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This.  Events of the last few decades have shown that police have to be ready to respond to virtually anything.  Beslan, Mumbai, Columbine, VT, the list goes on.

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HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!! YOU GOT LEG POCKETS ON YOUR PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yes and I wear Danner Go Devil Boots with em.........ya skeered yet?  

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Given the outcomes at the locations mentioned, the record reflects that the police are not ready. They seem to be trying to replace practice and training with products and tac gear and it is not working.

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I peed a bit and my rights are hiding under the couch





oh I forgot.........

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It's already been opined in this thread that Da PoPo shouldn't have EBR's or at least put wood grain furniture on them because of "perception."  

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You can't really compare Beslan and Mumbai to VT and Columbine.
We have been truly truly truly fortunate thatw e have not had a Beslan or a Mumbai here. Very fortunate.
When they do happen, they'll most likely happen in a rural low population place with a  long LE resposne time, worked by LEOs whose chief insisted that "it'll never happen here" as a reason to not train his guys.
Some places in the US try harder to be prepared than others.
Population is no guarantee that the LEOs are any more prepared. Look at Extorris' old dept as an example of that

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Yep, if I was a police officer I would want every advantage afforded to me. I have no problem with it because I know the amount of dirtbags our there. However, the FDA, EPA, and etc. should not be carrying guns or even rape whistles.

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Do these guys? And I bet they could handle their shit.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qlUEV6bKv4Q/TfZZtjt_nJI/AAAAAAAAABk/kfHGv2yts9k/s1600/lawmen+mainst+sepia.jpg

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Bingo.
I was talking with a buddy in ESU right after Mumbai and he said it would be a blood bath if an attack like that happened in NYC.

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No LEO should be allowed to own, carry, or otherwise possess anything that is illegal for Joe citizen to. No exemptions period.

In places like NYC, Shitcago, and CA, cops would be nothing more than meter maids with rape whistles. In Texas cops could only CCW. In VA they if they want to walk around OCing their pistol and AR15, have at it.

If you're worried about this rule having an adverse affected on LEO saftey, repeal your shit gun control laws.

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Do these guys? And I bet they could handle their shit.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qlUEV6bKv4Q/TfZZtjt_nJI/AAAAAAAAABk/kfHGv2yts9k/s1600/lawmen+mainst+sepia.jpg

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I have to agree here.

I'm kinda partial to this look myself:

http://imageshack.us/a/img809/5275/texasrangers2.jpg http://www.aphf.org/oficyear.gif

Unpretentious, yet no nonsense.

 

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Given the OP's initial post, I think a pertinent question would be why are departments spending all of their money on paramilitary gear and not on training when training has a greater impact on any given situation than gear?

The obvious answer is that departments have a love affair with "tacticoolness". So while the officer may have better gear, the public impression of police is that that they are well equipped morons, because they lack even a basic level of training.

Before you flame me for being a hater, let me say that my dad and other guys in his department feel the same way - but they'd never say it publically.

Choosing gear over training will be a losing game for law enforcement. Going this route will make every department look like my county sheriffs department, where every deputy is issued a FA M 16 as a trunk gun, but the department won't spend the money for drug testing those deputies. Obvious results are obvious.

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I am not from TX, but those guys look sharp IMO.

Very professional.

4073

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Those  who  look  and  behave  like  loosers  usually  are.

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First: Because it would Vastly improve the public's view and remove much of the US and Them mentality.



Second: Did I ever say They should not have effective equipment?

The Officers I have seen around here wear a vest under their shirt so what

does it batter if it is a Mil type shirt or a Peace office looking shirt?.



As far as weapons which one has more "stopping power" 12 Ga Slug or .223

As far as rifles swap out the Black plastic and put on Wood or wood grain Plastic.

(remember Public Perception, after all a police officer is a PUBLIC Servant)

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I think the pussification of America is far worse than the militarization of the police.  

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Bingo.
I was talking with a buddy in ESU right after Mumbai and he said it would be a blood bath if an attack like that happened in NYC.

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The only benefit to  a NYC locale is that you guys could throw overwhelming numbers of under-equipped guys at them.

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Upon further consideration,  I will in fact be wearing pants to work tomorrow.

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Sounds like it's just me and VooDoo3dfx rocking it in the buff tomorrow.  

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You have some very well dressed thugs in your AO.

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Yeah because I'm sure we'd all be running right in.

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BEslan, not in the US, so there is no comparison.
Mumbai, not in the US, again, specious and not comparable.
Columbine, they stood around outside.
TRG

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You can't really compare Beslan and Mumbai to VT and Columbine.

We have been truly truly truly fortunate thatw e have not had a Beslan or a Mumbai here. Very fortunate.

When they do happen, they'll most likely happen in a rural low population place with a  long LE resposne time, worked by LEOs whose chief insisted that "it'll never happen here" as a reason to not train his guys.

Some places in the US try harder to be prepared than others.

Population is no guarantee that the LEOs are any more prepared. Look at Extorris' old dept as an example of that

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If every peace officer had to be as proficient with a rifle as our average Marine or 11B, the gear would make a lot more sense.

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Rock out with yer cock out!!!

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I know I'll get slapped for this but......

I started this gig 30 years ago, and yes,-we did dress like those guys from Texas, and this was in central Nevada.
No, we did not wear body armor, because it was to expensive, and no, we did not carry handheld radios, because they were to expensive.
I had a JeepWagoner with lights, siren and was a piece of crap. The radio sometimes worked, depending on where you were in the county.

My rifle at the time was an M-1 Garand. And it was issued. I had a choice, an 03-A3 or the Garand.
We did carry wheelguns, and I still have mine, but the Glock 40 I now carry is lighter, holds more, (gasp) dreaded hollow-point ammunition. (Which we were not allowed to carry when I started)
The uniforms were wrangler levis types, and tan shirts, and were expensive as hell at the time when you only made $398.00 a paycheck with a family to feed and other expenses.
The only issue item was the rifle, shotgun, and the car.

These days with the cargo pants, (god, what is the world coming too!), and now the cargo shirts with hidden pockets, what next?

As for the armor and the weapons. It's the changing of the times. Just as the military adapted to changes in their environment, we have adapted in ours.
In the late 80's, I switched to a Steyr-Aug. That was the Cats-ass weapon at the time. The Garand went away back to the armory.
I actually bought my own armor, at $1200.00, because by my 5th year into it, (1989) I had 4 friends who were shot down in the line of duty.

Now––yes, I have a plate carrier, and yes I have an up to date ACH helmet, and yes, I carry a very modern assault rifle with a military light with IR capability and yes, I have modern night vision as well. And I even have a commo setup that's wired to my radios and I wear under my helmet. And the dreaded black uniform, nope, I have green BDU's because I hate black clothes.
Do I wear this stuff all the time, hell no. Do I train with it, ––-all the time. Do I like to "frighten the public". Not a chance.

You know why I have this stuff?
The current body count of friends lost is 17, with others shot up.
Because in the end, if I have to go to an active shooter, or a bank robbery, or a domestic where some clown has a Remington 700 hunting rifle, or AK-47, SKS, etc, etc, I want to be able to protect myself or someone else that the whack-job is trying to kill.

The end result guys/gals, is this. I am going home at the end of the day, unless it is just "my day".
But, I am gonna protect myself and those around me, and those that want to call me a "jack-booted thug, you go ahead, I know different.

My job is still Serve and Protect and always will be––-

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Great post. Thank you, and sorry for the loss of your friends.

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No different than handgun proficiency

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I am not from TX, but those guys look sharp IMO.

Very professional.

4073

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If every peace officer had to be as proficient with a rifle as our average Marine or 11B, the gear would make a lot more sense.

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So you are a form over function guy then.

Let me guess....you don't like facial hair on cops or pro baseball players either.

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Let me ask You this

Do you do your best in Manners and Appearance to to make make your
department (and the Civilian Police Departments) cast in a positive light?

And please explain how wearing a mil style uniform makes you any safer

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I'm not a police officer so no, I don't do anything to make a department cast in a positive light.

Please explain how having pockets on your pants turns you into a destroyer of civil rights.

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Let me ask You this



Do you do your best in Manners and Appearance to to make make your

department (and the Civilian Police Departments) cast in a positive light?
And please explain how wearing a mil style uniform makes you any safer

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No LEO should be allowed to own, carry, or otherwise possess anything that is illegal for Joe citizen to. No exemptions period.



In places like NYC, Shitcago, and CA, cops would be nothing more than meter maids with rape whistles. In Texas cops could only CCW. In VA they if they want to walk around OCing their pistol and AR15, have at it.



If you're worried about this rule having an adverse affected on LEO saftey, repeal your shit gun control laws.

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So you are just talking out your ass

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Sounds like it's just me and VooDoo3dfx rocking it in the buff tomorrow.  

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Let me ask You this

Do you do your best in Manners and Appearance to to make make your
department (and the Civilian Police Departments) cast in a positive light?



And please explain how wearing a mil style uniform makes you any safer