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Posted: 9/10/2020 5:46:06 AM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was very poorly done. It was so poorly done that the director wouldn't even put his real name to it. Look at Alien, Blade Runner, etc. Dune (1984) has a very inconsistent balance of effort in the scenes, and was dated before it ever hit theaters. ETA: As I said in the earlier thread, I think a determined party with access to all the original film and everything that hit the cutting room floor could salvage the 1984 work. I think almost all of the faults with the 1984 version lie with the director. Lynch is IMHO, one of the most overrated retard directors of all time.  David Lynch is Overrated |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 7:49:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dune 1984 is amazing. Never understood the hate. I get having to shorten it, most folk aint gonna buy a ticket to a 18 hour movie but the other stuff they changed, like adding the voice weapon machine thing, just confused me why? whats the point of this |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 8:05:48 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All my life I have been a prolific reader of Science Fiction. For some strange reason I could never finish Dune, although I tried a couple of times. The story just did not capture my interest. Everybody else talks about how great it is but the story was boring to me. I like other Frank Herbert books but not Dune. Oh well. Same here. I found the book mediocre when I read it 30 years ago and it didn’t improve much when I reread it a few years ago. The movie trailer looks good though. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 8:07:56 AM EST
[#4]
Dune was pretty close to the first science fiction I ever read. I was 8-10 probably. My dad gave it to me for Christmas.
This might be the first Dune screen adaptation that I'll actually watch. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 8:34:12 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think almost all of the faults with the 1984 version lie with the director. Lynch is IMHO, one of the most overrated retard directors of all time.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut9P2d9ddlEYes! Thank you. "People say Blue Velvet is where Lynch perfected his style. And I agree because his style is shit." 
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Posted: 9/10/2020 9:43:23 AM EST
[#6]
From a Dune thread long ago:
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is by beer alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the pee of yeast that the lips acquire speed, the mind becomes a blur, the blur becomes a numbing. It is by beer alone I set my mind in motion. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 9:49:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get having to shorten it, most folk aint gonna buy a ticket to a 18 hour movie but the other stuff they changed, like adding the voice weapon machine thing, just confused me why? whats the point of this They couldn't figure out how to do the weirding stuff properly. Mind/space/noise things they could do. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 10:25:02 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get having to shorten it, most folk aint gonna buy a ticket to a 18 hour movie Everyone should watch the directors cut of Until the End of the World at least once in their life. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 3:45:13 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes! Thank you. "People say Blue Velvet is where Lynch perfected his style. And I agree because his style is shit." 
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Posted: 9/10/2020 3:59:43 PM EST
[#10]
ok, started reading it last night.
First chapter is alright. It better be good, that's a mighty thick book! ETA: I'm having trouble not associating the actors from the old movie with the characters in the book. That old movie was... not my favorite. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:09:04 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Crusade!!!  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why does Hollywood insist on sticking to a now very tired and worn out formula for trailers? Deep BOOM sounds to create a sense of dread, with an older pop/rock song, redone in a super slowed down dramatic fashion? I love Dune 1984 (we are watching it now with our 14 year old), so I'm not so sure about this one yet. So much CGI, the worms look fake as crap. Maybe it's just the way the trailer is done. I loved Bladerunner 2049 so I have hope. I loved the 1984 Dune too, but it seems we’re a minority. Guess we gotta get our Jihad on. Crusade!!!  God Wills It from Kingdom of Heaven |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:26:30 PM EST
[#12]
Hm.
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:28:19 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 36 years later, looks like it is finally getting proper presentation on the big screen. One can hope. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:30:10 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No worms? Trailer had worm. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:38:33 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I noticed that, not sure how i feel about it. Not sure if it's an attempt to be PC, or just a result of teh word "jihad" being now tied so closely to real-world terrorism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Crusade" instead of "Jihad?"  I noticed that, not sure how i feel about it. Not sure if it's an attempt to be PC, or just a result of teh word "jihad" being now tied so closely to real-world terrorism. Well it's Hollywood... 
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:43:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks good, but I'm just not convinced you can condense the book into a movie with good results. Its not about it being super high brow literature or anything, there is just a lot going on. This might have been better suited to a netflix series. Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:51:23 PM EST
[#17]
But remember, the books are "narrated" by Princess Irulan; Emperor Sadam's daughter; after the fact. By then, it would have been referred to as the Fremen Jihad.
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Posted: 9/10/2020 5:01:49 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is what both sides would say.  Also, the crusade against the Cathars wasn’t “defensive” - it was about rooting out perceived heresy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both are theologically driven military campaigns against unbelievers. That is what both sides would say. Also, the crusade against the Cathars wasn’t “defensive” - it was about rooting out perceived heresy. Didn't the Byzantines get hit with a Crusade too? Or were they just collateral damaged. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 5:01:59 PM EST
[#19]
Point of Order:
Trailer fucked up by having Chani call Paul "Paul" in his dreams instead of Usul. In fact, I don't think she ever called him Paul, I'm pretty sure she always called him Usul. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 5:13:34 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @sitdwnandhngon I'll probably be skewered for this, but I suggest reading "Dune" and stopping there. I found the next 2 boring as hell. The one after that, God Emperor of Dune, is better but pretty weird. Didn't care at all for anything that came next. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I should read those books. It's one series I've never gotten around to. @sitdwnandhngon I'll probably be skewered for this, but I suggest reading "Dune" and stopping there. I found the next 2 boring as hell. The one after that, God Emperor of Dune, is better but pretty weird. Didn't care at all for anything that came next. No, I think you’re right. I read Dune and enjoyed it. I read Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, and they were a grind that had some good sections. I started God Emperor of Dune, put it down, and didn’t pick it back up. Between the novel being set 3,500 years in the future, the entire cast from the first few novels being discarded except for Duncan, and Leto II being a giant sandworm, I just couldn’t read it. I read the plot summaries for the rest of the novels and thought, “I’m glad I didn’t grind through 1000s of pages for that.” |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 5:15:16 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It looks like it COULD* be a good movie but for me there are two things that hold it back. 1.Hollywood has been $hit for the past what.. 15-20 years? so that play against it, and then not so big of a deal but... 2. The main character, like the new batman is BETA soy as HELL, he has the body of a 14 year old small boy, they are trying to idolize beta boys in our culture now, the Previous Dune's havent had a character this... manlet-like. Its not THAT big of a deal to me just kind of annoying, he does look somewhat like the previous Dune actor in the face a little, but that's it. I hope it will be good, but with TV series blowing away Hollywood movies for the past 20 years or so, they have to overcome a lot.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Atreides The son of Duke Leto Atreides and the Lady Jessica, Paul is the heir of House Atreides, an aristocratic family that rules the planet Caladan. Jessica is a Bene Gesserit and an important key in the Bene Gesserit breeding program. According to the breeding program, she was to produce a daughter, who would be bred with Feyd-Rautha, a nephew of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. However, Jessica falls in love with Leto and grants him the son he desires. Although Paul is a boy, Jessica gives him some training in the Bene Gesserit ways, including enhanced observation and the Sisterhood's specialized martial art. Initially described as "small for his age", Paul has secretly undergone the early Mentat training, and is also schooled in weapon use by Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho. In Dune (1965), Paul is fifteen years old; the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV orders the family to leave Caladan and govern the desert planet Arrakis (known as Dune) Paul's nome de guerre, Muad'dib, means the mouse. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 5:25:35 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paul Atreides is supposed to be a rather slight ~16yo in the books IIRC. The Bene Gesseret plan was for him to be a daughter to wed to Feyd, who is a lot more of an athletic chad-looking dude. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Granted it's been a while since I read it, but I never once viewed him as a 30 something hulking dude either. From what I remember, this actually seems like a pretty good casting choice. Paul Atreides is supposed to be a rather slight ~16yo in the books IIRC. The Bene Gesseret plan was for him to be a daughter to wed to Feyd, who is a lot more of an athletic chad-looking dude. Current year Dune: The femboy Paul is wed to Feyd 
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Posted: 9/10/2020 5:42:13 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't the Byzantines get hit with a Crusade too? Or were they just collateral damaged. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:03:57 PM EST
[#24]
Just finished reading the book for like the 87th time.
Having watched the trailer, God it looks like it might be KICKASS! |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:13:03 PM EST
[#25]
I have to give this general rule
One should always read the book first if possible, then see the movie. If you see the movie first, then read the book, you can only imagine the story through the vision of what you saw in the movie, you cannot imagine how it looks in your own mind first. Your vision will always be the movie director's vision. Reading the book first allows you to create or imagine your own idea of what the story "looks like". |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:25:06 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jodorowsky finally got his Pink Floyd. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:51:55 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But remember, the books are "narrated" by Princess Irulan; Emperor Sadam's daughter; after the fact. By then, it would have been referred to as the Fremen Jihad. Virginia Madsen was smoking hot |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:57:12 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get having to shorten it, most folk aint gonna buy a ticket to a 18 hour movie but the other stuff they changed, like adding the voice weapon machine thing, just confused me why? whats the point of this They changed from the weirding way to the weirding modules because the director (?) said they figured the audience didn’t want to watch a bunch of guys grappling in the desert, but want some sort of shooting weapons. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:57:17 PM EST
[#29]
The 1984 version really was awful. I've also watched it probably 50 times because I love the awkardness and the soundtrack. I just watched it last night.
The SciFi series, including children, was good but didn't have the budget. I'd agree that if you are encouraging someone to read the books that you recommend the first and let them make their own mistakes from there.
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:58:54 PM EST
[#30]
I love Dune, one of my favorite books of all time. The 1984 movie was shit. This looks like it has the potential to be great, if it follows the book closely.
Also, I post this image somewhere every fall, so this is as good of a time as any.  |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 7:03:49 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love Pink Floyd but this calls out for Toto. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jodorowsky finally got his Pink Floyd. The Toto score was awesome. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 12:34:10 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is incorrect. There was an extended version that was shown on cable, to which he would not attach his name. It is superior to his own version in every respect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It was very poorly done. It was so poorly done that the director wouldn't even put his real name to it. Look at Alien, Blade Runner, etc. Dune (1984) has a very inconsistent balance of effort in the scenes, and was dated before it ever hit theaters. ETA: As I said in the earlier thread, I think a determined party with access to all the original film and everything that hit the cutting room floor could salvage the 1984 work. This is incorrect. There was an extended version that was shown on cable, to which he would not attach his name. It is superior to his own version in every respect. Lynch's work suffers from a serious misbalance of effort and vision across the various scenes. Whatever re-edit is done will simply fall flat without an extensive effort to regrade the scenes to the likes of the few scenes that were done well, to bring about a consistent vision. Everybody seems to focus on context, the need to understand the terminology, et cetera, but that's not the issue because we can watch a well done foreign language film without subtitles and have a greater sense of engagement than watching Dune (1984). |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 1:41:37 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ok, started reading it last night. First chapter is alright. It better be good, that's a mighty thick book! ETA: I'm having trouble not associating the actors from the old movie with the characters in the book. That old movie was... not my favorite. I like the book and i find the first chapter or so to be a struggle. stick with it. eta: that's unfortunate lol. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 3:36:33 PM EST
[#34]
Guess I am in the minority, but I enjoyed the original movie, but the series and children of dune I enjoyed more. I am really looking forward to this one.
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Posted: 9/11/2020 3:38:09 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One can take Lynch's work and extend it all he likes, but it's still going to be a poorly done film. Lynch's work suffers from a serious misbalance of effort and vision across the various scenes. Whatever re-edit is done will simply fall flat without an extensive effort to regrade the scenes to the likes of the few scenes that were done well, to bring about a consistent vision. Everybody seems to focus on context, the need to understand the terminology, et cetera, but that's not the issue because we can watch a well done foreign language film without subtitles and have a greater sense of engagement than watching Dune (1984). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It was very poorly done. It was so poorly done that the director wouldn't even put his real name to it. Look at Alien, Blade Runner, etc. Dune (1984) has a very inconsistent balance of effort in the scenes, and was dated before it ever hit theaters. ETA: As I said in the earlier thread, I think a determined party with access to all the original film and everything that hit the cutting room floor could salvage the 1984 work. This is incorrect. There was an extended version that was shown on cable, to which he would not attach his name. It is superior to his own version in every respect. Lynch's work suffers from a serious misbalance of effort and vision across the various scenes. Whatever re-edit is done will simply fall flat without an extensive effort to regrade the scenes to the likes of the few scenes that were done well, to bring about a consistent vision. Everybody seems to focus on context, the need to understand the terminology, et cetera, but that's not the issue because we can watch a well done foreign language film without subtitles and have a greater sense of engagement than watching Dune (1984). Speak for yourself. I've read the books and think the 1984 Dune is an excellent movie. My 18 and 14 year olds like it too. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 4:19:22 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Virginia Madsen was smoking hot God yes. "The Hot Spot" with her and a young Jennifer Connelly is a soft core porn bonanza of wonderful boobies. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 4:36:54 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Excited about this. Need to re-read, it's been 15-20 years probably. I want to be, but hollywood has been a continual source of disappointment. The determining feature will be the screenplay. If it’s another visual masterpiece with a shitty script and horrible characters like the blade runner sequel, it’s going to be awful (but ARFCOM will call it the best ever). |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 7:26:27 PM EST
[#38]
I am ready to go back to the movies! It has been a while. I have read all the books. I like the 1984 movie. I am a sci-fi nerd!
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Posted: 9/11/2020 7:28:48 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm excited about it. Big fan of Frank's Dune books. There is some woke ass casting and woke ass comments from some of the actors, Rebecca Ferguson made some woke ass comments about woman power and how she didn't like women being subservient in the dune universe or some shit. Did she even read the damn book, Jessica was powerful and the Duke knew she was a great partner and asset to his house. The Bene Gesserit were all women and had been controlling mankind for thousands of years. Edit. Not to mention Alia of the Knife and her story, some of them didn't read shit. Eta 2. Jessica beat up Fremen men with her weirding way techniques, and the Fremen were the fiercest warriors in the galaxy. In their first encounter with the Fremen after escaping the Harkonnen. Didn't. Read. Shit. ETA 3. Total Dune Nerd. Jessica's training of paul in Bene Gesserit and weirding way techniques is just as if not MORE important to what Paul becomes as Halleck, Hawats and idaho's training. DIDN'T READ SHIT That and the Honored Matres that return later |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 7:53:34 PM EST
[#40]
I wonder if the Navigators will look like flying butt-hole larvae again
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Posted: 9/11/2020 8:17:25 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does Hollywood insist on sticking to a now very tired and worn out formula for trailers? Deep BOOM sounds to create a sense of dread, with an older pop/rock song, redone in a super slowed down dramatic fashion? I love Dune 1984 (we are watching it now with our 14 year old), so I'm not so sure about this one yet. So much CGI, the worms look fake as crap. Maybe it's just the way the trailer is done. I loved Bladerunner 2049 so I have hope. The worms look like that because otherwise they’d look like graboids, I’d guess. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 8:44:45 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if the Navigators will look like flying butt-hole larvae again In the book DUNE you don't get to "See" a Navigator. In the book the scene with the Navigator and the Emperor never happened. Later in the book you do get to "See" Guildsmen tho. It is not until DUNE MESSIAH that a Navigator makes an appearance as an Ambassador to the new Emperor. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 9:41:24 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the book DUNE you don't get to "See" a Navigator. In the book the scene with the Navigator and the Emperor never happened. Later in the book you do get to "See" Guildsmen tho. It is not until DUNE MESSIAH that a Navigator makes an appearance as an Ambassador to the new Emperor. I thought the two Spacing Guild reps who accompanied the Emperor in his "field" throne room were navigators? In the book, one looses his contact and his eye is so dark blue as to be black. i.e., they're human shaped. Just with the telltale blue eyes taken to the extreme. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 10:07:22 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of Herberts work was kind of a spiritually related to the concepts in Dune. God is Man, Computers are God, God is created by Man, reality is created by thought. See the Jesus Effect and sequels, specifically see the Godmakers. Dune is a really, really, really boring book. It's tedious to get thru. The series is actually some of his worst writing. Of course there all better than the crap is son put out.... Read the first book, read the summaries of the other books. Don't read anything that was put out after he died. It all comes down at the end to be akin to Foundation actually (it's kind of a rip-off) with the AI's and the humans. The 1984 movie is to the books like Starship Trooper is to the book, it kind of uses the ideas and names, but it has an agenda. I watch Dune the same way I watch ST, for the fun of it. I wonder if they'll had out a glossary of definitions before the movie like they did in 1984? (What's a Cuisinart Hatrack?) https://i.imgur.com/lHWAqsQ.jpg There is a Foundation series coming next year too.  Foundation — Official Teaser | Apple TV+ |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 10:11:53 PM EST
[#45]
Emperor Dali.
 Salvador Dali Interview with Mike Wallace (1958) Sigh. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 10:15:27 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes! Thank you. "People say Blue Velvet is where Lynch perfected his style. And I agree because his style is shit." https://i.imgflip.com/4ej3ck.jpg |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 11:24:24 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll watch it, because it's Dune. But I'll call it now -- if it bombs, it's the casting director's fault. |
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Posted: 9/12/2020 7:25:14 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the two Spacing Guild reps who accompanied the Emperor in his "field" throne room were navigators? In the book, one looses his contact and his eye is so dark blue as to be black. i.e., they're human shaped. Just with the telltale blue eyes taken to the extreme. They are referred to as "Guildsman" or "Guild Agents" in Shadam"s Throne room.(Just went and checked) I stand corrected: Shadam comes to Paul with the two Guildsman.When Paul tells the Guildsman to clear the skies, "Guild Navigators, both of you, eh?" "Yes." In the beginning, as they are about to board the Heighliner Paul says that he will try to see a "Navigator" A Navigator is always referred to as a "Navigator" when spoken about by a person in the book. |
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Posted: 9/12/2020 7:33:47 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mulholland Drive is one of the best movies ever made. It's hot fucking garbage. It's literally a re-cut failed TV pilot. |
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Posted: 9/12/2020 7:42:28 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I should read those books. It's one series I've never gotten around to. I read Dune 35 years ago. I really need to reread it, and read more of the series. Amazing book. Really one of the top 5 I've ever read. The 1984 movie, directed by David Lynch, was a disaster suckfest (and I really like many of Lynch's movies.) This one looks much better. |
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