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Bergdahl to be court marshaled! This is the best news I could have heard today. The army is actually doing the right thing.
We did it. if the 501st had remained silent, he would still be lauded as a hero. |
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I hope you're kidding. Didn't soldiers die looking for him? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Early whisperings are he will likely get an other than honorable discharge and his sentence will be time served for the time he spent with his captors. No jail time in the US and definitely not a firing squad. I hope you're kidding. Didn't soldiers die looking for him? Yes, but I still wouldn't expect much in the way of harsh punishment. |
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The new one will be "I don't comment on active cases" when he's asked about it next. Except for when he does comment on active cases (cough Trayvon cough). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FBHO will pardon him if found guilty. He would do best to ignore the whole situation.........and try to let it pass unnoticed, but we all know he won't be able to do that. That's pretty much his style; ignore fuck ups and they seem to go away. Besides, who gots time fo dat? The new one will be "I don't comment on active cases" when he's asked about it next. Except for when he does comment on active cases (cough Trayvon cough). Exactly. |
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Hillary Clinton: Bowe Bergdahl actions irrelevant By LUCY MCCALMONT | 6/6/14 6:16 PM EDT Updated: 6/9/14 11:54 AM EDT
Hillary Clinton is defending the deal that freed Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, dismissing questions about how he fell into the hands of the Taliban as beside the point. “It doesn’t matter,” Clinton said in an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer that aired Friday. “We bring our people home.” The former secretary of state’s argument echoes that of President Barack Obama, who has come under fire for the prisoner swap that led to Bergdahl’s freedom amid questions about whether he may have abandoned his post and deserted or defected. The military is investigating. Clinton’s comments come as the former secretary of state begins to make the rounds ahead of the release of her latest memoir, “Hard Choices,” on Tuedsay. “I think this was a very hard choice, which is why I think my book is aptly named,” Clinton said, referring to the Bergdahl deal. “If you look at what the factors were going into the decision, of course there are competing interests and values. And one of our values is we bring everybody home off the battlefield the best we can. It doesn’t matter how they ended up in a prisoner of war situation.” The Daily Beast reported this week that when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, she was skeptical of the possible deal with the Taliban and was pressing for strict conditions in any agreement. "We bring our people home" Unless theyre being over run at an embassy and it wouldnt suit you politically to defend them. |
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I'd love to watch The ONE'S conniption fit over this.............
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It's about damn time they charged his worthless ass for being a deserter.
I don't think that NBC will be covering this latest development in the Bergdal saga too much though. |
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Yes, but I still wouldn't expect much in the way of harsh punishment. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Early whisperings are he will likely get an other than honorable discharge and his sentence will be time served for the time he spent with his captors. No jail time in the US and definitely not a firing squad. I hope you're kidding. Didn't soldiers die looking for him? Yes, but I still wouldn't expect much in the way of harsh punishment. I imagine the cocksucker will be disappeared and turned into gator shit if he gets off with nothing more than a light slap on the wrist. |
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Mistreatment of prisoners and possibly behead you. That's what I understand their reputation to be. Now, I've never been a Taliban prisoner or had a conversation with one, but I don't imagine it's like being a prisoner of the Germans in WW2 where you get care packages from the Red Cross. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And what exactly would the Taliban's reputation be? Mistreatment of prisoners and possibly behead you. That's what I understand their reputation to be. Now, I've never been a Taliban prisoner or had a conversation with one, but I don't imagine it's like being a prisoner of the Germans in WW2 where you get care packages from the Red Cross. Well, Bergdahl did OK, didn't he? Afghans aren't Iraqi; beheading is an Arabic thing. |
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Yes, but I still wouldn't expect much in the way of harsh punishment. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Early whisperings are he will likely get an other than honorable discharge and his sentence will be time served for the time he spent with his captors. No jail time in the US and definitely not a firing squad. I hope you're kidding. Didn't soldiers die looking for him? Yes, but I still wouldn't expect much in the way of harsh punishment. Indeed. He should have been put up against a wall and shot months ago.... but more than likely he'll get a DD and make millions selling books and making speeches. |
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IMHO, if Gen Milley were left to his own diescretion, Bergdahl would be hammered into the dirt like a tent peg. I think, however, that there will be external influences to cause him to be more pragmatic. My bet is 5-10 yrs confinement, BCD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do you have a feel for his politics? Will he softpedal it for obama or will he hammer Bergdahl? IMHO, if Gen Milley were left to his own diescretion, Bergdahl would be hammered into the dirt like a tent peg. I think, however, that there will be external influences to cause him to be more pragmatic. My bet is 5-10 yrs confinement, BCD. Milley is a hard motherfucker. Back in early 2005, my battalion commander made O-6 and that made him and Milley the same rank....it was very interesting after that. |
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Quoted: It's on their front page. And fuck you for making me go there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How much coverage will msnbc give to this? It's on their front page. And fuck you for making me go there. Ha! You only go there if it's your turn to keep an eye on them - and it obviously wasn't your turn. Now they'll be touting that their ratings doubled. |
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Indeed. He should have been put up against a wall and shot months ago.... but more than likely he'll get a DD and make millions selling books and making speeches. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Early whisperings are he will likely get an other than honorable discharge and his sentence will be time served for the time he spent with his captors. No jail time in the US and definitely not a firing squad. I hope you're kidding. Didn't soldiers die looking for him? Yes, but I still wouldn't expect much in the way of harsh punishment. Indeed. He should have been put up against a wall and shot months ago.... but more than likely he'll get a DD and make millions selling books and making speeches. I vote for the disappeard into Gator Shit option. |
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Apparently Wolfman Napolitano says the Gov't will want a guilty plea from Berghdal to prevent Obama from being subpoenaed (which would happen after he leaves office).
So I'd think that he may be in deep shit if Barry wants to bury his secrets/failures. |
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Quoted: I sincerely hope the whisperings you're hearing are WAY off base. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Early whisperings are he will likely get an other than honorable discharge and his sentence will be time served for the time he spent with his captors. No jail time in the US and definitely not a firing squad. I sincerely hope the whisperings you're hearing are WAY off base. Whisperings gauge opinions/polling - which drives politics, and this won't go well for the deserter. |
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He would do best to ignore the whole situation.........and try to let it pass unnoticed, but we all know he won't be able to do that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FBHO will pardon him if found guilty. He would do best to ignore the whole situation.........and try to let it pass unnoticed, but we all know he won't be able to do that. That's exactly what Obama will do, IMO. Y'all are delusional if you think Obama gives the slightest shit one way or the other. Berghdal is just some irrelevant little guy that was useful for Obama to be able to get a cool photo op and pretend to be "bringing home" a soldier. He no longer cares, because there's nothing in it for him. He cares about as much about Berghdal as he cares about some sob story he brings in for the State of the Union address, so they can stand up an everyone can clap while Obama pretends to care. 10 seconds later, he will have forgotten their name. He'll probably not comment at all. If he does, it's just be some empty statement like "I trust the military commanders to act appropriate with the new information they now have" - and then go play golf or whatever. |
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That will go great with his Prisoner of War medal, 5 years back pay, and promotions he received
http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=17724 Bowe Robert Bergdahl Date of birth: March 28, 1986 Place of Birth: Idaho, Sun Valley Home of record: Sun Valley Idaho Status: POW Bowe Bergdahl was held as a Prisoner of War for nearly five years after he was captured in Afghanistan, and was the longest-held Prisoner of War in the Wars on Terrorism. Prisoner of War Medal Awarded for actions during the Global War on Terror Private First Class Bowe Robert Bergdahl, United States Army, was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan on 30 June 2009 and was held as a Prisoner of War until his release in May 2014. Action Date: June 30, 2009 - May 2014 Service: Army Rank: Private First Class Division: Prisoner of War (Afghanistan) Link (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier captured in Afghanistan in 2009 has received his second promotion while in captivity, U.S. Central Command announced Friday. With the promotion, Bowe Bergdahl, 25, rises to the rank of sergeant. He was last promoted in June 2010 to the rank of specialist, according to Central Command. Brig. Gen. Rick Mustion, the adjutant general of the Army, traveled to Bergdahl's hometown of Hailey, Idaho, on Thursday to deliver the promotion certificate to his parents. The Army has been giving Bergdahl promotions that would have come to him had his Army career gone as planned. If he returns home safely, the Army will give him all the back pay that he has earned while in captivity. Bergdahl was a private first class when he disappeared in June 2009, after finishing his guard shift at a combat outpost in southeastern Afghanistan's Paktika province. He has been seen in several videos released by the Taliban. |
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Okay, tinfoil on:
Bergdahl walks, gets rich on the lecture tour. Gets shot and killed with an AR15 full of M855 by a "PTSD-stricken combat vet" in a few months.... [/tinfoil] |
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It's good news but I'm thinking this is a formality to be followed by a slap on the wrist.
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Susan Rice said he served with honor and distinction. How could the president's own security adviser be wrong??
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A recent case last month, a Marine for two years BCD other shit. But this kind of thing doesn't happen often, Death. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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News conference at Fort Bragg at 3:30 pm. Desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. What are the (a) typical and (b) maximum punishments for this? A recent case last month, a Marine for two years BCD other shit. But this kind of thing doesn't happen often, Death. Did the Marine desert in a combat zone and seek out the enemy, or did he bag out from Lejuene, Pendleton, or some other CONUS post? Huge difference. |
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misbehavior before the enemy is the REALLY bad one
"Any member of the armed forces who before or in the presence of the enemy— (1) runs away; (2) shamefully abandons, surrenders, or delivers up any command, unit, place, or military property which it is his duty to defend; (3) through disobedience, neglect, or intentional misconduct endangers the safety of any such command, unit, place, or military property; (4) casts away his arms or ammunition; (5) is guilty of cowardly conduct; (6) quits his place of duty to plunder or pillage; (7) causes false alarms in any command, unit, or place under control of the armed forces; (8) willfully fails to do his utmost to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy any enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or any other thing, which it is his duty so to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy; or (9) does not afford all practicable relief and assistance to any troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or their allies when engaged in battle; shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.” Elements. (1) Running away. (a) That the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy; (b) That the accused misbehaved by running away; and (c) That the accused intended to avoid actual or impending combat with the enemy by running away. (2) Shamefully abandoning, surrendering, or delivering up command. (a) That the accused was charged by orders or circumstances with the duty to defend a certain command, unit, place, ship, or military property; (b) That, without justification, the accused shamefully abandoned, surrendered, or delivered up that command, unit, place, ship, or military property; and (c) That this act occurred while the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy. (3) Endangering safety of a command, unit, place, ship, or military property. (a) That it was the duty of the accused to de-fend a certain command, unit, place, ship, or certain military property; (b) That the accused committed certain disobedience, neglect, or intentional misconduct; (c) That the accused thereby endangered the safety of the command, unit, place, ship, or military property; and (d) That this act occurred while the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy. (4) Casting away arms or ammunition. (a) That the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy; and (b) That the accused cast away certain arms or ammunition. (5) Cowardly conduct. (a) That the accused committed an act of cowardice; (b) That this conduct occurred while the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy; and (c) That this conduct was the result of fear. (6) Quitting place of duty to plunder or pillage. (a) That the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy; (b) That the accused quit the accused’s place of duty; and (c) That the accused’s intention in quitting was to plunder or pillage public or private property. (7) Causing false alarms. (a) That an alarm was caused in a certain command, unit, or place under control of the armed forces of the United States; (b) That the accused caused the alarm; (c) That the alarm was caused without any reasonable or sufficient justification or excuse; and (d) That this act occurred while the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy. (8) Willfully failing to do utmost to encounter enemy. (a) That the accused was serving before or in the presence of the enemy; (b) That the accused had a duty to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy certain enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or a certain other thing; and (c) That the accused willfully failed to do the utmost to perform that duty. (9) Failing to afford relief and assistance. (a) That certain troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or an ally of the United States were engaged in battle and required relief and assistance; (b) That the accused was in a position and able to render relief and assistance to these troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft, without jeopardy to the accused’s mission; (c) That the accused failed to afford all practicable relief and assistance; and (d) That, at the time, the accused was before or in the presence of the enemy. Explanation. (1) Running away. (a) Running away. "Running away” means an unauthorized departure to avoid actual or impending combat. It need not, however, be the result of fear, and there is no requirement that the accused literally run. (b) Enemy. "Enemy” includes organized forces of the enemy in time of war, any hostile body that our forces may be opposing, such as a rebellious mob or a band of renegades, and includes civilians as well as members of military organizations. "Enemy” is not restricted to the enemy government or its armed forces. All the citizens of one belligerent are enemies of the government and all the citizens of the other. (c) Before the enemy. Whether a person is "before the enemy” is a question of tactical relation, not distance. For example, a member of an antiaircraft gun crew charged with opposing anticipated attack from the air, or a member of a unit about to move into combat may be before the enemy although miles from the enemy lines. On the other hand, an organization some distance from the front or immediate area of combat which is not a part of a tactical operation then going on or in immediate prospect is not "before or in the presence of the enemy” within the meaning of this article. (2) Shamefully abandoning, surrendering, or delivering up of command. (a) Scope. This provision concerns primarily commanders chargeable with responsibility for defending a command, unit, place, ship or military property. Abandonment by a subordinate would ordinarily be charged as running away. (b) Shameful. Surrender or abandonment with-out justification is shameful within the meaning of this article. (c) Surrender; deliverup. "Surrender” and "deliver up” are synonymous for the purposes of this article. (d) Justification. Surrender or abandonment of a command, unit, place, ship, or military property by a person charged with its can be justified only by the utmost necessity or extremity. (3) Endangering safety of a command, unit, place, ship, or military property. (a) Neglect. "Neglect” is the absence of conduct which would have been taken by a reasonably careful person in the same or similar circumstances. (b) Intentional misconduct. "Intentional misconduct” does not include a mere error in judgment. (4) Casting away arms or ammunition. Self-explanatory. (5) Cowardly conduct. (a) Cowardice. "Cowardice” is misbehavior motivated by fear. (b) Fear. Fear is a natural feeling of apprehension when going into battle. The mere display of apprehension does not constitute this offense. (c) Nature of offense. Refusal or abandonment of a performance of duty before or in the presence of the enemy as a result of fear constitutes this offense. (d) Defense. Genuine and extreme illness, not generated by cowardice, is a defense. (6) Quitting place of duty to plunder or pillage. (a) Place of duty. "Place of duty” includes any place of duty, whether permanent or temporary, fixed or mobile. (b) Plunder or pillage. "Plunder or pillage” means to seize or appropriate public or private property unlawfully. (c) Nature of offense. The essence of this offense is quitting the place of duty with intent to plunder or pillage. Merely quitting with that purpose is sufficient, even if the intended misconduct is not done. (7) Causing false alarms. This provision covers spreading of false or disturbing rumors or reports, as well as the false giving of established alarm signals. (8) Willfully failing to do utmost to encounter enemy. Willfully refusing a lawful order to go on a combat patrol may violate this provision. (9) Failing to afford relief and assistance. (a) All practicable relief and assistance. "All practicable relief and assistance” means all relief and assistance which should be afforded within the limitations imposed upon a person by reason of that person’s own specific tasks or mission. (b) Nature of offense. This offense is limited to a failure to afford relief and assistance to forces "engaged in battle.” Lesser included offenses. (1) Running away. (a) Article 85—desertion with intent to avoid hazardous or important service (b) Article 86—absence without authority; going from appointed place of duty (c) Article 80—attempts (2) Shamefully abandoning, surrendering, or delivering up command. Article 80—attempts (3) Endangering safety of a command, unit, place, ship, or military property. (4) Casting away arms or ammunition. (a) Article 108—military property of the United States—loss, damage, destruction, or wrongful disposition. (b) Article 80—attempts (5) Cowardly conduct. (a) Article 85—desertion with intent to avoid hazardous duty or important service (b) Article 86—absence without authority (c) Article 99—running away (d) Article 80—attempts (6) Quitting place of duty to plunder or pillage. (7) Causing false alarms. Article 80—attempts (8) Willfully failing to do utmost to encounter enemy. Article 80—attempts (9) Failing to afford relief and assistance. Article 80—attempts Maximum punishment. All offenses under Article 99. 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WaPo says Bergdahl got his charge sheet, and update/presser in 5 minutes...
"Eugene Fidell, Bergdahl’s attorney, told The Washington Post that his client was handed a charge sheet on Tuesday. Army officials announced they will provide an update in his case at 3:30 p.m. at Fort Bragg, N.C., but declined to discuss new developments ahead of the news conference." http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/25/bowe-bergdahl-once-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/ |
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They've disrespected the men who were tasked with finding him and lost their lives.
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Come on, Shep!
What has the WH known about before the fact?!? |
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In the meantime SECARMY has announced that the FORSCOM commander will be replaced...
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Did the Marine desert in a combat zone and seek out the enemy, or did he bag out from Lejuene, Pendleton, or some other CONUS post? Huge difference. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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News conference at Fort Bragg at 3:30 pm. Desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. What are the (a) typical and (b) maximum punishments for this? A recent case last month, a Marine for two years BCD other shit. But this kind of thing doesn't happen often, Death. Did the Marine desert in a combat zone and seek out the enemy, or did he bag out from Lejuene, Pendleton, or some other CONUS post? Huge difference. feel free to google "marine deserter". Combat with a weapon. |
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That's exactly what Obama will do, IMO. Y'all are delusional if you think Obama gives the slightest shit one way or the other. Berghdal is just some irrelevant little guy that was useful for Obama to be able to get a cool photo op and pretend to be "bringing home" a soldier. He no longer cares, because there's nothing in it for him. He cares about as much about Berghdal as he cares about some sob story he brings in for the State of the Union address, so they can stand up an everyone can clap while Obama pretends to care. 10 seconds later, he will have forgotten their name. He'll probably not comment at all. If he does, it's just be some empty statement like "I trust the military commanders to act appropriate with the new information they now have" - and then go play golf or whatever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FBHO will pardon him if found guilty. He would do best to ignore the whole situation.........and try to let it pass unnoticed, but we all know he won't be able to do that. That's exactly what Obama will do, IMO. Y'all are delusional if you think Obama gives the slightest shit one way or the other. Berghdal is just some irrelevant little guy that was useful for Obama to be able to get a cool photo op and pretend to be "bringing home" a soldier. He no longer cares, because there's nothing in it for him. He cares about as much about Berghdal as he cares about some sob story he brings in for the State of the Union address, so they can stand up an everyone can clap while Obama pretends to care. 10 seconds later, he will have forgotten their name. He'll probably not comment at all. If he does, it's just be some empty statement like "I trust the military commanders to act appropriate with the new information they now have" - and then go play golf or whatever. This, sadly. I prefer the painful death route for him myself. |
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and collect the amount of the Beretta and the gear he lost too.......
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Wonder what the terrorists Obama freed for this traitor are doing. What about the men who died trying to find this piece of shit? Well, they got the death penalty. |
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I would rather die than go to the brig with those charges. Fuck that POS.
FBHO FHRC FSR |
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The US Army has been sitting on this case for months because it proves that Obama and his admin are liars. Susan Rice: Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction' http://youtu.be/BdGe0uP7W-c View Quote Well he did serve the terrorists with honor and distinction........ I wish someone had clipped that fucker and ended this shit appropriately. Pushing him out of the chopper would have worked too. |
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