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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the Ukrainians it has been an opportunity to wreck the Russian military by being the defenders in an urban environment when they are willing to cede land if the situation is untenable at the time. For the Russians, it was useful for a while to kill a bunch of their prisoners. Since then you got me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So did Bakhmut fall or not? Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies? "So did Bakhmut fall or not?" - Mostly (see Tile and OP) "Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies?" - Its looking that way (objective: Bakhmut) How much does this objective further their strategic goal? Well I know this will get me the TROLL label again but I honestly don't know. I have no clue as to what Russia's plans are and what they hope to accomplish. It must be important to invest over nine months and tens of thousands of casualties for. Yup, I'm guessing both sides have their reasons for Bakhmut For the Ukrainians it has been an opportunity to wreck the Russian military by being the defenders in an urban environment when they are willing to cede land if the situation is untenable at the time. For the Russians, it was useful for a while to kill a bunch of their prisoners. Since then you got me. Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. And you wonder why even the mods call you a troll? |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So did Bakhmut fall or not? Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies? "So did Bakhmut fall or not?" - Mostly (see Tile and OP) "Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies?" - Its looking that way (objective: Bakhmut) How much does this objective further their strategic goal? Well I know this will get me the TROLL label again but I honestly don't know. I have no clue as to what Russia's plans are and what they hope to accomplish. It must be important to invest over nine months and tens of thousands of casualties for. Yup, I'm guessing both sides have their reasons for Bakhmut For the Ukrainians it has been an opportunity to wreck the Russian military by being the defenders in an urban environment when they are willing to cede land if the situation is untenable at the time. For the Russians, it was useful for a while to kill a bunch of their prisoners. Since then you got me. Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. You don't know what could possibly be a strategic driver for the capture of the 56th largest city in the country at such expense, but just feel there may be. That sounds like an emotionally based position to me. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:44:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:51:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everything you disagree with isn't a Russian influence op. Some of it is...but not all.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The real question is why have YOU chosen it as an area of focus to the exclusion of the literal bigger map picture of Ukraine? 
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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:53:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: >>Snort<< Factual, but disconnected from the point under discussion. It added nothing but a tangent. Pot meet the troll kettle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:  "That's not an apology to you" "That's feeling bad for your upcoming sadness because Russia is going to lose a lot more stolen lands." - Why would you feel bad for me and why would I feel sad if Russian forces start losing? Anyone saying "Uke bros" probably can't handle an objective take on the war themselves. I have yet to see anything remotely resembling an intelligent, thoughtful, informed post from someone like that. Why not? Uke Bros & Putin Knobbers........and the sane ones in the middle. Domestic example: Antifa and Proud Boys......and the sane ones in the middle. But if you(not you personally) self describe as a Uke Bro, it would be very hard to see anything remotely resembling an intelligent, thoughtful, informed post, from the other side. Antifa and a Proud Boys are actual groups of people with membership and silly costumes. Uke Bros & Putin Knobbers are simply terms used by the intellectually lazy as a substitute for substantive debate. It was an analogy and useful as such. You just want to be argumentative in a thread you call trolling. Pot meet kettle. I’m not making an argument, I’m stating a fact. >>Snort<< Factual, but disconnected from the point under discussion. It added nothing but a tangent. Pot meet the troll kettle. I disagree with you contention. It was exactly the point. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't know what could possibly be a strategic driver for the capture of the 56th largest city in the country at such expense, but just feel there may be. That sounds like an emotionally based position to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So did Bakhmut fall or not? Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies? "So did Bakhmut fall or not?" - Mostly (see Tile and OP) "Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies?" - Its looking that way (objective: Bakhmut) How much does this objective further their strategic goal? Well I know this will get me the TROLL label again but I honestly don't know. I have no clue as to what Russia's plans are and what they hope to accomplish. It must be important to invest over nine months and tens of thousands of casualties for. Yup, I'm guessing both sides have their reasons for Bakhmut For the Ukrainians it has been an opportunity to wreck the Russian military by being the defenders in an urban environment when they are willing to cede land if the situation is untenable at the time. For the Russians, it was useful for a while to kill a bunch of their prisoners. Since then you got me. Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. You don't know what could possibly be a strategic driver for the capture of the 56th largest city in the country at such expense, but just feel there may be. That sounds like an emotionally based position to me. It was a city of relative unimportance that after losing SO MUCH territory to Ukraine during August-September, Russia decided to hype its importance and make it a symbolic quick “win.” They hyped it all over Russia State Media and on the Internet. But then it turned into a quagmire, and became a symbol for Russian incompetence and willingness to waste lives. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:09:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree with you contention. It was exactly the point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "That's not an apology to you" "That's feeling bad for your upcoming sadness because Russia is going to lose a lot more stolen lands." - Why would you feel bad for me and why would I feel sad if Russian forces start losing? Anyone saying "Uke bros" probably can't handle an objective take on the war themselves. I have yet to see anything remotely resembling an intelligent, thoughtful, informed post from someone like that. Why not? Uke Bros & Putin Knobbers........and the sane ones in the middle. Domestic example: Antifa and Proud Boys......and the sane ones in the middle. But if you(not you personally) self describe as a Uke Bro, it would be very hard to see anything remotely resembling an intelligent, thoughtful, informed post, from the other side. Antifa and a Proud Boys are actual groups of people with membership and silly costumes. Uke Bros & Putin Knobbers are simply terms used by the intellectually lazy as a substitute for substantive debate. It was an analogy and useful as such. You just want to be argumentative in a thread you call trolling. Pot meet kettle. I’m not making an argument, I’m stating a fact. >>Snort<< Factual, but disconnected from the point under discussion. It added nothing but a tangent. Pot meet the troll kettle. I disagree with you contention. It was exactly the point. You have taken the this so far off on a tangent, I doubt you even tried to understand the point made. Let me help you. There are more than two positions. It is not just Uke Bro or Putin Knobber. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:13:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was a city of relative unimportance that after losing SO MUCH territory to Ukraine during August-September, Russia decided to hype its importance and make it a symbolic quick “win.” They hyped it all over Russia State Media and on the Internet. But then it turned into a quagmire, and became a symbol for Russian incompetence and willingness to waste lives. So, once again, Russian Media is an acceptable source if it agrees with your position. I am sure I have seen that said to unacceptable. 
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:14:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't know what could possibly be a strategic driver for the capture of the 56th largest city in the country at such expense, but just feel there may be. That sounds like an emotionally based position to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So did Bakhmut fall or not? Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies? "So did Bakhmut fall or not?" - Mostly (see Tile and OP) "Did the Russian meat grander gain anything with all those dead bodies?" - Its looking that way (objective: Bakhmut) How much does this objective further their strategic goal? Well I know this will get me the TROLL label again but I honestly don't know. I have no clue as to what Russia's plans are and what they hope to accomplish. It must be important to invest over nine months and tens of thousands of casualties for. Yup, I'm guessing both sides have their reasons for Bakhmut For the Ukrainians it has been an opportunity to wreck the Russian military by being the defenders in an urban environment when they are willing to cede land if the situation is untenable at the time. For the Russians, it was useful for a while to kill a bunch of their prisoners. Since then you got me. Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. You don't know what could possibly be a strategic driver for the capture of the 56th largest city in the country at such expense, but just feel there may be. That sounds like an emotionally based position to me. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:15:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're really not helping your case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. What's my "case"? |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:17:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sick rebuttal. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have taken the this so far off on a tangent, I doubt you even tried to understand the point made. Let me help you. There are more than two positions. It is not just Uke Bro or Putin Knobber. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "That's not an apology to you" "That's feeling bad for your upcoming sadness because Russia is going to lose a lot more stolen lands." - Why would you feel bad for me and why would I feel sad if Russian forces start losing? Anyone saying "Uke bros" probably can't handle an objective take on the war themselves. I have yet to see anything remotely resembling an intelligent, thoughtful, informed post from someone like that. Why not? Uke Bros & Putin Knobbers........and the sane ones in the middle. Domestic example: Antifa and Proud Boys......and the sane ones in the middle. But if you(not you personally) self describe as a Uke Bro, it would be very hard to see anything remotely resembling an intelligent, thoughtful, informed post, from the other side. Antifa and a Proud Boys are actual groups of people with membership and silly costumes. Uke Bros & Putin Knobbers are simply terms used by the intellectually lazy as a substitute for substantive debate. It was an analogy and useful as such. You just want to be argumentative in a thread you call trolling. Pot meet kettle. I’m not making an argument, I’m stating a fact. >>Snort<< Factual, but disconnected from the point under discussion. It added nothing but a tangent. Pot meet the troll kettle. I disagree with you contention. It was exactly the point. You have taken the this so far off on a tangent, I doubt you even tried to understand the point made. Let me help you. There are more than two positions. It is not just Uke Bro or Putin Knobber. Yes, and to try to relegate it to JUST those positions would be intellectually lazy and a poor substitute for substantive debate. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:23:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, once again, Russian Media is an acceptable source if it agrees with your position. I am sure I have seen that said to unacceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It was a city of relative unimportance that after losing SO MUCH territory to Ukraine during August-September, Russia decided to hype its importance and make it a symbolic quick “win.” They hyped it all over Russia State Media and on the Internet. But then it turned into a quagmire, and became a symbol for Russian incompetence and willingness to waste lives. So, once again, Russian Media is an acceptable source if it agrees with your position. I am sure I have seen that said to unacceptable. It’s never an acceptable source for the truth. It’s always an outstanding source for insight into their propaganda efforts. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sick rebuttal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sick rebuttal. Thanks |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:44:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2023 8:19:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s never an acceptable source for the truth. It’s always an outstanding source for insight into their propaganda efforts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It was a city of relative unimportance that after losing SO MUCH territory to Ukraine during August-September, Russia decided to hype its importance and make it a symbolic quick “win.” They hyped it all over Russia State Media and on the Internet. But then it turned into a quagmire, and became a symbol for Russian incompetence and willingness to waste lives. So, once again, Russian Media is an acceptable source if it agrees with your position. I am sure I have seen that said to unacceptable. It’s never an acceptable source for the truth. It’s always an outstanding source for insight into their propaganda efforts. Same as NPR and similar to CNN.... |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 8:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI know you're not to be trusted but could you please give me some basic info as to what I'm looking for in this pic? Was there a change in who controls what area? Is this map vastly different from the ones I've been posting with respect to who controls what? Thanks |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 8:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're saying Russia isn't an actual threat and it's laughable that anyone would even think they would be able to take on a force like NATO. So you agree that the claims Russia is a serious threat has been greatly exaggerated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly, the biggest takeaway from this isn't that Russia is weaker than we thought. It's that there is now damning and indisputable proof that Russia is still run by incompetent thugs, retards, and fuckups just as it has been since the Whites lost in 1920. Literally zero reason they shouldn't have all or most of Ukraine by now given the equipment and manpower disparities and massive disparity in ability to strike and cut supply lines. Grab a random StarCraft grandmaster kid from Korea and he could probably have performed far better than Shoigu, et al. This reminds me of the PLA's performance invading Vietnam or Austria-Hungary invading Serbia. Fart-sniffing nepotism and doctrinal stupidity collided with reality in a very ugly way. So you're saying Russia isn't an actual threat and it's laughable that anyone would even think they would be able to take on a force like NATO. So you agree that the claims Russia is a serious threat has been greatly exaggerated. No, I think Russia is an actual threat. But they'd apparently need a change in leadership at multiple levels to become so. Strong leadership with trash forces isn't a problem for years until and unless they build up something more credible. Trash leadership with strong forces could become a threat tomorrow if you replaced nepotistic appointments based on loyalty with ones based on skill and merit. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 8:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I think Russia is an actual threat. But they'd apparently need a change in leadership at multiple levels to become so. Strong leadership with trash forces isn't a problem for years until and unless they build up something more credible. Trash leadership with strong forces could become a threat tomorrow if you replaced nepotistic appointments based on loyalty with ones based on skill and merit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, the biggest takeaway from this isn't that Russia is weaker than we thought. It's that there is now damning and indisputable proof that Russia is still run by incompetent thugs, retards, and fuckups just as it has been since the Whites lost in 1920. Literally zero reason they shouldn't have all or most of Ukraine by now given the equipment and manpower disparities and massive disparity in ability to strike and cut supply lines. Grab a random StarCraft grandmaster kid from Korea and he could probably have performed far better than Shoigu, et al. This reminds me of the PLA's performance invading Vietnam or Austria-Hungary invading Serbia. Fart-sniffing nepotism and doctrinal stupidity collided with reality in a very ugly way. So you're saying Russia isn't an actual threat and it's laughable that anyone would even think they would be able to take on a force like NATO. So you agree that the claims Russia is a serious threat has been greatly exaggerated. No, I think Russia is an actual threat. But they'd apparently need a change in leadership at multiple levels to become so. Strong leadership with trash forces isn't a problem for years until and unless they build up something more credible. Trash leadership with strong forces could become a threat tomorrow if you replaced nepotistic appointments based on loyalty with ones based on skill and merit. "No, I think Russia is an actual threat" - Help me understand, how are they a threat to NATO if they can't even take a poobutt city in the Ukraine? From what people here are claiming, Russian forces are getting decimated just trying to take this insignificant city. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 8:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "No, I think Russia is an actual threat" - Help me understand, how are they a threat to NATO if they can't even take a poobutt city in the Ukraine? From what people here are claiming, Russian forces are getting decimated just trying to take this insignificant city. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, the biggest takeaway from this isn't that Russia is weaker than we thought. It's that there is now damning and indisputable proof that Russia is still run by incompetent thugs, retards, and fuckups just as it has been since the Whites lost in 1920. Literally zero reason they shouldn't have all or most of Ukraine by now given the equipment and manpower disparities and massive disparity in ability to strike and cut supply lines. Grab a random StarCraft grandmaster kid from Korea and he could probably have performed far better than Shoigu, et al. This reminds me of the PLA's performance invading Vietnam or Austria-Hungary invading Serbia. Fart-sniffing nepotism and doctrinal stupidity collided with reality in a very ugly way. So you're saying Russia isn't an actual threat and it's laughable that anyone would even think they would be able to take on a force like NATO. So you agree that the claims Russia is a serious threat has been greatly exaggerated. No, I think Russia is an actual threat. But they'd apparently need a change in leadership at multiple levels to become so. Strong leadership with trash forces isn't a problem for years until and unless they build up something more credible. Trash leadership with strong forces could become a threat tomorrow if you replaced nepotistic appointments based on loyalty with ones based on skill and merit. "No, I think Russia is an actual threat" - Help me understand, how are they a threat to NATO if they can't even take a poobutt city in the Ukraine? From what people here are claiming, Russian forces are getting decimated just trying to take this insignificant city. I just explained it in the post you quoted. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 9:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just explained it in the post you quoted. maybe even more importantly the more satellite states they have, the more cannon fodder they can throw at a problem. Ukr has significant defense industry, the expertise to go with it, and 40 million people. So if they win in Ukr, next time they'll throw a few hundred thousand ukrainian conscripts along with all the buryats and other undesirables to throw at their problem. Bad news for whoever is next. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 9:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same as NPR and similar to CNN.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It was a city of relative unimportance that after losing SO MUCH territory to Ukraine during August-September, Russia decided to hype its importance and make it a symbolic quick “win.” They hyped it all over Russia State Media and on the Internet. But then it turned into a quagmire, and became a symbol for Russian incompetence and willingness to waste lives. So, once again, Russian Media is an acceptable source if it agrees with your position. I am sure I have seen that said to unacceptable. It’s never an acceptable source for the truth. It’s always an outstanding source for insight into their propaganda efforts. Same as NPR and similar to CNN.... Not quite. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 9:44:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not quite. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It was a city of relative unimportance that after losing SO MUCH territory to Ukraine during August-September, Russia decided to hype its importance and make it a symbolic quick “win.” They hyped it all over Russia State Media and on the Internet. But then it turned into a quagmire, and became a symbol for Russian incompetence and willingness to waste lives. So, once again, Russian Media is an acceptable source if it agrees with your position. I am sure I have seen that said to unacceptable. It’s never an acceptable source for the truth. It’s always an outstanding source for insight into their propaganda efforts. Same as NPR and similar to CNN.... Not quite. Close enough. Neither is much more trustworthy than Russian media, but you did come around to saying Russian media is an outstanding source.....when it is used / understood correctly. That is a better and more nuanced position than most Uke Bros will take. BTW - It is humorous that my autocorrect tries to turn "Uke" into "Joe" each time I type it. It's like it knows..... |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 10:11:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you're right! You're hoping he gets assassinated? To what end? |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 10:15:51 PM EDT
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So with fresh Chechen troops inflowing and priority ordnance allocation, OP is going to need to revert his thread title.
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Posted: 5/7/2023 10:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, I'm guessing both sides have their reasons for Bakhmut Ukraine will get pushed out of Bakhmut one day, and Russia will say it's a glorious victory, and Ukraine will say it served it purpose stopping the Russian Winter Offensive and buying time for their counterattack. I have a guess that one day, maybe this fall, the Russians will run from Bakhmut like they ran from Kherson and Kharkiv. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 11:50:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So with fresh Chechen troops inflowing and priority ordnance allocation, OP is going to need to revert his thread title. The Chechens will take contact and run back to Belarus (like in Kyiv in 2022) or to Russia like post Severodonetsk and Lyschansk. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 11:51:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been known for the last 6 months that Ukraine saw no strategic value in holding Bakhmut, it was where the Russians were mass attacking, therefore the only purpose for Ukraine in Bakhmut was kill as many Russians as possible. It's not like Russia capturing Bakhmut gives them a path to the Dnipro or a big strategic advantage. The Ukrainian view was we don't need to hold this, we just need to kill as many of those bastards as possible. Ukraine will get pushed out of Bakhmut one day, and Russia will say it's a glorious victory, and Ukraine will say it served it purpose stopping the Russian Winter Offensive and buying time for their counterattack. I have a guess that one day, maybe this fall, the Russians will run from Bakhmut like they ran from Kherson and Kharkiv. "Kherson is Russian forever" 
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Posted: 5/7/2023 11:51:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's my "case"? Supporting Russia 
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Posted: 5/7/2023 11:56:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supporting Russia Your bullshit gets old, green tip grifter. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 1:30:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're hoping he gets assassinated? To what end? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hope you're right! You're hoping he gets assassinated? To what end? "You're hoping he gets assassinated?" - He who? To which corrupt thug are you referring to? "To what end?" - The war and our involvement in it |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 1:36:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "You're hoping he gets assassinated?" - He who? To which corrupt thug are you referring to? "To what end?" - The war and our involvement in it  Attached FileI remember when trolling meant something. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 1:41:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been known for the last 6 months that Ukraine saw no strategic value in holding Bakhmut, it was where the Russians were mass attacking, therefore the only purpose for Ukraine in Bakhmut was kill as many Russians as possible. It's not like Russia capturing Bakhmut gives them a path to the Dnipro or a big strategic advantage. The Ukrainian view was we don't need to hold this, we just need to kill as many of those bastards as possible. Ukraine will get pushed out of Bakhmut one day, and Russia will say it's a glorious victory, and Ukraine will say it served it purpose stopping the Russian Winter Offensive and buying time for their counterattack. I have a guess that one day, maybe this fall, the Russians will run from Bakhmut like they ran from Kherson and Kharkiv. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup, I'm guessing both sides have their reasons for Bakhmut Ukraine will get pushed out of Bakhmut one day, and Russia will say it's a glorious victory, and Ukraine will say it served it purpose stopping the Russian Winter Offensive and buying time for their counterattack. I have a guess that one day, maybe this fall, the Russians will run from Bakhmut like they ran from Kherson and Kharkiv. I think this is pretty much it in a nutshell. It's symbolic for the Russians and an opportunity for the Ukrainians. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 2:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know you're not to be trusted but could you please give me some basic info as to what I'm looking for in this pic? Was there a change in who controls what area? Is this map vastly different from the ones I've been posting with respect to who controls what? Thanks The northern portion changed noticeably as well as the dates of the captions show updates from previous recent maps |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 2:09:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just explained it in the post you quoted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, the biggest takeaway from this isn't that Russia is weaker than we thought. It's that there is now damning and indisputable proof that Russia is still run by incompetent thugs, retards, and fuckups just as it has been since the Whites lost in 1920. Literally zero reason they shouldn't have all or most of Ukraine by now given the equipment and manpower disparities and massive disparity in ability to strike and cut supply lines. Grab a random StarCraft grandmaster kid from Korea and he could probably have performed far better than Shoigu, et al. This reminds me of the PLA's performance invading Vietnam or Austria-Hungary invading Serbia. Fart-sniffing nepotism and doctrinal stupidity collided with reality in a very ugly way. So you're saying Russia isn't an actual threat and it's laughable that anyone would even think they would be able to take on a force like NATO. So you agree that the claims Russia is a serious threat has been greatly exaggerated. No, I think Russia is an actual threat. But they'd apparently need a change in leadership at multiple levels to become so. Strong leadership with trash forces isn't a problem for years until and unless they build up something more credible. Trash leadership with strong forces could become a threat tomorrow if you replaced nepotistic appointments based on loyalty with ones based on skill and merit. "No, I think Russia is an actual threat" - Help me understand, how are they a threat to NATO if they can't even take a poobutt city in the Ukraine? From what people here are claiming, Russian forces are getting decimated just trying to take this insignificant city. I just explained it in the post you quoted. Sorry but I'm not seeing anywhere in your post as to why Russia is currently a threat to NATO. Basically you went on about future Russian leadership possibilities and appointments and the fairness of them, which in no way explains your claim that Russia is currently a threat to NATO. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 2:11:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supporting Russia Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's my "case"? Supporting Russia  |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 2:16:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The northern portion changed noticeably as well as the dates of the captions show updates from previous recent maps Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know you're not to be trusted but could you please give me some basic info as to what I'm looking for in this pic? Was there a change in who controls what area? Is this map vastly different from the ones I've been posting with respect to who controls what? Thanks The northern portion changed noticeably as well as the dates of the captions show updates from previous recent maps Looks like more real estate captured by the out-of-ammo retreating Wagner group, am I reading that right? Edit: Just checked the war mapper site and they're reporting: "Russian forces have continued to advance in the north towards the remaining Ukrainian stronghold in the high-density residential area in the west."  Attached FileI just looked at this map and I'm getting a better understanding as to why the Russians wanted Bakhmut  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 3:54:47 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like more real estate captured by the out-of-ammo retreating Wagner group, am I reading that right? Edit: Just checked the war mapper site and they're reporting: "Russian forces have continued to advance in the north towards the remaining Ukrainian stronghold in the high-density residential area in the west." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvkPl7_WwAMU7W4_jpg-2809678.JPG I just looked at this map and I'm getting a better understanding as to why the Russians wanted Bakhmut https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvkPnScWwAAI3iD_jpg-2809679.JPG 439 days into the 3 day war and not a single Russian goal has been accomplished. Russia claims all of Ukraine, not just Bakmut. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 4:10:41 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. Still think this is all part of Putin's master plan? 5d Chess? Suiciding waves of Russian soldiers for little gain while the entire line is stagnate for one town doesn't seem like a winning strategy |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 4:23:04 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 439 days into the 3 day war and not a single Russian goal has been accomplished. Russia claims all of Ukraine, not just Bakmut. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like more real estate captured by the out-of-ammo retreating Wagner group, am I reading that right? Edit: Just checked the war mapper site and they're reporting: "Russian forces have continued to advance in the north towards the remaining Ukrainian stronghold in the high-density residential area in the west." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvkPl7_WwAMU7W4_jpg-2809678.JPG I just looked at this map and I'm getting a better understanding as to why the Russians wanted Bakhmut https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvkPnScWwAAI3iD_jpg-2809679.JPG 439 days into the 3 day war and not a single Russian goal has been accomplished. Russia claims all of Ukraine, not just Bakmut. Umm, ok, good to know! |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 4:34:03 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still think this is all part of Putin's master plan? 5d Chess? Suiciding waves of Russian soldiers for little gain while the entire line is stagnate for one town doesn't seem like a winning strategy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure, I suppose your emotional perspective could be true. Me, I think there may be more to it than that, but who knows. Still think this is all part of Putin's master plan? 5d Chess? Suiciding waves of Russian soldiers for little gain while the entire line is stagnate for one town doesn't seem like a winning strategy "Still think this is all part of Putin's master plan? 5d Chess?" - Yeah, I've said no such thing but ok!  "Suiciding waves of Russian soldiers for little gain while the entire line is stagnate for one town doesn't seem like a winning strategy" - And yet Zelensky keeps whining for more monies and resources to fight a "serious Russian threat"! 
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Posted: 5/8/2023 4:56:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like more real estate captured by the out-of-ammo retreating Wagner group, am I reading that right? Edit: Just checked the war mapper site and they're reporting: "Russian forces have continued to advance in the north towards the remaining Ukrainian stronghold in the high-density residential area in the west." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvkPl7_WwAMU7W4_jpg-2809678.JPG I just looked at this map and I'm getting a better understanding as to why the Russians wanted Bakhmut https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvkPnScWwAAI3iD_jpg-2809679.JPG |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 5:27:04 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, once again, Russian Media is an acceptable source if it agrees with your position. I am sure I have seen that said to unacceptable. Russia media puts out some interesting things. "We will beat Ukraine in 2 days" "We will beat Ukraine in 2 weeks" "We have beaten Ukraine" "We will nuke and invade the west" |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 5:27:28 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "No, I think Russia is an actual threat" - Help me understand, how are they a threat to NATO if they can't even take a poobutt city in the Ukraine? From what people here are claiming, Russian forces are getting decimated just trying to take this insignificant city. The same "poobutt" city you're rooting for them to take? 
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Posted: 5/8/2023 5:39:14 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Still think this is all part of Putin's master plan? 5d Chess?" - Yeah, I've said no such thing but ok! "Suiciding waves of Russian soldiers for little gain while the entire line is stagnate for one town doesn't seem like a winning strategy" - And yet Zelensky keeps whining for more monies and resources to fight a "serious Russian threat"! Russia whines about western aid and how the victims are fighting back against genocide. Zelenskyy pleads for aid so his people can survive. There is a difference. How did the Russian winter offensive turn out? |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 11:39:35 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The same "poobutt" city you're rooting for them to take? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "No, I think Russia is an actual threat" - Help me understand, how are they a threat to NATO if they can't even take a poobutt city in the Ukraine? From what people here are claiming, Russian forces are getting decimated just trying to take this insignificant city. The same "poobutt" city you're rooting for them to take? I'm "rooting" for the Russians now! |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 11:41:04 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia whines about western aid and how the victims are fighting back against genocide. Zelenskyy pleads for aid so his people can survive. There is a difference. How did the Russian winter offensive turn out? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Still think this is all part of Putin's master plan? 5d Chess?" - Yeah, I've said no such thing but ok! "Suiciding waves of Russian soldiers for little gain while the entire line is stagnate for one town doesn't seem like a winning strategy" - And yet Zelensky keeps whining for more monies and resources to fight a "serious Russian threat"! Russia whines about western aid and how the victims are fighting back against genocide. Zelenskyy pleads for aid so his people can survive. There is a difference. How did the Russian winter offensive turn out? Hate to break it to you but Zelensky is a thief and a thug just like Putin! Edit: removed incorrect statement |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 11:44:40 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hate to break it to you but Nazi loving Zelensky is a thief and a thug just like Putin! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Still think this is all part of Putin's master plan? 5d Chess?" - Yeah, I've said no such thing but ok! "Suiciding waves of Russian soldiers for little gain while the entire line is stagnate for one town doesn't seem like a winning strategy" - And yet Zelensky keeps whining for more monies and resources to fight a "serious Russian threat"! Russia whines about western aid and how the victims are fighting back against genocide. Zelenskyy pleads for aid so his people can survive. There is a difference. How did the Russian winter offensive turn out? Hate to break it to you but Nazi loving Zelensky is a thief and a thug just like Putin! Those damned Nazi loving jews. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 11:44:47 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm "rooting" for the Russians now! Essentially you are but under the guise of perpetually trolling. The vast majority of your posts are just that.. you getting off acting like a teenager excited about the perception of getting a rise out of people instead of actually productively participating in a conversation. Since you are not capable of the self awareness to be ashamed, many of us are ashamed on your behalf so the world can remain in balance. |
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