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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:17:05 PM EST
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"when you pay, I'll tell you where the landmines are buried."
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:17:51 PM EST
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If it makes the owners of the seized land feel better the rail line under construction on O'ahu is just as fooked up. Shorter, but just as incompetently planned.
Long WSJ article (paywall), outline.com won't print it HONOLULU—The train through paradise should have been complete by now. The dream was an elevated rail system to bypass what has been some of the country’s worst traffic, whisking commuters from the farmland and swelling suburbs of West Oahu into the heart of Honolulu. The 20-mile route parallels one of the world’s most glorious tropical shorelines. More than a decade after inception, having spanned the tenures of three mayors and three governors and outlived its most powerful benefactor in Congress, the project is only half built. Hopes it might transform the crowded island city anytime soon are fading. Among the cascade of problems: Honolulu pushed ahead before fully planning the project, and nearly 100 contracts had to be reworked, causing delays. The city began construction before fully checking Native Hawaiian burial grounds, and a judge halted the project for over a year. Planners built too close to power lines, so Honolulu must shell out hundreds of millions of dollars to move them. Dogged by such blunders, the project has seen its price tag soar to more than $9 billion from about $5 billion. The cost overruns are among the largest that transportation experts say they’ve ever seen. The cost has led to an extra excise tax on businesses, which can affect the price of goods and services, and it has hit tourists through an expanded hotel tax................................ |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:17:57 PM EST
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Dead politicians don't act like this. 
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:18:28 PM EST
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Then just take your land back, break the deal face the wheel. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:20:33 PM EST
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How can they not pay? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:20:52 PM EST
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They had billions to give to illegals for Heath care in CA, but not to pay people whose property they took? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:21:15 PM EST
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Communists literally do not believe in private property.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:21:39 PM EST
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Brunch standoff 2.0. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:23:09 PM EST
[#9]
they never had the money to pay for it.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:23:58 PM EST
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Politicians and judges should be forced to go in person to remove people from their land instead of hiding behind police. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:25:36 PM EST
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How can they not pay? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:25:56 PM EST
[#12]
If an illegal owned the ground, they would get paid double and have a statue erected in their honor.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:30:44 PM EST
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Seems like it would be a no brained in court. You have compensate people. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:31:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t that happen in England and the farmer shot him? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:33:21 PM EST
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Seems like a good reason for the farmers to kick off the boogaloo.
I mean salt of the earth farmers ripped off through eminent domain by the evil government. They should load up their pickup trucks and drive into Sacramento. Takeover a few government buildings and demand payments. Dare the government of California to act against a masse of farmers whose land they stole. It would be bigger than the Bundy ranch. It would also be a righteous crusade against socialist tyranny. One can dream. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:34:23 PM EST
[#16]
This is why they want to ban all guns.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:35:32 PM EST
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Who do you think pays the judges? Who decides which judges get appointed to higher courts? It's so cute when people say "go to court" when something like this happens, or when we get an anti 2A law.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:39:37 PM EST
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Trump took the feds or threatens to take the feds contribution back. Besides it's Commifornia, any one who objects is a counter revolutionary.  Fuck you, we'll just steal more property.......
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Motherfuckers need to do jail time over this, lots of jail time. meanwhile in reality.....aint a damned thing gonna happen. 
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:44:27 PM EST
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Seems like it would be a no brained in court. You have compensate people. 
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:45:29 PM EST
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Dead politicians don't act like this. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:47:13 PM EST
[#21]
IIRC, Boston bought whole apartment buildings in the way of "The Big Dig" for $1 using eminent domain, telling the owners to sue for what the building is worth.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:48:07 PM EST
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Dead politicians don't act like this. shit will change real quick when there is pissed off land owners |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:54:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting you should say that, since the rail project was pretty much handed to Tutor Perini corp without a genuine bidding process. At the time Diane Feinstein's husband Richard Blum was at the helm of Tutor Perini. It's also not the first time that Feinstein's husband magically secured contracts within California. 
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:58:46 PM EST
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I’ll say it’s killdozer time How easy is it to rent a D8? Will they drop one off at your house? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP can you hotlink a news article on this or are you the source? It just doesn't sound like CA has the money, and they are also going back and telling the landowners they need more or different parcels. My money says they will never pay, and some leftist judge somewhere will side with the state claiming its for the "greater good" How easy is it to rent a D8? Will they drop one off at your house? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:59:15 PM EST
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Interesting you should say that, since the rail project was pretty much handed to Tutor Perini corp without a genuine bidding process. At the time Diane Feinstein's husband Richard Blum was at the helm of Tutor Perini. It's also not the first time that Feinstein's husband magically secured contracts within California. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dead politicians don't act like this. ETA: Is that one guy saying that not only did they take land from him that they haven't paid for but also made him clear the land on his own dime? WTF?!? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:01:19 PM EST
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Commies doing what commies always do. Shocked I tell you, shocked!
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:01:22 PM EST
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If an illegal owned the ground, they would get paid double and have a statue erected in their honor. Of course the illegals mostly won't put 2 and 2 together but..... |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:07:13 PM EST
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Dead politicians don't act like this. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:26:19 PM EST
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Then just take your land back, break the deal face the wheel. What happens after that, I really can't predict. You will have to make a decision with 32 trans council members calling you bad names. Good luck. (Seriously, good luck.) |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:30:27 PM EST
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But honestly, what else do you expect from that Banana Republic we call California. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:32:02 PM EST
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The farmers need to demand to either get paid now or price of food goes up 25%. That requires farmers to unite, and we know that won't happen. Commies win round 2.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:36:53 PM EST
[#32]
This is what tar and feathers, and ultimately rope and lamp posts are for.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:39:34 PM EST
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Dead politicians don't act like this. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:42:04 PM EST
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The farmers need to demand to either get paid now or price of food goes up 25%. That requires farmers to unite, and we know that won't happen. Commies win round 2. What you're talking about would require a cartel. Like OPEC. In effect, a trust that would force it's members to control production so as to manage prices. Even if you got all the farmers in California to do that, it wouldn't affect what farmers in other States (and countries) do. And you wouldn't get all the farmers in California to do that. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:46:04 PM EST
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How can they not pay? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:50:09 PM EST
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"Freedom's just another word for...nothing left to lose...."
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:51:29 PM EST
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where's the "beware of leopard" sign?
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:52:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting you should say that, since the rail project was pretty much handed to Tutor Perini corp without a genuine bidding process. At the time Diane Feinstein's husband Richard Blum was at the helm of Tutor Perini. It's also not the first time that Feinstein's husband magically secured contracts within California. The entire CA Dem Legislature needs to be investigated right up their dark bungholes |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:53:38 PM EST
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It's good for the collective. You should feel honored Comrade! |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:54:08 PM EST
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I bet Feinstein's husband got paid.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:54:16 PM EST
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Seems like it would be a no brained in court. You have compensate people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How can they not pay? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:55:43 PM EST
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This, is where killdozers come from.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:59:29 PM EST
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"when you pay, I'll tell you where the landmines are buried." |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 9:59:52 PM EST
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Posted: 6/15/2019 10:05:29 PM EST
[#45]
did they give that money to illegals for their lawyer money?
serious question.. 
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Posted: 6/15/2019 10:08:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not how it works. That's not how anything works. What you're talking about would require a cartel. Like OPEC. In effect, a trust that would force it's members to control production so as to manage prices. Even if you got all the farmers in California to do that, it wouldn't affect what farmers in other States (and countries) do. And you wouldn't get all the farmers in California to do that. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 10:12:17 PM EST
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Seems like it would be a no brained in court. You have compensate people. Oh wait, tin foil bullshit. Yet, the majority of fires were on the right of way. Deal with it. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 10:13:59 PM EST
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There is land near Hanford, Washington, and Tremont, Illinois, that the US government took during WWII. Not all landowners were ever paid. Hanford was a nuclear site and Tremont was a POW camp and training base. FDR was not too concerned about property rights or eminent domain, or anything else. This the situation AOC, Bernie and Elizabeth Warren would like to be in today.
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Posted: 6/15/2019 10:15:10 PM EST
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How can they not pay? |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 10:18:21 PM EST
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Sounds pretty cut and dry to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How can they not pay? This is the same state that started paying bills with IOU's a few years back. They give no fucks. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. |
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