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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:03:22 AM EST
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I think this thread has proven every stereotype of personality in GD
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:20:14 AM EST
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I have one on an AR I don't use much, and just tried to turn it on after not touching it for 6 months and it was dead. I put energizer ultimate lithium batteries in the sight less than a year ago, and those things are supposed to be able to sit for like 10 to 15 years without discharging, so I'm pretty pissed. Probably going to return it.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:32:00 AM EST
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Is there a place to check MSRP's. I have a 551.a65/1 NV model from 2006 and don't know how much to ask for it since I don't have a receipt.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:42:52 AM EST
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Look at the post mark. L3 has headquarters in NYC, EOTech's are in Ann Arbor, MI. Return processing is all going through Ann Arbor. I'm going with "a joke" as another poster said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Look at the post mark. L3 has headquarters in NYC, EOTech's are in Ann Arbor, MI. Return processing is all going through Ann Arbor. I'm going with "a joke" as another poster said. Do you know that envelope is from L3? I can't see where that envelope is from, only its post mark. Although, I'm hoping it is fake, I'm just waiting for someone to post an actual refund check. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:55:09 AM EST
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I have a 512 and XPS2, I wonder if I should get refunds for them :/
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:55:12 AM EST
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Do you know that envelope is from L3? I can't see where that envelope is from, only its post mark. Although, I'm hoping it is fake, I'm just waiting for someone to post an actual refund check. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Look at the post mark. L3 has headquarters in NYC, EOTech's are in Ann Arbor, MI. Return processing is all going through Ann Arbor. I'm going with "a joke" as another poster said. Do you know that envelope is from L3? I can't see where that envelope is from, only its post mark. Although, I'm hoping it is fake, I'm just waiting for someone to post an actual refund check. I have no idea. I'm not spending time digging and un-pixelating. It just appears to be fake. If I were going to post something like that, I would have posted the return address showing is was from EOTech or L3. I'm going with the return request approval email stating they will refund purchase price plus 15.00 shipping. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:56:20 AM EST
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I have a 512 and XPS2, I wonder if I should get refunds for them :/ My 512 and XPS3 purchased in 2009 and 2010 were approved. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:57:02 AM EST
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What if I bought mine used in the EE? Can I return it as well?
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Posted: 12/13/2015 10:03:39 AM EST
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What if I bought mine used in the EE? Can I return it as well? They don't seem to be asking for proof of purchase so I would say yes. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 10:36:35 AM EST
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nvm
what all is everyone saying? does something like "concern for reliability" work or do we have to note a problem. and at this point, no one has received a refund yet - is that right? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 10:42:09 AM EST
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Filled out the form. Now just a waiting game. It hasn't worked in 3 years (552 model, batt contacts are shot) so I won't miss it.
Was going to send it in, but I missed the free fix window and wasn't about to pay the $60 plus shipping for the fix. We'll see. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 10:48:02 AM EST
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nvm what all is everyone saying? does something like "concern for reliability" work or do we have to note a problem. and at this point, no one has received a refund yet - is that right? Just say "Requesting refund for $_____". They know there's an issue so no explanation is needed, and frankly they probably don't want to read it. I put exactly what I have quoted there and it was approved. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:23:34 AM EST
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I thought about asking if they would exchange for their thermal. I want to support Americans.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:33:20 AM EST
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Someone needs to demand L3 to give them a large discount on a white phosphor NOD as the only way to make this deal acceptable
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:39:26 AM EST
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I'm looking everywhere for my fucks to give. Still haven't found any... Yea, fuck those guys. They shouldn't be out running around Afghanistan anyway... 
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:47:20 AM EST
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FACT: If your optic dims out for a second, you are virtually guaranteed to drop dead on the spot. I've seen a few broken ACOGs when I was in. It doesn't change my opinion on trijicon. A few broken Trijicons isn't the same as a company knowingly defrauding its civilian and government customers with false claims about performance and discussing plans on how to best hide the lack of testing and the known defects in order to protect their sales figures. That's shifty fucking practice no matter the company or the product. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:47:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryI ended up requesting refunds for both my sights. I'd rather not trust my life and the sight fail, |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:51:44 AM EST
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I am not an owner, (I am more of an Trijicon person) but wanted to put things in perspective --- you get to play with an optic for years and then they refund your payment. That is actually an awesome deal you are getting. They are dealing with a catastrophe as best as they can, managing this disaster.
I cannot see Trijicon or Aimpoint refunding you after you use their devices, no way. Now this may be a forced move after years of denial, they finally got caught with their pants down, by the government. I wonder if this is the end of them and ruins their credibility. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:54:30 AM EST
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Wow. We have some avid EOTech supporters on this site. Good folks too. Wondering how this negligence will sway them. This is even worse than negligence...it's intentional defrauding. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:57:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at the post mark. L3 has headquarters in NYC, EOTech's are in Ann Arbor, MI. Return processing is all going through Ann Arbor. I'm going with "a joke" as another poster said. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Look at the post mark. L3 has headquarters in NYC, EOTech's are in Ann Arbor, MI. Return processing is all going through Ann Arbor. I'm going with "a joke" as another poster said. And it was mailed from Dallas, TX |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 12:00:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ended up requesting refunds for both my sights. I'd rather not trust my life and the sight fail, Quote HistoryQuoted: The apocalypse doomsday collapse isn't coming, bro  |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 12:09:07 PM EST
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I can't even remember what I paid for mine.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 12:32:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it was mailed from Dallas, TX Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Look at the post mark. L3 has headquarters in NYC, EOTech's are in Ann Arbor, MI. Return processing is all going through Ann Arbor. I'm going with "a joke" as another poster said. And it was mailed from Dallas, TX |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:28:12 PM EST
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Is there a place to check MSRP's. I have a 551.a65/1 NV model from 2006 and don't know how much to ask for it since I don't have a receipt. Since the 551's were discontinued, they're no longer listed on EOTech's site. So I used the $469, which was the price I found on a cached page from Opticsplanet.com. I don't have the link any longer, though. My RMA was approved for the $469 plus sales tax. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:32:51 PM EST
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Is there a place to check MSRP's. I have a 551.a65/1 NV model from 2006 and don't know how much to ask for it since I don't have a receipt. Go to eotechs site and find their distributor links. Go to the distributor and see normal price they are selling. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:36:42 PM EST
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I am not an owner, (I am more of an Trijicon person) but wanted to put things in perspective --- you get to play with an optic for years and then they refund your payment. That is actually an awesome deal you are getting. They are dealing with a catastrophe as best as they can, managing this disaster. I cannot see Trijicon or Aimpoint refunding you after you use their devices, no way. Now this may be a forced move after years of denial, they finally got caught with their pants down, by the government. I wonder if this is the end of them and ruins their credibility. Trijicon and Aimpoint didn't admit to lying to the US govt, THEIR CUSTOMERS, nor did they commit fraud in an attempt to cover it up after their top officials learned of it. I could see them doing the same thing and refunding everyone and their mother if they did. But they didn't did they? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:38:13 PM EST
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Since the 551's were discontinued, they're no longer listed on EOTech's site. So I used the $469, which was the price I found on a cached page from Opticsplanet.com. I don't have the link any longer, though. My RMA was approved for the $469 plus sales tax. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a place to check MSRP's. I have a 551.a65/1 NV model from 2006 and don't know how much to ask for it since I don't have a receipt. Since the 551's were discontinued, they're no longer listed on EOTech's site. So I used the $469, which was the price I found on a cached page from Opticsplanet.com. I don't have the link any longer, though. My RMA was approved for the $469 plus sales tax. Optics Planet is one of their licensed distributors. That price is correct for the refund. I honestly think you can put anything that "sounds right" there and they would honor it and cut a check. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:49:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not an owner, (I am more of an Trijicon person) but wanted to put things in perspective --- you get to play with an optic for years and then they refund your payment. That is actually an awesome deal you are getting. They are dealing with a catastrophe as best as they can, managing this disaster. I cannot see Trijicon or Aimpoint refunding you after you use their devices, no way. Now this may be a forced move after years of denial, they finally got caught with their pants down, by the government. I wonder if this is the end of them and ruins their credibility. I sent an xps2 and exps3 back in for refund earlier this past week. One has the dimming reticle problem and the other I've not noticed a problem. I really do like the concept of their product much more than Aimpoint. The FOV, the reticle and the fact that its a HWS were all enough to trump the Aimpoint battery life advantage for me personally. This is not a knock on Aimpoint as I like their optics very much...I just liked Eotechs a bit more. Plus they looked badass on my carbine and my sbr. After their admission, I can't say I trusted my Eotechs any less but their current lineup are now the less attractive option to me. It's like buying a Ferrari only to find out Ferrari outsourced the design and mfg to Fiat. Suddenly that purebred machine you though you owned is now a cheaper version of the real thing. That said, if L3 comes in and fixes Eotech's problems, introduce an improved new product (one that is fully and legitimately tested) with maybe some enhancements even...I would not hesitate to buy from them again. People are predicting doom for the EOTECH name. Isnt EOTECH still on track to bring their 5x magnifier to market next year? Wont they want a new HWS to pair with it? Has anyone actually said they're going to lose their government contract? Not everyone is going to turn in the optics for refund. In fact it might still be a small number of people who even care enough to do so. How many EOs were purchased to mount on an M&P-15 sitting in a safe or closet corner? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:50:18 PM EST
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I have one on an AR I don't use much, and just tried to turn it on after not touching it for 6 months and it was dead. I put energizer ultimate lithium batteries in the sight less than a year ago, and those things are supposed to be able to sit for like 10 to 15 years without discharging, so I'm pretty pissed. Probably going to return it. this is exactly why I am refunding my 511. The damn thing chews through batteries while turned off. I contacted L3 support regarding this a couple of years ago and was told to pound sand. They basically said this is simply how eotechs work and there is always a draw on the batteries even when turned off and that the sight should be stored without batteries installed. Ok, well I can maybe understand this for long term storage, but I don't consider 4-5 months long term. I mean my cheap primary arms red dot has been stored with batteries in it for years without issue! I would have offloaded the sight long ago, but I couldn't sell the thing in good conscious to somebody else. So yeah, to hell with L3, give my refund bitches. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 2:15:06 PM EST
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. 
That is a proper fucking. Heads are going to explode. 
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Posted: 12/13/2015 2:17:17 PM EST
[#31]
So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money?
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Posted: 12/13/2015 2:19:05 PM EST
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So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? Yup. They seem like a trustworthy company. I doubt the would lie about anything.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 2:21:51 PM EST
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So what does this mean exactly for their contract with the gov for supplying them exactly? Will they sell the gov a new/improved model or is Eotech officially dead in the gov's eyes? Id imagine so, but the gov has done stupid shit before....
 
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Posted: 12/13/2015 2:50:27 PM EST
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So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? Yes and no. You could say that to the people who send in their sights for repair as well (with any manufacture). We contacted Eotech through their website. We received an email from the company with instructions on how to proceed. The same faith is in play as one who sends a product in for repairs. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 5:48:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:15:42 PM EST
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So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? Yes, considering it has been sitting on the junk shelf since 2005, wtf do I have to lose? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:20:25 PM EST
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How quick are you guys getting return confirmation from them?
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:28:34 PM EST
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Heck, I got an RMA for a 551 manufactured in 2003. The 551, unlike the 511, is discontinued. If they'll approve a refund on a 12 year old, discontinued sight, I can't imagine they'd deny one on a model they still produce. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has anyone tried sending back a 511 yet? I did. 511 N cell, Nov 2008 purchase date. RMA request sent the night before last and approved yesterday morning. Heck, I got an RMA for a 551 manufactured in 2003. The 551, unlike the 511, is discontinued. If they'll approve a refund on a 12 year old, discontinued sight, I can't imagine they'd deny one on a model they still produce. Good to hear! I just send in the RMA request for a 551 and 511 both manufactured in 2004 |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:37:38 PM EST
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I can't even remember what I paid for mine. Me either, mine is dated made in May of 2000 and uses N type battery, what model is it? the site is not marked Seems to be a model 521.L80 from pics on the net. I have no clue what I spent on it when I bought it. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:42:31 PM EST
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How quick are you guys getting return confirmation from them? Mine took 2 days. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:47:09 PM EST
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Me either, mine is dated made in May of 2000 and uses N type battery, what model is it? the site is not marked Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't even remember what I paid for mine. Me either, mine is dated made in May of 2000 and uses N type battery, what model is it? the site is not marked Maybe 511? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:49:25 PM EST
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There are L3 communications in Rockwall Texas and Greenville Texas which is right near Dallas, just saying... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first. Look at the post mark. L3 has headquarters in NYC, EOTech's are in Ann Arbor, MI. Return processing is all going through Ann Arbor. I'm going with "a joke" as another poster said. And it was mailed from Dallas, TX
L3 has an office in Carrolton which is next door to Farmers Branch, zip code 75234 |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:53:07 PM EST
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I have a 552 that stopped working a couple of months ago. It wont power up at all. I was going to send it back to be serviced.
Should I just send it back? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:55:47 PM EST
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Mine is so old the scale on the form does not go all the way back to 2000, stops at 2005
My serial is 4 digits
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:55:52 PM EST
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I am not an owner, (I am more of an Trijicon person) but wanted to put things in perspective --- you get to play with an optic for years and then they refund your payment. That is actually an awesome deal you are getting. They are dealing with a catastrophe as best as they can, managing this disaster. I cannot see Trijicon or Aimpoint refunding you after you use their devices, no way. Now this may be a forced move after years of denial, they finally got caught with their pants down, by the government. I wonder if this is the end of them and ruins their credibility. Agreed. I have used my 2 eotechs for 10 years now.. flawless use, and honestly I strongly considered sticking with them because nobody else has as good a reticle, but on the other hand here is the chance to get off N cells, wait for them to Fix the problem and then get the new thing, or alternately keep the old thing and have it be literally worthless, and always wonder if it will fail me horribly. The biggest motivator behind me actually requesting the return is that I am a fair weather range guy, so I have NEVER tried using the optic anytime except on a nice warm sunny day.. if SHTF I wont get to be so picky. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 6:57:54 PM EST
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How is the refund distributed? Check?
and has anyone actually RECEIVED their refund yet? |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 8:12:25 PM EST
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Yes, via USPS so the mail fraud department will get involved. Approving a refund and then not refunding = theft = mail fraud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? Good luck with that. I almost sent mine through USPS for that reason only (my Dad has been a mailman for 40 years) but went with UPS because I realized the mail fraud claim for my sight, with USPS, would go nowhere......look into it. Mail fraud happens all the time. The USPS will not return your money if you get ripped off. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 10:52:27 PM EST
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Good luck with that. I almost sent mine through USPS for that reason only (my Dad has been a mailman for 40 years) but went with UPS because I realized the mail fraud claim for my sight, with USPS, would go nowhere......look into it. Mail fraud happens all the time. The USPS will not return your money if you get ripped off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? Good luck with that. I almost sent mine through USPS for that reason only (my Dad has been a mailman for 40 years) but went with UPS because I realized the mail fraud claim for my sight, with USPS, would go nowhere......look into it. Mail fraud happens all the time. The USPS will not return your money if you get ripped off. Some of it gets investigated. The FBI and Kern County Sherriff showed up because my roommate mailed two packages to the wrong addresses. He sold the stuff on eBay. He fixed the issue but the guy that filed the claims never pulled it after everything was fixed. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:11:17 PM EST
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That is a proper fucking. Heads are going to explode. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hozc3QP-kLw/maxresdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/BUqx5M0.jpg Heres a picture of a refund check that was posted on AR15GOA facebook page. After seeing this i am glad I haven't sent my eotech back, gonna wait for others to recieve refunds to confirm first.
That is a proper fucking. Heads are going to explode. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hozc3QP-kLw/maxresdefault.jpg Faaaake. Ready the first few pages guys. Fuck. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:25:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck with that. I almost sent mine through USPS for that reason only (my Dad has been a mailman for 40 years) but went with UPS because I realized the mail fraud claim for my sight, with USPS, would go nowhere......look into it. Mail fraud happens all the time. The USPS will not return your money if you get ripped off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? Good luck with that. I almost sent mine through USPS for that reason only (my Dad has been a mailman for 40 years) but went with UPS because I realized the mail fraud claim for my sight, with USPS, would go nowhere......look into it. Mail fraud happens all the time. The USPS will not return your money if you get ripped off. Dealing with USPS's claims department for a fuckup on their part is a motherfucking NIGHTMARE. Been dealing with these worthless flunkies for going on three months now over a gun barrel they destroyed. I can't even imagine having to drag them into something like this... That being said, I highly doubt EOTech fails to make good on their part. Can you imagine the class-action shitstorm that would ensue? Let's not forget this involves virtually every .gov LEO agency and the military, as well as state and local LEO departments, and all sorts of outfits across the globe. |
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