54 AM EDT
[#9]
1 1/2 is way overkill for a residence.
I would slide a 3/4 black cold water pipe inside the previous too large PVC to avoid having to dig it all up. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:38:29 AM EDT
[#10]
75 yards is a looong way to snake pex through without a pull string. I’ve never snaked that far but I’m thinking it wont do it by just pushing.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:45:26 AM EDT
[#11]
Guns aren't the only thing that get Bubba'd. Welcome to home ownership, pal.
"Pop installed it", isn't an admission of anything. Pop probably fixed and installed many things. Unless the seller had knowledge that something was wrong and failed to disclose it, I don't see any liability on them. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:51:26 AM EDT
[#12]
Does the state/municipality require the work to done by a drainlayer or plumber?
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:55:24 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who in their right mind would use PVC for anything other than drain waste or vent pipe? Water companies. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:59:23 AM EDT
[#14]
Oh noez! A homeowner did work on his own house!
Oh, the huge manatees! |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:11:19 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 75 yards is a looong way to snake pex through without a pull string. I’ve never snaked that far but I’m thinking it wont do it by just pushing. I ran a 110' of 1 1/2" PVC conduit to a RV pedestal. No fish tape that long so I used a rope, a carefully sized wad of blue shop towel and a shop vac to get the rope through the conduit. Rather odd that OP's water line was run in 1 1/2" which leads me to believe a previous posted was correct in saying that it is probably DWV grade pipe and fittings. As to those questioning the use of PVC for water service, it works fine, especially after one prices out 1" copper pipe and fittings. I just piped a water softener and an iron filter with all PVC. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:12:20 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes you have recourse, the seller is required to disclose. They admitted they knew and failed to disclose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes you have recourse, the seller is required to disclose. They admitted they knew and failed to disclose. Can you post up a property disclosure from OP’s state so we can see where it says un-permitted /diy repairs need to be disclosed? Quoted: I think it depends on state. That is a failure to disclose. However, that particular system [exterior water pipes] may not specifically be mentioned or not enough mention to jog the seller’s memory. You may have recourse for failure to disclose. You may be better trying to negotiate some sort of split payment with the seller. Typically you only have to disclose known defects, so if it was working at the time of sale…they were under no obligation to disclose. Now each state is different so OP’s may require diy repairs/work to be disclosed. But it’s highly unlikely, as I’ve never heard of any state’s property disclosure laws get that vague/broad. Now here in VA, if seller advertised the fact the water lines were replaced that opens up a possible avenue. Here if you’re advertising something as new, the assumption is that it was professionally repaired or replaced. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:16:33 AM EDT
[#17]
Is it illegal to replace your water line or merely unadvisable?
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:19:51 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you post up a property disclosure from OP’s state so we can see where it says un-permitted /diy repairs need to be disclosed? My wife is getting out the paperwork Doing repairs is not a big deal But the breathless mouthbreathers posting on here dont seem to understand the previous owner had not fucking clue how to even chemically weld pipe together The joints didn't stick, idiots 
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:20:22 AM EDT
[#19]
 Just repair it or get someone to do it, people do this kind of repair or replacement all the time. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:20:39 AM EDT
[#20]
Rent a ditch witch and have the pipe replaced in 1 day.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:55:04 AM EDT
[#21]
As someone who "found' $40k worth of problems in a house that I'd owned for 8 months (that passed inspection with flying colors)...you're fucked. Just have it replaced and move on with your life.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:02:19 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It breaks, all the time. I hate it. Gasketed mainline waterline pipe is fine since it can compensate for deflection and movement and the pipe is thicker. I've replaced thousands of feet of glued PVC on places I've lived all with PEX, copper or Poly pipe. You have a joint every 10 to 20 feet that can break if the ground moves, a excavator walks nearby or it's near a rock since pipe itself is brittle. The only place I'd ever put glued PVC pipe is a utility type building that can handle some water damage. PVC pipe is supposed to be bedded... |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:06:35 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only all water municipalities. Yea, if your on city water it travels through pvc. ...ductile iron, or steel, or fiberglass, or asbestos cement, or even wood (sad but true). |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:08:13 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quite a few don't use PVC and have never. .... actually it's poorly run idiots that don't know better still using PVC....this isn't 1985 anymore. Nothing wrong with PVC... better than HDPE. I'd still install ductile though. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:09:45 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are disclosure laws depending on your state. Who the fuck uses pvc for a main? When I built my house I installed an 1 1/4" copper main. Direct burial copper? The fuck? |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:13:40 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP - if you do hire a lawyer to pursue this, please come back when its all over and honestly tell us how it comes out, particularly in terms of how much you had to pay the lawyer to pursue a $1400 claim This is what I’m wondering, how much more is going to be spent on the legal aspect verse just rolling up your sleeves and getting dirty. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:15:10 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sch 40 pvc is standard for water line here. What's wrong with it? What state is GEO? |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:15:21 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your nuts. I watch 8” installed all the time. Your water goes thriough pvc at some point. And water municipalities dont put in their water mains, the lowest bidder does. Like many things... depends on the municipality/utility. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:17:41 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife is getting out the paperwork Doing repairs is not a big deal But the breathless mouthbreathers posting on here dont seem to understand the previous owner had not fucking clue how to even chemically weld pipe together The joints didn't stick, idiots Honestly, just reach out here: https://oklahoma.gov/orec.html They are the “sanctioning body” for all real estate agents in your state. While they won’t have any “jurisdiction” over your situation (unless a realtor did something wrong), they’ll know the disclosure laws inside and out and can tell you any potential options. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:22:47 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some cities specked out DIP, most were gasket joint C 900 PVC . Recent super high oil prices had many contractors ordering ductile rather than pvc. Generally municipalities have a range of pipe options available. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:25:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s pvc pipe, rent a trencher and fix it. Big deal. That’s what the dead old man did |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:26:54 AM EDT
[#32]
Hire a lawyer. Spend $5-10,000 for him to ultimately tell you it’s on you to fix it. Then call someone and pay them $2,000 to fix it.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:29:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Did not expect this from an 02er.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:31:33 AM EDT
[#34]
Lawyer here- just fix it yourself.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:32:09 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s probably like replacing garage door torsion springs. Thanks for reminding me I need to replace a garage door spring...  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:32:44 AM EDT
[#36]
Do a line locate before you dig any dirt.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:34:27 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I ALWAYS dig up everything utilities related before I buy a home. 
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:35:04 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s what the dead old man did Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s pvc pipe, rent a trencher and fix it. Big deal. That’s what the dead old man did It actually worked out pretty well for the dead guy. 
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:36:41 AM EDT
[#39]
If the line had come loose for the previous owner, guess what he would have done? He would have fixed it again. Now, its your turn. I know its crazy, but the shortage of tradesman has just as much to do with homeowners being too lazy and too dependent to fix shit on their own. Yeah, it sucks that the old man mess ed up, but it happens. Spend a day and a few hundred bucks and fix it.
The shit people whine about. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:41:31 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did not expect this from an 02er. Or a fellow Okie, just fix it OP and move on. It will not be worth your time or money. I paid a guy $275 to just do some trenching for me this summer, about 350 feet. I did my own water lines and electrical and called it good. Home Depot rents a trencher for about $300 for the day. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:42:57 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife is getting out the paperwork Doing repairs is not a big deal But the breathless mouthbreathers posting on here dont seem to understand the previous owner had not fucking clue how to even chemically weld pipe together The joints didn't stick, idiots Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can you post up a property disclosure from OP’s state so we can see where it says un-permitted /diy repairs need to be disclosed? My wife is getting out the paperwork Doing repairs is not a big deal But the breathless mouthbreathers posting on here dont seem to understand the previous owner had not fucking clue how to even chemically weld pipe together The joints didn't stick, idiots The joints DID stick. Until they didn't. You don't know how many years ago the repairs were performed. Sucks but it's like buying "used" anything. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:49:26 AM EDT
[#42]
$300 for a day or so rental of a trencher and a $250 roll of hdpe and a couple fittings to attach each side and you're done.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:51:53 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or a fellow Okie, just fix it OP and move on. It will not be worth your time or money. I paid a guy $275 to just do some trenching for me this summer, about 350 feet. I did my own water lines and electrical and called it good. Home Depot rents a trencher for about $300 for the day. Chain type trencher that will dig 18" is only $164/day at HD here. Deeper burial will require a contractor-grade trencher or a mini-excavator which might run $300/day. A bargain either way for the amount of work that can be done. Not to mention saving a lot of sweat. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:53:01 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chain type trencher that will dig 18" is only $164/day at HD here. Deeper burial will require a contractor-grade trencher or a mini-excavator which might run $300/day. A bargain either way for the amount of work that can be done. Not to mention saving a lot of sweat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or a fellow Okie, just fix it OP and move on. It will not be worth your time or money. I paid a guy $275 to just do some trenching for me this summer, about 350 feet. I did my own water lines and electrical and called it good. Home Depot rents a trencher for about $300 for the day. Chain type trencher that will dig 18" is only $164/day at HD here. Deeper burial will require a contractor-grade trencher or a mini-excavator which might run $300/day. A bargain either way for the amount of work that can be done. Not to mention saving a lot of sweat. From a fellow Okie...that supply line will be less than a foot, probably considerably less. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:53:11 AM EDT
[#45]
Is it an item listed on the Disclosure? (Y) (N)?
Is it specifically listed along with the other boilerplate? Asbestos? Flood? Lead Paint? Ghosts? Shit like that happens when you own a house. It sucks, but you can’t just sue everybody. Not worth the legal fees.  Jerky Boys - Punitive Damages Actually, file a do it yourself suit! The irony alone makes it worth while! |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:03:18 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the joints that leak all look like the pipe pulled free of the pvc weld/glue. the connections are purple, but not good and water is spewing out Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can you expand on this..... I'm curious how you fuck up pvc? the joints that leak all look like the pipe pulled free of the pvc weld/glue. the connections are purple, but not good and water is spewing out lol He probably only used the primer and no cement. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:03:33 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It breaks, all the time. I hate it. Gasketed mainline waterline pipe is fine since it can compensate for deflection and movement and the pipe is thicker. I've replaced thousands of feet of glued PVC on places I've lived all with PEX, copper or Poly pipe. You have a joint every 10 to 20 feet that can break if the ground moves, an excavator walks nearby or it's near a rock since pipe itself is brittle. The only place I'd ever put glued PVC pipe is a utility type building that can handle some water damage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sch 40 pvc is standard for water line here. What's wrong with it? It breaks, all the time. I hate it. Gasketed mainline waterline pipe is fine since it can compensate for deflection and movement and the pipe is thicker. I've replaced thousands of feet of glued PVC on places I've lived all with PEX, copper or Poly pipe. You have a joint every 10 to 20 feet that can break if the ground moves, an excavator walks nearby or it's near a rock since pipe itself is brittle. The only place I'd ever put glued PVC pipe is a utility type building that can handle some water damage. What are you only burying PVC a couple inches under the ground? You do know farms all over the world have been using PVC since the 70’s? We have buried PVC from 24” to 1/2”, sure there is an occasional failure often due to improper winterization. On 500 acres I can count the failures we’ve had on one hand. I can also say that most facilities were done by someone digging through the pipe. I have yet to have a failure from equipment and we have ran D-8’s as well as large excavators over the pipes. I’m not sure why you have issues but it’s leading me to think improper knowledge on proper installation. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:06:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife is getting out the paperwork Doing repairs is not a big deal But the breathless mouthbreathers posting on here dont seem to understand the previous owner had not fucking clue how to even chemically weld pipe together The joints didn't stick, idiots You've actually been given fairly decent advice, especially those saying fix it yourself. Look who you're calling idiots, you prissy little bitch. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:06:54 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From a fellow Okie...that supply line will be less than a foot, probably considerably less. No, everything we've dug up so far was at least 36" deep 36"-48" deep trencher runs about $350/day advertised at UnitedRentals.com The dirt is Stillwater red dirt clay, although there haven't been a lot of rocks and what few have been mostly soft sandstone shale Straight shot from meter to house about 75-yards, no trees or roots to go through. Only one utility crossing it and obvious where the intersection is 75-85 yards total dig, mostly straight shot with one possible turn at 30*-45* angle or slow arc, medium-soft dirt with no obstructions |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:08:03 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People are really ignorant on pvc, huh. Pvc has almost 3x the pressure rating over pex. And yes pex does crack. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445788/15D3512A-C22E-4031-B9B1-A95ACC9B34DC-2651179.jpg There is allot of it here that’s been posted. There is even a post of direct buried copper, if read the post correctly? |
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