Sounds like you know fuck all about the PPP and/or maintaining a small business payroll.

It's almost like we need an economy based off real useful manufacturing jobs rather than the service/hospitality industry.

Good idea, but....I am currently in South Beach, and ALL the hotels have been ordered shut.

One of the boutique meat distributors in my neck of the woods started doing direct sales to the community instead of stores and restaurants where they normally sold their wares.  I got a good deal on wagyu beef and they still move product.  Win win.  It's been interesting to see how everyone has attempted to adapt.  It's what we do.

Gun-grabber logic on display^^^^^^

Or maybe we are both correct that some people will stay hone and some people will go out, and we merely disagree over the ratio of who does which.

Some did on their own.  But DeSantis shut down South FL on his own, then made it statewide.

Some banks sat on PPP applications or steered the $$ towards existing customers with a loan history with that bank. We have several threads in which that is mentioned.

PPP wasn’t automatically granted to every business that applied for it, nor was the money infinite.

But that's the thing though, it doesn't have to be either or. Grandma isn't going to die just because all of sudden stores other than Home Depot are open.

Right now I can't (or shouldn't) visit my parents. You know what would change should Best Buy be allowed to open tomorrow? I still won't be visiting my parents until things have settled down but at least I'll be able to buy a TV. They aren't all of sudden going to croak over with Covid now that other people can get haircuts or go golfing. They'll be taking precautions no matter what, and honestly that's how it should be.

Maybe we start practicing more caution around elderly. Maybe we learn better hygiene. Maybe we look at how we deal with being sick differently and actively avoid going to work or school or near other people. Maybe those places would make it less punishing to just stay home and not infect everyone. There are plenty of steps we could have, and perhaps should have done a long time ago that would have helped not only our situation with Covid but all the other infections we deal with on a daily basis. And you know what? Maybe my grandparents could have had a few extra years added on instead of dying from pneumonia a few days apart from each other. But since they didn't die of Covid who really gives a shit about them and all the others who have died? Anything to keep us supposedly safe from the current boogeyman I suppose.

And I have been buying those 1 pound blocks from the 1431 Cafe along with flats of eggs, bread and bacon that they are wrapping up in pound lots. Good stuff, fair prices and available.

They didnt.
Their north east catering overlords did.
I'm friends with tons of folks that work in various trades, in various carrers.

I know chicks in their 20s that are drop dead gorgeous. They make more in a Friday night slinging drinks wearing a low cut top than a fucking paralegal makes in a week in NY.
They couldn't pull that kind of money in NY as a bartender...

Not where a beer in a dive bar is 8 bucks and a shot of cheap shit is 10.

Florida has a seasonal economy. Colorado right? You must know of some ski resorts. Their season to make money starts as soon as the snowmakers fire up and it sticks to the mountain. They might have shit to do in the spring and summer like hang gliding or zip lines/adventure trails etc... but that's peanuts compared to what they make in the fall-winter temperature supporting...

Where I grew up it wasn't out of the normal for a few weeks in december-January to be 30 40 50 below 0.
But when we had 2 mild winters back to back? The coldest it ever got was in the low 40s?

That crippled the local ski resort.
They laid tons of folks off.

Well. Florida is a much bigger version of where I used to live, just no snow and Hot as fuck. But the economy is identical.
There were a few production plants, mills, farms out the ass, dairy and beef, a factory, things that provided sustainable full time employment.
For the most part, seasonal type gigs.
There were 2 campgrounds, 3 marinas that had boat mechanics bar/retaraunt, the ski resort, various small businesses that made their money during a certain season say spring-fall, or fall through spring.
But the locals were retards and thought by appeasing cityiots from yangkahz-lawng island would result in more money...

That didn't happen.

Those smarmy insatiable fucks ruined it. Much like how Florida is being diluted with North east shit heels that want to dictate life to Floridians, because "back home"...
I could go into a thoroughly detailed TL/DR citing how they did it, and how to stop it from happening...

Two things those fuckers hate more than anything is not being waited on, people with sustainable full time employment, any I mean ANY form of production/manufacturing. Unless it's for their weekend/summer (in floridas case, winter) home.
They love high taxes. They love socialized services. They love talking about how great things are in the boroughs and how terrible and awful rural upstate NY is. They love banning anything fun too. If they can't get it banned by way of zoning everything residential (damn near felony level misdemeanor for discharging a firearm within so many feet of a residential area, feet become yards, yards become acres) they'll do it through ordinances (noise first, that way you damn kids with dirt bikes and four wheelers can't go out having fun on trails on your property ending boating/jetskis) followed by fuckery the likes of which makes an HOA seem like paradise...
And after they fucked it up? Sell, pack up and move to the next place to fuck up. They're worse than beer aids. They shut shit down permanently.
Including town police departments.

But more than 3-5 sentences? It'll be ignored.

The majority of politicians are trying to figure out how to keep their jobs.
They are trying to figure out how to not be blamed for causing unnecessary death. Especially by their political opposition.  Prime directive #1.


They must be be wrought with stress afraid to open back up without clear direction.  
Plus the boner they get being tryants.

Eh. They should have sunk the cruise ships. Stupidest vacations usually full of the blue hairs we hope die anyways

Lot of your posts are simply wrong.  The FDA has certain regulations on how packages have to be labeled in order to sell to grocery stores.  Restaurants suppliers do not have produce/products that’s labeled correct for retail.  So by federal law they can not sell in a retail market.

But the FDA a few days ago have made a few changes so those restaurants suppliers can now sell something to grocery stores or act like grocery stores themselves.   But this comes after many weeks we’re these business couldn’t sell there products.

#2weeksto#flattenthecurve

That’s all we need. Then we’ll get back to normal. Don’t be an ecodoomer.

Exactly.

While they’re whining and making excuses about this being impossible, there’s a former restaurant and fishing fleet owner doing exactly this, and doing it well.

But muh free markets!!! Free market at work!!!

This is the free market system GD is always screeching they want, why all the crying?

@pcsutton @SuperSixOne

Yes. The outrage is about going to the park and going to get a haircut. Not about losing businesses or rights or life savings or watching the government grow exponentially. It’s about haircuts and swing sets and making sure your near death grandma eats well.

The cruse ship industry has been screwing the us for years.zero fucks given on how they survive.

As for your neighbor I’m guessing some ingenuity would go a long way In moving her inventory. Sitting on their ass waiting for the government to send them cash sounds like she is a second or third generation owner

Switch guns with virus. Yep.

Lemming society.

See what happens when the intent was to make life easier for the children?
The children never grow the fuck up and need pampers and training wheels along with an adult in the room to cunt and cry to, to solve every woe in life for them...

Risk becomes ultra taboo...
When you seek to remove all forms of adversity... Wait for adverse times, like these, to strike... then sit back and laugh, shit post, at their hyperbolic reactions and justification of
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Levels of derp "logic".

Because they can't shut the talking picture box off, can't go 5 minutes without finger fucking a phone.

Once. Just once. I'd love to see the Internet and TV go out for a week.
Make fuckers do out door things again!
When it comes back... the amount of LOL filled threads of what GD has witnessed! Peak lols!

And with no news shilling fear and pandemonium?

How dare you! She’s a hardworking business owner! A business owner!!!

Daddy .gov caused this issue and Daddy .gov needs to fix it now!!!

/sarcasm

Sorry to be so salty, it just pisses me off to see all the anarcho-capitalists that have bitched and moaned about any sort of government intervention for years while screaming “muh free markets!!!” suddenly crying for government intervention and social safety nets.

Perhaps I'm looking at the wrong thing? Safer at home orders:

Broward 26th of March.
Miami Dade 26th of March
Palm Beach 26th of March

FL statewide order was issued on the 30th. Effective in April 1.

Beaches were shut down on the 20th in South Florida by the state. But the full orders went in via counties before the statewide order was issued.

Stay down there please, KTHX.

And I think DeSantis has been doing OK.

We’re losing about 4 million jobs per week, on avg.

We ain’t seen nuffin yet.

Here's the thing - right or wrong (and i believe a majority of the response WAS wrong... blanket policy was not right for this), the course was already decided for us in January. The world saw the lockdowns in China, then Iran, then Italy.. the measures the Koreans and Australians were taking. The US did NOT do something no one else was - everyone panicked, and we all attacked the problem the same way (well, aside from the Swedes). Other countries are handling the financial and social impacts differently (i actually expected the Fed to implement some sort of national mortgage suspension like other countries did); but everyone is in the shitter right now.  This is a worldwide problem, and we would have felt the effects even if we closed our boarders before it ever got here.

The way it SHOULD be.

No it isnt...
We have NOTHING that resembles a free market.
Want proof?

This state primarily consists of "non essential" workers. There's one.
When daddy .gov has say in what industry and who working in it is essential? It's no such thing as a free market.

If we had a free market?
PSA would be cranking out complete full auto lowers for 129.99 on daily deals and no 4473 to fill out, shipped to your door step.
There's 2.

Florida Mann

Yeah but if it was controlled at the state level people would be saying the same shit about other states.  Really only South Florida, Orlando, and Tallahassee would be affected because the rest of the state has pretty low numbers.

Reckon he will have it open by July?

How long until incredible deals on NODS?

Rest assured she will.

The economy in Florida and throughout the Nation is fucked and will be for some time.

That's my point.

You may want things to miraculously return to normal, but the general public, as demonstrated, is more hesitant.

That hesitation is the make or break for small businesses, the entire tourist industry, large sports venues, food service, etc., etc.

The people with money, real money, are going to sit back for awhile and let things settle before they commit.

I was slightly off in the scope, but DeSantis moved first.

DeSantis closed a number of businesses in Broward and Palm Beach counties on March 20 by EO.https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-70.pdf

Tallahassee Uber Alles

Well, you all didn't in 08/09, so there's that

I LOLed

So they can pay the rent, pay the mortgage, their utility bills.

Wife and I are ready to inject some $$ in the SWFL economy when things open up, we will head down, spend at restaurants and bait shops soon as they open.  Hoping for mid May, guess we will see.

I'll be ready to contribute to their economy come July...……….ready to go to the beach

and alot of businesses that go quick were hanging on to begin with. This will eliminate alot of middle men. not sure thats a bad thing overall.