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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:10:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. President Trump has been under illegal surveillance for years, and yet they couldn't find anything that could bring him down. Pencil neck schiff kept saying "I have seen evidence," during russiagate, but we now know he lied. We know his taxes are good because both the irs and ny state probably has a dedicated team just to go through his taxes every year trying to find that gotcha. The fact that the "investigators" had to lie, make up evidence, to keep an "investigation" going ought to tell you they are persecuting someone, rather than investigating a crime based on evidence of said crime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In your opinion, how have they not managed to find Trump's crimes after investigating him for 6 years straight? They even forged evidence and STILL couldn't find shit. But now, now they got him! Exactly. President Trump has been under illegal surveillance for years, and yet they couldn't find anything that could bring him down. Pencil neck schiff kept saying "I have seen evidence," during russiagate, but we now know he lied. We know his taxes are good because both the irs and ny state probably has a dedicated team just to go through his taxes every year trying to find that gotcha. The fact that the "investigators" had to lie, make up evidence, to keep an "investigation" going ought to tell you they are persecuting someone, rather than investigating a crime based on evidence of said crime. Every investigation has turned up zilch. What they have proven is that Trump is the cleanest and most honest man to ever set foot in DC. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:10:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an open mind too but they won't let us see the unredacted affidavit so mind is closed. FBI and DOJ are lying thugs. Indeed, the last affidavit for the FISA warrants had fabricated evidence, resulting in a felony conviction for an FBI agent. And note, the now felon wasn't investigated by the FBI - they were all fine with the perjury and lies. It took an outside special council to prosecute that turd and obtain justice. What in the world would make anyone who had two brain cells think the FBI won't lie and commit perjury on this affidavit as well? The KGBI has an much credibility at this point as the Nigeria price that keeps emailing me about all the money that he can't get out of his country. I supposed he could be telling the truth this time ... |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:13:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet he barely won in 2016 and barely lost in 2020 because he lost moderates and swing voters. Trump lost moderates because they were weak and lacked core beliefs. They were pussies who did not like the way he fought back. They lost sight of the fact Trump had to fight the criminal lefts coup against him in the only way he knew how too. The criminal media wanted him destroyed and they were all to happy to lie and twist every almost every word the man said. Russian collusion, the BS racism they accused him of, the first impeachment was a joke on its face, and the second one was because they could and they did not ever care that it was even more baseless then the first. Those assholes have given us what we have today. Every good policy Trump put in place was steamed rolled in months by this dementia ridden lying criminal. By the time this POS Biden is done we will have 10 million more illegals inside the US that are never leaving. I listened to a dip shit guest on Fox the other day that was spewing about how the dems should secure the border in exchange for amnesty for the 11 million illegals in the US. What a fucking joke that this asshole has the balls to still use that number. Oh, and all of the illegal kids coming over will be the next DACA kids the dems will be crying over. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:15:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've always put our nation above individual politicians or political parties. At this point, I don't know which outcome will be the least damaging to America. A corrupted president who is indicted and convicted (and the millions of his supporters who still support him anyway), or a corrupted federal DoJ and Intel community who were weaponized against an innocent president. Either way, I'm hoping for absolute transparency. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:17:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed, the last affidavit for the FISA warrants had fabricated evidence, resulting in a felony conviction for an FBI agent. And note, the now felon wasn't investigated by the FBI - they were all fine with the perjury and lies. It took an outside special council to prosecute that turd and obtain justice. What in the world would make anyone who had two brain cells think the FBI won't lie and commit perjury on this affidavit as well? And he didn't go to jail. He didn't even lose his law license. Until there's real consequences, they won't stop. Agents of the state using their powers to abuse citizens' rights needs to come with life in prison. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:26:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They had a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page. Problem was they falsified documents, and lied on the FISA form to get the warrant, which is one why one of their agents in now a convicted felon. The KGBI is a thoroughly corrupt organization. It was founded by a homosexual transvestite, who used the immense power of the Bureau to spy on his political enemies, and make himself into an unaccountable, and un-fireable bureaucratic dictator for life. And he was the best Director they've had - it's been downhill since then. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:27:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And he didn't go to jail. He didn't even lose his law license. Until there's real consequences, they won't stop. Agents of the state using their powers to abuse citizens' rights needs to come with life in prison. The Democrat judge said that people said mean things about the felon online (yeah, people tend to not like crooked cops who frame innocent men), and gave him probation instead of 6 months in the slammer. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:30:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They had much better PR back when J. Edgar was running that organization. Back then everyone believed they worked for truth, justice, and against commies instead of for commies. It was still a turd organization that overlooked and committed as many crimes as they solved. They turned a blind eye towards the Mafia in the 50's, and had to be dragged kicking and screaming by RFK when he was Attorney General to investigate them. The Boston office was basically the wholly owed subsidiary of Whity Bulger - he had lots of agents on his payroll, and covering up his murders. Note St. Robert Mueller worked in that office and was heavily involved in the corruption as well. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:32:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its our collective funeral if he runs and wins the primary. The libs will be able to run someone to the left of Stalin and win. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They couldn't keep him there if he won. Legally, there is no mechanism for keeping him imprisioned after he is set to take office. You nevertrumpers aren't going to win. If Trump decides to run, he will win handily, something you Never_Trumpers refuse to believe.  Even most on the left see the Xiden regime as a disaster. Most people vote their pocketbooks. The economy, inflation, energy independence, all were better under Trump. Whoever the Dims run will be a sacrificial candidate. If they're stupid enough to run Xiden again, they'll get trounced. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:34:40 PM EST
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(Removed-guns762)
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:36:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Name a Democrat that had a stronger turnout that Biden? Who would have thought that allowing people to vote from home would have dramatically increased the number of votes for both Republicans locals AND Democrats to record levels in 2020? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Liz Cheney, is that you? He's never answered which republican EVER had a stronger turn out than Trump. Who would have thought that states engaging in unConstitutional actions making their electors invalid would have occurred? Who would have thought there was fraud on a grand scale in precisely the places that were needed to swing the election? |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:40:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they have anyone they have built-up quite frankly. Not Beto, not Pete, and certainly not that loose wing-nut, AOC. But here's the counter-rub, they don't necessary need to either. If a moderate and generally well liked cross-party Republican runs, someone like Larry Hogan from MD, I guarantee you there was quite a number of (D) voters, swing (R) / (D) voters, and even (R) voters who will pull the lever for him behind the curtain just to ensure Trump does not get a second term in office. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It would be very unusual for Democrats to pick someone off the previous ticket when not term limited. And I don’t know who they could run that would have broad popularity. I don't think they have anyone they have built-up quite frankly. Not Beto, not Pete, and certainly not that loose wing-nut, AOC. But here's the counter-rub, they don't necessary need to either. If a moderate and generally well liked cross-party Republican runs, someone like Larry Hogan from MD, I guarantee you there was quite a number of (D) voters, swing (R) / (D) voters, and even (R) voters who will pull the lever for him behind the curtain just to ensure Trump does not get a second term in office. This is delusional. Trump has far more support now than ever. And, the criminals in the FIB just ratcheted up his support by double digits. If Trump chooses to run, he will get the nomination easily and he will win. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:41:48 PM EST
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(Removed, CoC-7 ~guns762)
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:42:35 PM EST
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Has anything happened in the last 10 pages, or has it all just been arguing with the NeverTrump dipshits? I lost track. A quick perusal just tells me it's the dipshits.
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:42:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Trump is the candidate, it won't matter. His toxicity will outweigh any disadvantage suffered by the Democrat challenger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's gonna happen this cycle. They don't have fresh blood waiting in the wings, which was a mistake, so this means they'll run essentially an outsider. Pro, not Biden Harris, con, who the fuck are they? Voters won't know. Disadvantage for Dems. The entire Dim party is toxic because they will be blamed for the disaster that is the illegitimate Xiden regime. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:45:22 PM EST
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(Removed, CoC-7 ~guns762)
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:46:44 PM EST
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(Removed, CoC-7 ~guns762)
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:46:55 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire Dim party is toxic because they will be blamed for the disaster that is the illegitimate Xiden regime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's gonna happen this cycle. They don't have fresh blood waiting in the wings, which was a mistake, so this means they'll run essentially an outsider. Pro, not Biden Harris, con, who the fuck are they? Voters won't know. Disadvantage for Dems. The entire Dim party is toxic because they will be blamed for the disaster that is the illegitimate Xiden regime. The whole point of Biden is he takes the blame no other Dem wanted. Do you really think any other Dem wouldn't have had the exact same policies as the pedophile dementia patient? Well they might have picked little boys instead but everything else would have been exactly the same. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:53:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In your opinion, is it even possible that DJT engaged in wrongdoing deserving of the service of a search warrant? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And I'm sure it was like 86% legit  In your opinion, is it even possible that DJT engaged in wrongdoing deserving of the service of a search warrant? No. And, given the history of the FIBs, it is 100% certain to be either a political witch hunt or an attempt to find and bury evidence of their own criminality. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:54:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I’m just thinking about the way this plays out. Regardless of the outcome, there are going to be significant percentages of the population who simply refuse to accept the legitimacy of how it turns out. And I can’t say I blame them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Claiming it's not possible for DJT to never commit a crime is as bad as gobbling everything we know about this story from MSM and assuming DJT is 100% guilty of something. I agree. I’m just thinking about the way this plays out. Regardless of the outcome, there are going to be significant percentages of the population who simply refuse to accept the legitimacy of how it turns out. And I can’t say I blame them. The only thing illegitimate is the entire FIB as an agency. They have proven that they are systemically corrupt and need to be disbanded. Period. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:56:20 PM EST
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- at this point you are just trolling. Please stop posting in this thread - |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:56:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve always put our nation above individual politicians or political parties. At this point, I don’t know which outcome will be the least damaging to America. A corrupted president who is indicted and convicted (and the millions of his supporters who still support him anyway), or a corrupted federal DoJ and Intel community who were weaponized against an innocent president. Either way, I’m hoping for absolute transparency. Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve always put our nation above individual politicians or political parties. At this point, I don’t know which outcome will be the least damaging to America. A corrupted president who is indicted and convicted (and the millions of his supporters who still support him anyway), or a corrupted federal DoJ and Intel community who were weaponized against an innocent president. Either way, I’m hoping for absolute transparency. This is simply delusional thinking. There is zero downside to eliminating agencies that have proven themselves to be criminally corrupt. And, there is and never was any evidence whatsoever that Trump was corrupt. Ever. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:00:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt any more or less than the evidence that was barred from being brought into the original impeachment hearings after the GOP changed rules and controlled the process of discovery submittal and who could be called onto the witness roster. That said, it is far from non-standard protocol to redact the names of witnesses and sources. In fact, it's essential to do so until a trial for reasons that should be breathtakingly obvious to most. The good thing is at trial, one side cannot bar a witness from testifying. The Defense has every right to call a Prosecution's witness to the stand and cross examine them for truthfulness and fidelity. And a good trial lawyer will absolutely burn down an untruthful witness / source - or have it discredited if indeed fabricated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So I got an alert earlier a judge has instructed the DOJ to redact the affidavit for release next week. How bad do you think it is going to be chopped up with blacked out sections to mask so called “sources and methods?” I bet the release is going to cause even more backlash. Not that it matters at this point. But it should be an interesting news day for sure. I doubt any more or less than the evidence that was barred from being brought into the original impeachment hearings after the GOP changed rules and controlled the process of discovery submittal and who could be called onto the witness roster. That said, it is far from non-standard protocol to redact the names of witnesses and sources. In fact, it's essential to do so until a trial for reasons that should be breathtakingly obvious to most. The good thing is at trial, one side cannot bar a witness from testifying. The Defense has every right to call a Prosecution's witness to the stand and cross examine them for truthfulness and fidelity. And a good trial lawyer will absolutely burn down an untruthful witness / source - or have it discredited if indeed fabricated. Nonsense. Any witnesses and/or sources *must* be revealed, especially when an agency has a history of fabricating evidence and protecting criminal "sources". They neither deserve nor get the benefit of the doubt. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:01:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire Dim party is toxic because they will be blamed for the disaster that is the illegitimate Xiden regime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's gonna happen this cycle. They don't have fresh blood waiting in the wings, which was a mistake, so this means they'll run essentially an outsider. Pro, not Biden Harris, con, who the fuck are they? Voters won't know. Disadvantage for Dems. The entire Dim party is toxic because they will be blamed for the disaster that is the illegitimate Xiden regime. Yes. The Dim party is toxic. Poison. Literally a pox on America. Including the people who vote for them. Instead of telling us what they have done for America (nothing) and why we should vote for them, they tell us why we shouldn't vote for Donald Trump. They are so afraid of one man. They have spent hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars harassing him, persecuting and investigating him. And yet he still stands tall. Defiant. The left are cowards. And the time for honoring themselves will soon be at an end. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:02:03 PM EST
[#25]
(Removed-guns762)
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:03:27 PM EST
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So mostly dipshits then.
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:04:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one thing we can agree on, but is not likely to happen. There are a lot of us on the right tired of the incessant pursuit of Trump and anyone surrounding him, while the establishment completely ignores the criminality on the left. The establishment has to dig and dig and fabricate shit on those surrounding Trump. The most recent - "He's got classified material he's not supposed to have, MAYBE EVEN THE NUKE CODES" !!! While Clinton's bathroom server was known to have contained classified material, was accessed by foreigners and nobody did shit. IRS - Targeted conservative groups for audits. ATF - Trafficked guns into Mexico, to prove that guns were being trafficked into Mexico. Swallwell - Banging a Chinese Spy. Feinstein - Chinese Spy for a driver. FBI - Lied about FISA warrant to spy on Trump. CJCS - Colluded with China. Who was it, State Department? Lied to the sitting President about how many troops were in Syria. Why don't we have a fucking border wall and have enough drugs coming across every day to kill the residents of entire states? Oh, because the left fought the wall at every step. You know why people were pissed about the election? "Hey, we're supposed to have observers from both sides observing the ballot count!" Shut the fuck up, you fucking racist!! "Why did the counting stop in four states at the same time? FUCK YOU, YOU HATE DEMOCRACY!!! "The laws in this state say you can't do mass mail-in voting!" I'm a judge and I just said we can. At every step, even when legitimate concerns were raised by serious people, they were squashed. And on, and on, and on. The right has continued to take it in the ass (figuratively) for fucking years. And we're fucking tired of it.  |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:05:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My personal experience tells me that there is a vast political middle in America, encompassing probably 85% of our country. A few policy differences, but at the end of the day, having similar visions for America. It’s the 15% of both fringes driving the wedge. The militant left weaponizing our federal institutions is no different than those on the right encouraging throwing their countrymen out of helicopters. Neither is representative of an America I want. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I fully agree with you but what I want and the reality I’m facing are often two totally different things. Personally, even if the GOP didn’t follow suit and thrash the left in retaliation, I don’t believe the left will take their foot off the gas as they only see their goals as righteous. The path to that goal is irrelevant. At this point, the GOP can go in either direction so who knows. I know we’re pushing them to retaliate and I fully admit I want my pound of flesh but I also realize the cost. Yes, it’s a bit hypocritical on my part, but I do want them punished for their acts. How they behave after that is up to them. My personal experience tells me that there is a vast political middle in America, encompassing probably 85% of our country. A few policy differences, but at the end of the day, having similar visions for America. It’s the 15% of both fringes driving the wedge. The militant left weaponizing our federal institutions is no different than those on the right encouraging throwing their countrymen out of helicopters. Neither is representative of an America I want. No, in fact, there isn't. The vast majority of Americans are not just right of center but significantly so. At this point, the "Leave me alone, I just want to live my life" ideas that most people have had most of their lives is no longer a viable strategy. The left won't leave them alone and want to run everyone's life. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:07:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear what you are saying. The affidavit may be being kept sealed because it is bogus bullshit. On the other hand, it may still be sealed for legitimate purposes. Everybody is speculating. Nobody knows. At least not my fellow GD shitposters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have an open mind too but they won't let us see the unredacted affidavit so mind is closed. FBI and DOJ are lying thugs. I hear what you are saying. The affidavit may be being kept sealed because it is bogus bullshit. On the other hand, it may still be sealed for legitimate purposes. Everybody is speculating. Nobody knows. At least not my fellow GD shitposters. The only reason that it is sealed is absolutely not legitimate. That is a 100% certainty. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:09:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No However unlikely you, or I, may believe at this time, not even possible? Well, ok. 
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:09:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's more than two scenarios. They can arrest Trump if he is dirty, but they have turned a blind eye to outrageous acts of corruption and they need to be addressed no differently. Everybody takes a beatingbor nobody does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've always put our nation above individual politicians or political parties. At this point, I don't know which outcome will be the least damaging to America. A corrupted president who is indicted and convicted (and the millions of his supporters who still support him anyway), or a corrupted federal DoJ and Intel community who were weaponized against an innocent president. Either way, I'm hoping for absolute transparency. The likelihood of Trump being dirty is zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. The likelihood of the FIBs being criminally corrupt is 100% as that has been proven already. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:11:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where's the lie? Trump sought a medical exemption from military service because of alleged "bone spurs." Meanwhile, absolutely f*cking insults a decorated P.O.W. for being shot down and holding fast in a Viet Cong prison camp enduring torture for a half-decade. But somehow his bone spurs don't present a problem for playing endless rounds of Golf - even doing back-to-back 18s on 8,000 yard courses. You probably think you're a patriot. You probably think you're holding the line on the Great Republic and Democracy by being a sycophant for his brand. Trust me, if those notions are true - you are surely neither. I know what true patriots look like. I know what an adult looks like too.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:13:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole point of Biden is he takes the blame no other Dem wanted. Do you really think any other Dem wouldn't have had the exact same policies as the pedophile dementia patient? Well they might have picked little boys instead but everything else would have been exactly the same. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's gonna happen this cycle. They don't have fresh blood waiting in the wings, which was a mistake, so this means they'll run essentially an outsider. Pro, not Biden Harris, con, who the fuck are they? Voters won't know. Disadvantage for Dems. The entire Dim party is toxic because they will be blamed for the disaster that is the illegitimate Xiden regime. The whole point of Biden is he takes the blame no other Dem wanted. Do you really think any other Dem wouldn't have had the exact same policies as the pedophile dementia patient? Well they might have picked little boys instead but everything else would have been exactly the same. True, and that's the point. Even a lot of lefties see the entire Dim party as a disaster. A lot of lefties are left of center, not raging communists. Problem is, the Dim party has been taken over by the latter and they pushed out the former. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:14:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every investigation has turned up zilch. What they have proven is that Trump is the cleanest and most honest man to ever set foot in DC. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:16:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason that it is sealed is absolutely not legitimate. That is a 100% certainty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have an open mind too but they won't let us see the unredacted affidavit so mind is closed. FBI and DOJ are lying thugs. I hear what you are saying. The affidavit may be being kept sealed because it is bogus bullshit. On the other hand, it may still be sealed for legitimate purposes. Everybody is speculating. Nobody knows. At least not my fellow GD shitposters. The only reason that it is sealed is absolutely not legitimate. That is a 100% certainty. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:16:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True, and that's the point. Even a lot of lefties see the entire Dim party as a disaster. A lot of lefties are left of center, not raging communists. Problem is, the Dim party has been taken over by the latter and they pushed out the former. A post of yours I finally agree with. Now do conservatives. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:17:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where's the lie? Trump sought a medical exemption from military service because of alleged "bone spurs." Meanwhile, absolutely f*cking insults a decorated P.O.W. for being shot down and holding fast in a Viet Cong prison camp enduring torture for a half-decade. But somehow his bone spurs don't present a problem for playing endless rounds of Golf - even doing back-to-back 18s on 8,000 yard courses. You probably think you're a patriot. You probably think you're holding the line on the Great Republic and Democracy by being a sycophant for his brand. Trust me, if those notions are true - you are surely neither. I know what true patriots look like. I know what an adult looks like too. This is the voice I heard ....  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:18:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where's the lie? Trump sought a medical exemption from military service because of alleged "bone spurs." Meanwhile, absolutely f*cking insults a decorated P.O.W. for being shot down and holding fast in a Viet Cong prison camp enduring torture for a half-decade. But somehow his bone spurs don't present a problem for playing endless rounds of Golf - even doing back-to-back 18s on 8,000 yard courses. You probably think you're a patriot. You probably think you're holding the line on the Great Republic and Democracy by being a sycophant for his brand. Trust me, if those notions are true - you are surely neither. I know what true patriots look like. I know what an adult looks like too. Trump avoiding service isn't debated. But the childish "Bone Spurs McDraftdodge" name calling shows how you think. Wow, I really have gotten under your thin little never Trumper skin, haven't I? Let me guess. To you a "true patriot" is some leftist out "fighting Nazis" like your Antifa buddies. Right? I've been an adult for many decades now and your sorry assed opinion means less than nothing. John McCain was a fuck up when he was in the Navy. He graduated in the bottom 1% of his class at Annapolis but still got the coveted flight school spot. His training and flight records were sub-par. If his father and grandfather hadn't been Admirals he wouldn't have gotten by with nearly as much. Then he sold out his own party to make nice with the leftists who had done nothing but use him up time after time. And again, your TDS is showing badly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And here we go again. Your talking points are straight out of the leftist narrative. "Bone Spurs McDraftdodge"? Wow, That's straight out of DU. Your TDS is showing badly. So where's the lie? Trump sought a medical exemption from military service because of alleged "bone spurs." Meanwhile, absolutely f*cking insults a decorated P.O.W. for being shot down and holding fast in a Viet Cong prison camp enduring torture for a half-decade. But somehow his bone spurs don't present a problem for playing endless rounds of Golf - even doing back-to-back 18s on 8,000 yard courses. You probably think you're a patriot. You probably think you're holding the line on the Great Republic and Democracy by being a sycophant for his brand. Trust me, if those notions are true - you are surely neither. I know what true patriots look like. I know what an adult looks like too. Trump avoiding service isn't debated. But the childish "Bone Spurs McDraftdodge" name calling shows how you think. Wow, I really have gotten under your thin little never Trumper skin, haven't I? Let me guess. To you a "true patriot" is some leftist out "fighting Nazis" like your Antifa buddies. Right? I've been an adult for many decades now and your sorry assed opinion means less than nothing. John McCain was a fuck up when he was in the Navy. He graduated in the bottom 1% of his class at Annapolis but still got the coveted flight school spot. His training and flight records were sub-par. If his father and grandfather hadn't been Admirals he wouldn't have gotten by with nearly as much. Then he sold out his own party to make nice with the leftists who had done nothing but use him up time after time. And again, your TDS is showing badly. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:20:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. But now they raided Trump's Mar-a-Lago home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is so crucial about this raid is something so many try to avoid acknowledging. Corruption. It is on blatant display. That is, sadly, what this is all about. It is not about Trump, but rather what has been exposed because of him. That should be the focus, dealing with what no one truly thought was as bad and deep as it is. First step is the hardest, everyone needs to acknowledge the truth about this corruption on display. We are truly looking more and more like a banana republic. Folks from all parties need to step up and demand we fix it. 1. They increasingly started targeting right wing organizations instead of left wing organizations. The right was largely ok with the abuses for the first 70 years of the organizations existence because it served their interests. 2. The internet brought a combination of increased visibility and information into what organizations like the FBI and the National Security apparatus do, and it also brought on a wave of conspiracy theories and bad/malicious reporting about things that are designed to serve various nefarious purposes. The problem that presents itself now is that we have an organization that has a deep history of bad behavior and abusing people's rights that people are now aware of, but where criticism of that organization is increasingly difficult because of all of the noise and bullshit that is created by forces that exploit people's stupidity and lack of knowledge about the organization. This gives them cover when they are criticized because they can always point to the crazy shit and just play it off and lump the legitimate stuff in with the falsehoods. As long as people continue to cling to the insane part of the story and deviate from things that can be PROVEN, they will continue to be able to get away with what they are doing. Yeah. But now they raided Trump's Mar-a-Lago home. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:31:29 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A post of yours I finally agree with. Now do conservatives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: True, and that's the point. Even a lot of lefties see the entire Dim party as a disaster. A lot of lefties are left of center, not raging communists. Problem is, the Dim party has been taken over by the latter and they pushed out the former. A post of yours I finally agree with. Now do conservatives. True, and that's the point. Even a lot of so-called conservatives see the entire Republican party as a disaster. A lot of so-called conservatives are left of center, but not full on communists. Problem is, the Republican party has been taken over by the latter and they pushed out the former. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:36:19 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: However unlikely you, or I, may believe at this time, not even possible? Well, ok. No, because I believe anything marked as classified that has been seized by the FBI, Trump declassified before he left office. As it is now a matter of word, i.e. "I declassified those before I left office" which cannot be proved differently, so no, not possible. No way, no how. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:39:44 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True, and that's the point. Even a lot of so-called conservatives see the entire Republican party as a disaster. A lot of so-called conservatives are left of center, but not full on communists. Problem is, the Republican party has been taken over by the latter and they pushed out the former. Heck, I’d imagine most Americans look at our two political parties like they do our politicians. You choose sides because it’s better than not choosing sides. But neither side is on “your side”. And the tards chastise the thinking adults for calling a spade a spade, and not embracing their warped version of reality. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:47:39 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: However unlikely you, or I, may believe at this time, not even possible? Well, ok. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No However unlikely you, or I, may believe at this time, not even possible? Well, ok. I believe it is absolutely POSSIBLE that Trump may have (unintentionally) committed the type of "crime" with handling of classified material that ALL PRESIDENTS prior to him undoubtedly also committed unintentionally... and which no reasonable prosecutor would EVER pursue criminally.  Heck, even when people like Sandy Berger and Hillary Clinton clearly and deliberately violated such laws, nobody was ever charged with a felony. That is the level of precedent. The fact that the FBI under a Democratic administration has suddenly decided to aggressively pursue something like that for a former Republican president and political rival stinks to high heaven and is extremely disturbing. The relevant question is not whether or not technically a crime might have been committed, but why suddenly all precedent and standards have been flushed down the toilet in order to use the might of the DOJ to aggressively go after a political rival of the sitting president. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:49:29 PM EST
[#44]
Trumps guilt or innocence is immaterial. The different treatment Trump and democrats receive is inexcusable and unforgivable and the institutions involved must be reformed, abolished or replaced.
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:49:45 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, because I believe anything marked as classified that has been seized by the FBI, Trump declassified before he left office. As it is now a matter of word, i.e. "I declassified those before I left office" which cannot be proved differently, so no, not possible. No way, no how. Fair point. I’ll counter with 2 things. 1 - spirit of the law vs. letter of the law 2 - Some material even the POTUS does not have the authority to unilaterally “declassify”, though that isn’t the legally correct term. I can’t imagine that the POTUS declassification authority was ever intended to be granted out of a matter of convenience, but rather that the POTUS has the unilateral authority to declassify if he deems it in the best interest of the nation. A standing order to declassify anything on its way to MarALago in the name of convenience, while potentially legal, sure as heck ain’t right. There is also a bunch of atomic energy information that the president can’t do whatever he wants with. So let’s hope Trump didn’t stack his private home with that stuff. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:51:11 PM EST
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:53:26 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair point. I’ll counter with 2 things. 1 - spirit of the law vs. letter of the law 2 - Some material even the POTUS does not have the authority to unilaterally “declassify”, though that isn’t the legally correct term. I can’t imagine that the POTUS declassification authority was ever intended to be granted out of a matter of convenience, but rather that the POTUS has the unilateral authority to declassify if he deems it in the best interest of the nation. A standing order to declassify anything on its way to MarALago in the name of convenience, while potentially legal, sure as heck ain’t right. There is also a bunch of atomic energy information that the president can’t do whatever he wants with. So let’s hope Trump didn’t stack his private home with that stuff. It’s not an appropriate use of his authority but it is a lawful one. It is uncertain whether Congress has the authority to control the classification of nuclear material. That would be something for a court to decide. The likely answer is no. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:56:23 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe it is absolutely POSSIBLE that Trump may have (unintentionally) committed the type of "crime" with handling of classified material that ALL PRESIDENTS prior to him undoubtedly also committed unintentionally... and which no reasonable prosecutor would EVER pursue criminally. Heck, even when people like Sandy Berger and Hillary Clinton clearly and deliberately violated such laws, nobody was ever charged with a felony. That is the level of precedent. The fact that the FBI under a Democratic administration has suddenly decided to aggressively pursue something like that for a former Republican president and political rival stinks to high heaven and is extremely disturbing. The relevant question is not whether or not technically a crime might have been committed, but why suddenly all precedent and standards have been flushed down the toilet in order to use the might of the DOJ to aggressively go after a political rival of the sitting president. Yup. But I bet the pretext for the raid wasn't, we know Trump has X classified documents and we have to go get them. It's was something more shady and fabricated to justify a fishing expedition. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 12:04:13 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So where's the lie? Trump sought a medical exemption from military service because of alleged "bone spurs." Meanwhile, absolutely f*cking insults a decorated P.O.W. for being shot down and holding fast in a Viet Cong prison camp enduring torture for a half-decade. But somehow his bone spurs don't present a problem for playing endless rounds of Golf - even doing back-to-back 18s on 8,000 yard courses. You probably think you're a patriot. You probably think you're holding the line on the Great Republic and Democracy by being a sycophant for his brand. Trust me, if those notions are true - you are surely neither. I know what true patriots look like. I know what an adult looks like too. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/image-77.jpg If we're still debating the Vietnam war - it was a crap war, planned by cowards and traitors who never wanted to win, and as a combat vet, I have no problems with anyone who did whatever it took to avoid serving in that waste of blood and treasure. McCain was a petty little piece of shit, who divorced his wife upon his return for a rich heiresses who could finance his political career. He lusted after being nominated for president, then threw the race so as not to fall into the bad graces of those who's opinion he truly craved - the media, and to hell with the GOP voters he lied to during the primaries. He was called a crazy little war criminal by the media during the race, yet came crawling back to them, licking their boots to get back in their favor, which he did via voting against the wishes of those who elected him. Yet Trump insults him one time and he's made an enemy out of him for life. He got brain cancer and was unable to fulfil his duties as Senator, yet refused to resign, wanting to die in office for more attention and media hype. His last act before he shit the bed was to dis-invite Sara Palin to his funeral - a person who had always stood by him and never had a bad thing to say about him - so that they media would love him even more. John McCain was a terrible Naval pilot who gravy trained his way in the Navy via his family of Admirals, crashed a plane and killed sailors on the ship, stabbed everyone who voted for him in the back, and was a general piece of shit. I'd take Trump over that turd any day of the week. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 12:09:37 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And nobody but the FBI, the DOJ and (likely) Trump and his lawyers know why, and nobody is releasing any relevant information yet. Everyone in this thread is guessing, mostly based on what they want to be true rather than what they know to be true. In the meantime, Trump is in full-bore, we'll-funded spin mode setting the narrative the way that he wants it to go. Rubbish, the KGBI leaks to their house pets in the media about this on a daily basis. The first leaks were about Nuclear Secrets!!!, then that got toned down to "classified documents", then it's documents that some bureaucrat n the National Archives wanted, and didn't get - a situation that they would never get a raid going for any Democrat president. |
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