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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, there’s a lot of legitimate criticism that cab be directed towards. But yeah, some of these posts and expectations are just way over the top. @Boomer All of the “It capitalism” “Ukraine!” And “COVID” comments fit into that category. That being said, most agree Boeings culture started its downhill roll when they absorbed McDonald Douglas. Ripples from that acquisition are still being felt today.. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:32:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, my assumption comes from your constant bitching about Boeing Huh? This is only me 2nd thread on the subject since these crashes happened 4 years ago. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:35:00 PM EDT
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this thread
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:36:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this thread It did go off the rails rather quickly 
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:36:15 PM EDT
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It’s something far more fundamental than the results of some merger. Boeing is just one of many companies that are suffering from the Finance Curse. Priority number one is to increase the value of the stock so company monies can be slushed off into offshore bank accounts never to be seen again.
The whole concept of having a company that lasts longer than a few years, never mind several generations becomes laughable. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:39:14 PM EDT
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Boeing has lost its way since the McDonald Douglas merger.
Those people fucked up Boeing and everything after that was icling on the cake. If the TCAS system and all the monkeys fucking a beach ball on the inside of Boeing is found to be the cause Boeing and everyone responsible in Boeing should get enough pain to stop the bean counters overruling the engineers the next time something like this comes across the table. As a former A&P who worked on Boeing products penny pinching on safety is not a good idea with things that fly around full of people and jet fuel. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:45:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, my assumption comes from your constant bitching about Boeing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: yup.....of course aeromech has some sort of ax aside from this to grind with Boeing.  So by your reckoning, anyone that points out a flaw of someone or something has an ax to grind? I've noticed critical thinking isn't your strong suite No, my assumption comes from your constant bitching about Boeing Could be wrong, but he's an aviation mechanic... wouldn't his opinion carry more weight because of that? |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:55:26 PM EDT
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The same people who think Alex Jones should owe the Sandy Hook families more money than Poland demands in reparations from Germany... are the same people who want Boeing to pay a pittance.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:00:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boeing's attorneys are free to make that argument. As a juror I am free to discount it, which is reason #3,289,087 why I will never try to avoid jury duty. Yeah that's a shitty argument from their lawyers. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread sure is bringing out the inner commie in some people. You mean like the employees of Peoples State Aircraft Factory #32, or BCA? |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same people who think Alex Jones should owe the Sandy Hook families more money than Poland demands in reparations from Germany... are the same people who want Boeing to pay a pittance. Please elaborate. Who thinks the judgement against Alex Jones was reasonable? Who thinks the victims of the 737 MAX crashes should only receive a pittance? And define pittance, please. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:10:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like the employees of Peoples State Aircraft Factory #32, or BCA? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This thread sure is bringing out the inner commie in some people. You mean like the employees of Peoples State Aircraft Factory #32, or BCA? Make the rich pay! |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:15:50 PM EDT
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Fine. Pay out for grief and loss. Then add an x2 multiplier on due to the negligence that their corporate culture has repeatedly Contributed to deaths like this.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:18:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fine. Pay out for grief and loss. Then add an x2 multiplier on due to the negligence that their corporate culture has repeatedly Contributed to deaths like this. How much in total per victim? Hard number, please. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:23:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Make the rich pay! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread sure is bringing out the inner commie in some people. You mean like the employees of Peoples State Aircraft Factory #32, or BCA? Make the rich pay! Yeah, I've got no sympathy for Boeing. Sorry. Boeing for example, spent the 1990s giving favorable lease rates to companies they liked. Legal, sure? An ethical business practice, I'd argue not so much. Boeing loved the Ex-Im Bank for years. Ex-Im funding was helpful to all sorts of foreign companies to drive American carriers out of their markets. Was it ethical for Boeing to enjoy taxpayer funded banking that was paid for by the employees and companies to their detriment. Sure, it was legal? Was it ethical? I'd argue not so much. Boeing certainly loved the DOD among others shotgun marrying their only domestic aircraft competitor to them. Did that benefit Airbus? Yep. Legal, yep. Ethical? Not so much. So, that's a postcard history of 1990s Boeing to the Max debacle, which was its own shit show of regulatory capture among other things. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:24:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much in total per victim? Hard number, please. How about 4 times the C suite compensation since 1995, divided among the victims families. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:01:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about 4 times the C suite compensation since 1995, divided among the victims families. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much in total per victim? Hard number, please. How about 4 times the C suite compensation since 1995, divided among the victims families. What does that pencil out to? |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Respectfully... I've... never known you to be a shill for the Military Industrial Complex... quite the opposite in fact. Why are you defending Boeing? Could be wrong, but he's an aviation mechanic... wouldn't his opinion carry more weight because of that? His opinion as an “aviation mechanic” is the equivalent of Dr Jill Bidens opinion on an brain aneurysm patient at a hospital. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:13:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? This is only me 2nd thread on the subject since these crashes happened 4 years ago. Your hatred of Boeing has come out in multiple threads. Regardless of how many you started you've posted in multiple and its the same hatred in every thread. You're predictable and continue to spew garbage about things you try to come off as knowledgable on but clearly have a lopsided view on and only see into it what you want to see. Your posts are more akin to the tripe on DU than they are on arfcom. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your hatred of Boeing has come out in multiple threads. Regardless of how many you started you've posted in multiple and its the same hatred in every thread. You're predictable and continue to spew garbage about things you try to come off as knowledgable on but clearly have a lopsided view on and only see into it what you want to see. Your posts are more akin to the tripe on DU than they are on arfcom. You're one of those "likes to hear himself talk" types, arent ya? |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're one of those "likes to hear himself talk" types, arent ya? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your hatred of Boeing has come out in multiple threads. Regardless of how many you started you've posted in multiple and its the same hatred in every thread. You're predictable and continue to spew garbage about things you try to come off as knowledgable on but clearly have a lopsided view on and only see into it what you want to see. Your posts are more akin to the tripe on DU than they are on arfcom. You're one of those "likes to hear himself talk" types, arent ya? Who has a higher daily post count?
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:30:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who has a higher daily post count? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your hatred of Boeing has come out in multiple threads. Regardless of how many you started you've posted in multiple and its the same hatred in every thread. You're predictable and continue to spew garbage about things you try to come off as knowledgable on but clearly have a lopsided view on and only see into it what you want to see. Your posts are more akin to the tripe on DU than they are on arfcom. You're one of those "likes to hear himself talk" types, arent ya? Who has a higher daily post count? 
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His opinion as an "aviation mechanic" is the equivalent of Dr Jill Bidens opinion on an brain aneurysm patient at a hospital. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Respectfully... I've... never known you to be a shill for the Military Industrial Complex... quite the opposite in fact. Why are you defending Boeing? Could be wrong, but he's an aviation mechanic... wouldn't his opinion carry more weight because of that? His opinion as an "aviation mechanic" is the equivalent of Dr Jill Bidens opinion on an brain aneurysm patient at a hospital. Aviation Mechanic is in the same field. Wouldn't his criticisms have more weight than what some stupid bitch with an advanced education degree has to say about aneurysms?
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:36:07 PM EDT
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I mean, IDK what people want? We can't drive BA to bankruptcy because they're our only aircraft manufacturer and they're necessary for our military and aerospace industries. It sucks, but people need to get over this. They've already been financially devastated and their stock is in the gutter.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please elaborate. Who thinks the judgement against Alex Jones was reasonable? Who thinks the victims of the 737 MAX crashes should only receive a pittance? And define pittance, please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The same people who think Alex Jones should owe the Sandy Hook families more money than Poland demands in reparations from Germany... are the same people who want Boeing to pay a pittance. Please elaborate. Who thinks the judgement against Alex Jones was reasonable? Who thinks the victims of the 737 MAX crashes should only receive a pittance? And define pittance, please. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:39:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, IDK what people want? We can't drive BA to bankruptcy because they're our only aircraft manufacturer and they're necessary for our military and aerospace industries. It sucks, but people need to get over this. They've already been financially devastated and their stock is in the gutter. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:41:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, IDK what people want? We can't drive BA to bankruptcy because they're our only aircraft manufacturer and they're necessary for our military and aerospace industries. It sucks, but people need to get over this. They've already been financially devastated and their stock is in the gutter. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:42:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, they probably didn’t suffer any pain -sheer terror is a different story. Yup |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 4:51:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jill Biden is not an MD. She comes from a completely different field. She has an undeserved doctorate in Education... Aviation Mechanic is in the same field. Wouldn't his criticisms have more weight than what some stupid bitch with an advanced education degree has to say about aneurysms? Depends on things. If his career is based around basic maintenance on Piper Cubs than his opinion isn’t worth shit. Understanding the ins and outs of everything involved… very different story. So far all he’s done is ramble like a crackhead walking through Portland. The fact he spews nothing not hatred for the same subject/company over and over says enough. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on things. If his career is based around basic maintenance on Piper Cubs than his opinion isn't worth shit. Understanding the ins and outs of everything involved very different story. So far all he's done is ramble like a crackhead walking through Portland. The fact he spews nothing not hatred for the same subject/company over and over says enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jill Biden is not an MD. She comes from a completely different field. She has an undeserved doctorate in Education... Aviation Mechanic is in the same field. Wouldn't his criticisms have more weight than what some stupid bitch with an advanced education degree has to say about aneurysms? Depends on things. If his career is based around basic maintenance on Piper Cubs than his opinion isn't worth shit. Understanding the ins and outs of everything involved very different story. So far all he's done is ramble like a crackhead walking through Portland. The fact he spews nothing not hatred for the same subject/company over and over says enough. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, they probably didn’t suffer any pain -sheer terror is a different story. I highly doubt they all died painlessly. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:09:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on things. If his career is based around basic maintenance on Piper Cubs than his opinion isn't worth shit. Understanding the ins and outs of everything involved very different story. So far all he's done is ramble like a crackhead walking through Portland. The fact he spews nothing not hatred for the same subject/company over and over says enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jill Biden is not an MD. She comes from a completely different field. She has an undeserved doctorate in Education... Aviation Mechanic is in the same field. Wouldn't his criticisms have more weight than what some stupid bitch with an advanced education degree has to say about aneurysms? Depends on things. If his career is based around basic maintenance on Piper Cubs than his opinion isn't worth shit. Understanding the ins and outs of everything involved very different story. So far all he's done is ramble like a crackhead walking through Portland. The fact he spews nothing not hatred for the same subject/company over and over says enough. That being said, I cant speak to his post history, as he doesn't occupy my mind as much you do. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on things. If his career is based around basic maintenance on Piper Cubs than his opinion isn’t worth shit. Understanding the ins and outs of everything involved… very different story. So far all he’s done is ramble like a crackhead walking through Portland. The fact he spews nothing not hatred for the same subject/company over and over says enough. Speaking of crackheads. How is it my fault you can’t understand clear and concise opinions being posted? |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I dont follow the Op's post history closely enough. Even if you did follow my history you’d see this is only the second thread posted on the 737MAX issue in 4 years. According to Nachotwit you’d think I’ve made the issue the centerpiece of my posting on this site.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:39:12 PM EDT
[#35]
You misspelled lawyers...
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:57:04 PM EDT
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Hell awaits them
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Posted: 3/21/2023 5:58:17 PM EDT
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The jury is gonna love reading that...
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:00:40 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ridiculous excessive litigation needs to stop. It's truly why we can't have anything. There can never be perfection or zero risk. To think there can be is delusional. Safety is bullshit. Bravery is real. Outrage is for chicks. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:03:16 PM EDT
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Imagine being a Conservative, and shilling for these people.
 Or these people: https://www.shell.com/careers/about-careers-at-shell/we-are-one-team/diversity-inclusion/prideoffshore.html Or these people: https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/15/kellogg-pledged-91-million-to-racial-division-while-slashing-employee-benefits/ Or these people: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/kroger-pay-180k-firing-workers-refused-wear-logo-allegedly-resembling-rcna54550 I can't understand why Conservatives, to this day, still cuck for Big Business knowing fullwell they *HATE YOU* and everything you stand for. Instead, more Conservative should take the Tom Cotton stance...  Tom Cotton Grills CEO Over Firings Of Employees Who Refused To Wear 'Gay Pride' Symbol |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pure scum. Fpni. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much in total per victim? Hard number, please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fine. Pay out for grief and loss. Then add an x2 multiplier on due to the negligence that their corporate culture has repeatedly Contributed to deaths like this. How much in total per victim? Hard number, please. Announced $20 billion for share buybacks in 2018 before crashes/ number of victims = per victim payout. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:16:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you did follow my history you’d see this is only the second thread posted on the 737MAX issue in 4 years. According to Nachotwit you’d think I’ve made the issue the centerpiece of my posting on this site. Certain things are easy to note. Like your screen name posting garbage in essentially every Boeing thread. It’s like the CEO of Boeing kicked your dog and stole your ice cream when you were a toddler. Recognize your own fixation on it, it’s comical to a point. Same with the one guy who constantly shits in every sig thread. Eventually it becomes something people on here notice as a consistent issue. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:20:19 PM EDT
[#43]
Great company.
Recruiting is heavy now, you can join the family to follow your dreams of an exciting aerospace job, too. Be sure to bring your pronouns. Your DIE certification will be supplied by Boeing. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:26:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate McDonnell Douglas management. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: See this? This is why folks hate lawyers. I hate Boeing too I hate McDonnell Douglas management. Boeing bought MDA in 1997. It's past time to let that go, everything Boeing is today belongs to today's managers and board. The current CEO is a product of the GE system and Blackstone. The company looks nothing like the 1997 or 2000 company from the inside. From the outside you see the propaganda and inadequate reporting from the press; there's no way to know the whole truth without getting on the inside of the company to witness and gain experience first hand. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread sure is bringing out the inner commie in some people. And the usual derp and ignorance. Boeing was never the great engineering company the public imagines. That is a easy to back up by referring anyone that wants to research to the airworthiness directives. Barely adequate engineering of airliners to minimum standards is the real truth, along with repeating the same old bad decisions, although the 787 set a new paradigm. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:29:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine being a Conservative, and shilling for these people. https://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/features/2019/06/Gearhart-630x737.jpg Or these people: https://www.shell.com/careers/about-careers-at-shell/we-are-one-team/diversity-inclusion/prideoffshore.html Or these people: https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/15/kellogg-pledged-91-million-to-racial-division-while-slashing-employee-benefits/ Or these people: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/kroger-pay-180k-firing-workers-refused-wear-logo-allegedly-resembling-rcna54550 I can't understand why Conservatives, to this day, still cuck for Big Business knowing fullwell they *HATE YOU* and everything you stand for. Instead, more Conservative should take the Tom Cotton stance...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50JG4Iv9Z78Imagine paying taxes to a government. Literally an establishment shill. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:43:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine paying taxes to a government. Literally an establishment shill. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 6:57:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great company. Recruiting is heavy now, you can join the family to follow your dreams of an exciting aerospace job, too. Be sure to bring your pronouns. Your DIE certification will be supplied by Boeing. Nobody buys that shit but HR |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody buys that shit but HR Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great company. Recruiting is heavy now, you can join the family to follow your dreams of an exciting aerospace job, too. Be sure to bring your pronouns. Your DIE certification will be supplied by Boeing. Nobody buys that shit but HR Whoosh. My sarcasm was intentionally subtle. When I retired I attempted to cut all ties. I'm getting closer, I guess I'll get another piece of a performance bonus this year. I retired in 2021. I will always receive paperwork for a health insurance option for some retirees; it's so expensive I doubt there are many takers - which would be exactly the way Boeing would structure the option. I no longer pray for Boeing to go out of business, only because I have a handful of friends still working. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody buys that shit but HR Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great company. Recruiting is heavy now, you can join the family to follow your dreams of an exciting aerospace job, too. Be sure to bring your pronouns. Your DIE certification will be supplied by Boeing. Nobody buys that shit but HR When June comes around, and companies start engaging in degeneracy worship on social media because its LGBT month... all the neo-libs and leftists come out to lick their corporate boots. Fuckers will literally PRAISE SHELL OIL, when Shell is more than happy to give money to the Nigerian government... to get them to murder protestors and villagers for committing the horrible "crime" of living on ancestral lands that the oil companies want to drill. Shell will go out there and fund the 1619 project and tell Americans that the REVOLUTIONARY WAR Was fought over the issue of slavery (Yes, thats what the corporate sponsored "1619 Project" claims). They'll tell you how you're racist, and how you need to change... but then happily murder black people in order to steal their oil. They should go FUCK THEMSELVES. If a Nigerian were to go to Shell's HQ and went in and shot the executives to death who had made those evil decisions... I'd celebrate with a beer. |
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