Not nearly as much fun as packing miles back up so you can clear the box...

I saw it rip the axial off an f250

Without pickets I can just mash that flat and walk right over it.

That's exactly what tactical wire is for, channeling traffic into your guns.

I definitely want the razor wire version.

WANT

I'd love to have some c wire, but I don't drink any more so my tangle foot is going to look really stupid with soda cans as noise makers.

And I'm going to be disappointed because I want fougasse too and claymores...

Punji pits it is

you probably want to be wearing some sort of goggles too

... my HOA forced me to remove mine

Abatis or cheval de frise could be economical options..

That was the idea. The problem was we didn't have enough. A couple strands per stryker isn't enough in an open desert. Opfor does what they want.

Those staple gloves suck unless they are brand new.  I'd rather have light gloves and a multitool.

You know a lot about concertina wire.

Can you combine it with claymores? I'd think the claymores would damage the wire.

But those are my two favorites

a nice stash of Bangalore torpedoes would compliment your wire kit nicely.

i have set of these in my toolbox too.

I was also wondering the legality of using it in a domestic setting...??  It dont discriminate...it cuts good guys and bad guys both. I have scars to prove it. I've just always worn a set of used welding gloves to work with it....

This is "C-wire." Not too dangerous to install unless it catches your carotid artery, just wear the special c-wire gloves with the staples in the palms and take your time, if you get caught in it during installation stop moving and call for help, you will not be laughed at, everyone gets stuck while installing it.  This stuff mostly catches and holds.


This is razor wire, it will ruin your day, think of it as a "Death Slinky."


C-wire installation gloves, ugly as sin, not comfortable to wear, but very effective for installing C-wire.  

Would be cool if you could rotate the razor wire like a wound coil spring in a watch/clock.

As soon as it is cut the thing would unfurl and cause a code brown for anybody that doesnt get snared to shit by it before it snags the other near by roll to get tangled.

If that stuff isnt properly staked to the ground, or to other rolls, it seems like something akin to a fork lift would be the easiest way to deal with getting through it.   Lift it up and go under.

Hate it. Bring up the Bangalore’s.

A couple puss pad size rolls of discarded commercial carpeting make breaching simple for single or triple strand.

Berlin Brigade wrote the book on MOUT, we had the largest MOUT Site in Europe, maybe even largest in Western Europe/USA.  3 Infantry Battalions used to train to defend the city from the Russian hordes as well as conduct counter-attacks.   An Infantry Company or Bn would occupy the combat city and surrounding areas while one of the other Battalions conducted a Deliberate Attack, on a rotating basis.

Now I was an Indirect Fire Infantryman, a Mortar Maggot, 11C, we still had 81mm M29 Mortars in M125A2 13ton tracked M113 mortar carrier variants in the Rifle Companies my first tour there.   We had pre-designated Mortar Firing Points we would occupy to the rear (relatively speaking in a city totally surrounded by ComBloc) and off to the flank.   For the preparing the defense phase of these defense/attacks, our task was to set the external perimeter wire then fall back to our Firing Point to provide Fire Support, Smoke Screening and Battlefield Illumination.

The last Defense during my first tour, we used the M125A2 Mortar Carriers to drive all over the hundreds of acres of MOUT Site to pick up every single roll of concertina wire we could find, rolls of tanglefoot, 8ft steel pickets, and for 3 days with little sleep, we pounded hundreds of pickets into the ground, set quadruple rolls of concertina wire, two on the bottom then two to three rows of the 2ft diameter concertina above that, around the perimeter.
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Then outside the Triple Strand, we stretched single layer concertina about 50yds deep facing the axis of attack, strung barbed wire tanglefoot through it all so the enemy couldn't just lay smoke (to defeat the laser MILES system) and just pull it all away with a grapnel hook.

Dawn comes, we hear the sounds of APCs (Each Rifle Company had 1 platoon of M113A2s the other 2 platoons were dismounts), smoke generators start cranking out billowing smoke.   We hear diesel engines racing, tracks clanging against concrete, the ground shaking, then a loud mechanical screeching noise, engines throttling up and down, up and down, then finally quit.

We hear over the Observer-Controller radio net "MY GOD! ITS A SEA OF WIRE!"  That had to be the funniest thing I ever heard transmitted over military radio net.

3 $750,000 13 ton M113A2s sprockets tangled in concertina and barbed wire, totally out of the fight and down for maintenace for 3 days, it was so bad, the Observer-Controllers had to actually cut a breach through the wire for the attacking dismounts to get through just to let the attack happen.

Granted the attackers would have tried to prep the breach with 81mm and 107mm mortar HE, 155mm if tasked, and engineers with pole charges and the Bangalore Torpedoes in real life, all done will being engaged with crew served weapons 90mm HE and Flechette rounds, and mortar fire

If you get some, you need a set of fence pliers(channel locks are the best, need a bit of grinding), a set of hog ring pliers and a small set of bolt cutters...

That's how I understood it. Then I googled it in order to explain it better and some sources were calling it all C-wire, with razor being a variation. Ya know razor wire when ya see it haha

I love this post so much

why not?! You could set up claymores behind triple strand razor wire. It will mess up the wire, but it will have served its purpose. And only part of the wire will be blown. You'll have it sectioned off with pikes/T-posts and could just replace a section.

The old spikey type mounted on a fence isnt worth a damn. If you're halfway agile and have time you can climb over without getting cut. I wouldn't try this trick with razor wire.

For basic crowd services I think it would work well. For other jobs no so much.

Mind fields or concertina, if you are not covering it with fire (direct or indirect), it is a speed bump, not an obstacle.

If you need to detonate a claymore then your wire is toast anyway.

C-wire and claymores go together like peas and carrots.

HOORAY

And if you do it right, that part of the wire will be replaced by the bodies of your enemies, which can be nearly as good of a deterrent

https://gfycat.com/silverharmoniousglowworm

When slinky gets serious.

Ugh.  I have bad memories of that stuff.

12 guys putting it up while sharing 3/4 gloves, not pairs.

Overlapping is best, don't end strands at the same place.

Use pickets/wire/stakes to stop people from pulling it apart or picking it up.

Don't overstretch it, makes it easier to get through.

Is there a recommendation for where to buy some razor wire?

Liability.

There was a link on the first page.  40 rolls for $800. Free shipping.

Anyone in MI want a group buy?

MICHIGAN CONCERTINA WIRE BUDDIES

Concertina wire is cheap, easy to transport, easy to employ, and if used correctly it is very effective.

Concertina wire, like any tactical obstacle, is not very effective as a standalone measure.  It must be integrated into your broader (active) defensive plan.  Obstacles are simply part of your fires plan.  See FM 90-7 (or even 7-8 for the basics).

Obstacles should compliment the terrain around your fixed defensive position and the defensive position itself such that they enable you to engage the enemy on your terms.

Use the obstacle to:
Disrupt
Fix
Turn
Block

That basically boils down to making the enemy's path of least resistance go right through your optimal kill zone, and then hold him there while you engage.

To properly deploy concertina, it  should be immobilized:  staked to the ground, propped up with pickets and barbed wire.  3 strands (wired together in a pyramid) is the minimum recommended for an effective obstacle.

ETA: FM 7-8  See page 8-7

That was me. Two hours in a swampy are laying I'm muddy trying to cut it from the CV joint.

I strung a bunch across a road in Hohenfels to keep opfor armor from hitting our flank overnight. I had it marked with chemlights and gave my PL the grid of the obstacles we had placed. He failed to relay this to the CO. His Stryker plowed right through the triple strand and they didn't realize it for awhile. His driver and vehicle commander spent a long time in the dark and snow cutting cwire off of all four axles.

That's razor wire, sure you didn't drive through a jail?

NATO concertina is a double helix design.  This is a simple slinky.

Gauntlet Gloves Needed.

That shit will slice and dice you in ways you didn't think possible.

Once your stuck in it... your fucked.

It's effective for its intended purpose deployed correctly.

Engineers 12B's,  we perfected the triple standard method.

Sounds more like Kim K's butt than concertina wire.

And yet...

I wouldn't get concertina wire..get razor wire..far more effective...Any fence company should sell it...both kinds...they will also sell hog rings..get the HD ones...A roll of 9 gauge wire also, unless you are going to tie the razor wire to concertina/barb wire....(9 guage is way stronger then either....)...

Somewhere around here I also have a few pair of short bolt cutters as well...the longer pliers are better, the short ones will test your strength on 9 guage wire..

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I remember the walmart razor wire thread, this one is so much more informative.

It seems like it is only a speedbump for well trained military, but if one needed to barricade a street or fortify a neighborhood against intruders in a TEOTWAWKI or Katrina style scenario it might be effective if deployed well