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I feel so much safer already.
The just stupid oppressive federal government is going to get kicked in the nuts one day and learn its lesson. Just because they don't like something doesn't give them the power to do jack or shit about it. The federal government is restricted in plain black-n-white language from regulating any drugs, hell any behavior of the citizens, not spelled out in the plain and clear language of the Constitution. F'ing silly me still thinks that words mean what they meant to say and not what 87 courts have twisted them across a couple of hundred years to mean. Shit as short as 90-years ago the federal government knew what it had to do to ban a drug so what happened? Did the Constitution change because my copy shows no changes ... or did the way the courts read the same words that had been there for 150-years prior change? |
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Quoted: Has nothing to do with money. If it was, why would there be panels looking into overprescription of opioids? The positive feelings and joy we experience doing activities we like is regulated by the opioid receptors. The delta opioid receptors regulate feelings, and mu opioid regulates rewards (source) Start messing with these, and your whole life goes downhill. Glad its getting banned, f that shit. View Quote If you hate people like me and our herb... then you come kick my door in and take my Kratom, yourself. Why send cops... you're a grown man, make it happen on your own. That's some passive aggressive liberal shit right there. Backstabbing legislation is how they get rid of gun owners. You're gonna support a ban, turn your fellow citizen in to a criminal and sic the full weight of Government on them for having a preference YOU don't like. If it's that fucking urgent, why not be a hero yourself? Come and take my freedom- I dare ya. |
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If there is one thing I've learned its that this place loves themselves some big government View Quote Please keep that straight. When I was young I was a republican. At age 9 or 10 I remember listening to Richard Nixon in his debate and liked the lies he was telling. I was a Republican up to the age of about 27 when after reading Rush Limbaugh's first book I realized I was a conservative. I was a conservative for a long time until about 5-10 years ago when I started down the path of Libertarian, their stance on drugs had kept me from becoming one and then I flipped on that issue too. |
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Quoted:PS- Don't eat ketchup or eggplant, they put the nicotines there. And for the love of Drug-Hatin' Mohammed, stay away from decaffeinated tea...it's still got traces of the caffeines! View Quote I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. |
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Quoted: Simple, it's the current boogeyman in a long, long list. In general terms, people can't or won't accept responsibility for their own actions or the actions of their loved ones* and feel the need to blame someone else. They complain about how something needs to be done and so your politicians pick it up as an issue to get them public attention, ergo votes. Do you really think most congressmen genuinely care if people are overdosing? You're really a ray of sunshine and a bastion of freedom. * There is actually more at work here than a simple weakness but you refused to accept that in another thread so why bother addressing it here. View Quote Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue. |
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Quoted: The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over. I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. View Quote |
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Quoted: Translation: Fuck freedom and fuck Indonesian tree leaves, I'd rather see people overdosing on pharmaceutical opioid narcotics and dropping dead from benzodiazepine withdrawal. These are drugs that have been "studied" and approved by the same corporate-bureaucratic cartel that profits billions from the opioid crisis and happily watches Americans die to line their wallet. ALL drugs are bad, except for the drugs that big pharma sells. And I prefer to let them tell me what to think. People who need "drugs" to function because of daily agony and pain are losers who should have no quality of life. In fact, they should just suffer or die. Veterans included. If you hate people like me and our herb... then you come kick my door in and take my Kratom, yourself. Why send cops... you're a grown man, make it happen on your own. That's some passive aggressive liberal shit right there. Backstabbing legislation is how they get rid of gun owners. You're gonna support a ban, turn your fellow citizen in to a criminal and sic the full weight of Government on them for having a preference YOU don't like. If it's that fucking urgent, why not be a hero yourself? Come and take my freedom- I dare ya. View Quote I suggest looking into the lymbic and reward system, maybe your views on this would change. |
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Quoted:The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. View Quote I would say the addictions to food and sex cause tens of hundreds, if not thousands of times more damage to our society than Kratom (full disclosure I have never tried Kratom but I have eaten and had sex before). So when the government says "fatties" (to use the term commonly used here in fat hate threads) need to be regulated ... mandatory weigh-ins, fines/taxes based on every pound you carry on you, restrictions/taxes on sugary drinks (NY and Seattle I'm looking at you), increased regulation on the content of foods ... where does it all end? Sorry. I think it doesn't begin. The people need to put the government back in its place providing for a common defense and all that stuff that kept them busy for the first 150 years or so of this nation's history. |
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Quoted: The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue. View Quote If you want to debate neuroscience with big words in a territory that is obviously unfamiliar to you, then pepper your angus and wait till I get off this phone and back to my keyboard. I'll be looking forward to your paragraphs of copy/pasted Wikipedia material. |
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Quoted: With great "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. View Quote |
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Quoted: when all I want is the best quality of life for everyone. People don't realize how bad these drugs are. I've taken a couple of college level courses on this, and its scary to think people just pop these mu receptor agonists without knowing how much they affect their lives.
I suggest looking into the lymbic and reward system, maybe your views on this would change. View Quote I suggest you walk a mile in the shoes of someone who suffers chronic pain. Pain that wakes you up in the middle of the night screaming out loud in pain, tears pouring from your eyes, until you take yet another kidney, liver, and personality killing narcotic. Struggling for hours tossing and turning to find sleep. Raging uncontrollably against the people closest to you to the point where you lose all common sense, pushing everyone away except for those hold on to the memory of you pre-injury/pre-medication. Suffer pain so intense that you can't lay down, walk, sit, have sex, or drive to work without taking the prescribed poisons. Pain so intense that you stop hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling anything else around you ... drugs so strong that you walk through life as a shell of your former self. The pain doesn't register but at some level another part of the brain knows it's there and you rage inside because of it. Hell just writing about the way I felt for so many years has my blood pressure elevated and my nerves going causing my hands to tremble again. If Kratom brings some joy into someone's life and ruins others who are you to claim the power to stop them? |
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So the .gov bans kratom, then in falls into the black channels, then it gets cut with fent, then it kills everybody.
If I can figure that out, I'm sure they did to. Which leads to the next statement...That is what they intend . |
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Quoted: I suggest you walk a mile in the shoes of someone who suffers chronic pain. Pain that wakes you up in the middle of the night screaming out loud in pain, tears pouring from your eyes, until you take yet another kidney, liver, and personality killing narcotic. Struggling for hours tossing and turning to find sleep. Raging uncontrollably against the people closest to you to the point where you lose all common sense, pushing everyone away except for those hold on to the memory of you pre-injury/pre-medication. Suffer pain so intense that you can't lay down, walk, sit, have sex, or drive to work without taking the prescribed poisons. Pain so intense that you stop hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling anything else around you ... drugs so strong that you walk through life as a shell of your former self. The pain doesn't register but at some level another part of the brain knows it's there and you rage inside because of it. Hell just writing about the way I felt for so many years has my blood pressure elevated and my nerves going causing my hands to tremble again. If Kratom brings some joy into someone's life and ruins others who are you to claim the power to stop them? View Quote I had an accident aboard ship the morning of December 31, 1999 while on duty. I was running the duty section of the USS Abraham Lincoln as we were running our reactors to provide power back into the grid for critical loads should Y2K be real. One slip on the second step of the ladder running down the starboard side of MMR2 and I changed my life. On the way down the 25-30 feet of ladder the toes of my right foot caught one of the chain stanchions and pulled my toes back hyperextending the muscles deep inside my calf ... 1, 2, 3 and finally about 80% of the muscle tissues tore loose ending up in a large gumball size knot inside my calf and a lifetime of pain. The Navy and later the VA gave me a prescription for little blue pills with 30 mg of relief in them. I was addicted to them for some six to eight years ... those who have been here long enough were here for those years. |
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Quoted: I suggest you walk a mile in the shoes of someone who suffers chronic pain. Pain that wakes you up in the middle of the night screaming out loud in pain, tears pouring from your eyes, until you take yet another kidney, liver, and personality killing narcotic. Struggling for hours tossing and turning to find sleep. Raging uncontrollably against the people closest to you to the point where you lose all common sense, pushing everyone away except for those hold on to the memory of you pre-injury/pre-medication. Suffer pain so intense that you can't lay down, walk, sit, have sex, or drive to work without taking the prescribed poisons. Pain so intense that you stop hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling anything else around you ... drugs so strong that you walk through life as a shell of your former self. The pain doesn't register but at some level another part of the brain knows it's there and you rage inside because of it. Hell just writing about the way I felt for so many years has my blood pressure elevated and my nerves going causing my hands to tremble again. If Kratom brings some joy into someone's life and ruins others who are you to claim the power to stop them? View Quote |
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Quoted: F'ing quoting myself. I had an accident aboard ship the morning of December 31, 1999 while on duty. I was running the duty section of the USS Abraham Lincoln as we were running our reactors to provide power back into the grid for critical loads should Y2K be real. One slip on the second step of the ladder running down the starboard side of MMR2 and I changed my life. On the way down the 25-30 feet of ladder the toes of my right foot caught one of the chain stanchions and pulled my toes back hyperextending the muscles deep inside my calf ... 1, 2, 3 and finally about 80% of the muscle tissues tore loose ending up in a large gumball size knot inside my calf and a lifetime of pain. The Navy and later the VA gave me a prescription for little blue pills with 30 mg of relief in them. I was addicted to them for some six to eight years ... those who have been here long enough were here for those years. View Quote |
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Quoted: The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over. I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. View Quote And I took pretty much the same path of philosophy of government. I realized a long time ago that while I agree with conservative's on some issues, we differ greatly on the role of the government. |
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over. I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:PS- Don't eat ketchup or eggplant, they put the nicotines there. And for the love of Drug-Hatin' Mohammed, stay away from decaffeinated tea...it's still got traces of the caffeines! I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. |
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Quoted: I suggest you walk a mile in the shoes of someone who suffers chronic pain. Pain that wakes you up in the middle of the night screaming out loud in pain, tears pouring from your eyes, until you take yet another kidney, liver, and personality killing narcotic. Struggling for hours tossing and turning to find sleep. Raging uncontrollably against the people closest to you to the point where you lose all common sense, pushing everyone away except for those hold on to the memory of you pre-injury/pre-medication. Suffer pain so intense that you can't lay down, walk, sit, have sex, or drive to work without taking the prescribed poisons. Pain so intense that you stop hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling anything else around you ... drugs so strong that you walk through life as a shell of your former self. The pain doesn't register but at some level another part of the brain knows it's there and you rage inside because of it. Hell just writing about the way I felt for so many years has my blood pressure elevated and my nerves going causing my hands to tremble again. If Kratom brings some joy into someone's life and ruins others who are you to claim the power to stop them? View Quote |
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I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess the scientific research involved in this study was funded by big pharma. They are not really a big fan of competition. Especially unregulated competition. View Quote |
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Quoted: I don't even know where to begin. You've made so many incorrect assumptions and wild guesses that its futile to refute each point. You've got your mind made up about me, who is only looking out for people. You think I'm some evil freedom grabber, when all I want is the best quality of life for everyone. People don't realize how bad these drugs are. I've taken a couple of college level courses on this, and its scary to think people just pop these mu receptor agonists without knowing how much they affect their lives. I suggest looking into the lymbic and reward system, maybe your views on this would change. View Quote Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C.S. Lewis |
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over. I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:PS- Don't eat ketchup or eggplant, they put the nicotines there. And for the love of Drug-Hatin' Mohammed, stay away from decaffeinated tea...it's still got traces of the caffeines! I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. |
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The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Simple, it's the current boogeyman in a long, long list. In general terms, people can't or won't accept responsibility for their own actions or the actions of their loved ones* and feel the need to blame someone else. They complain about how something needs to be done and so your politicians pick it up as an issue to get them public attention, ergo votes. Do you really think most congressmen genuinely care if people are overdosing? You're really a ray of sunshine and a bastion of freedom. * There is actually more at work here than a simple weakness but you refused to accept that in another thread so why bother addressing it here. Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue. |
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just bought a quarter kilo last week, I knew i should of bought a full kilo.
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Quoted: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C.S. Lewis View Quote |
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over. I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:PS- Don't eat ketchup or eggplant, they put the nicotines there. And for the love of Drug-Hatin' Mohammed, stay away from decaffeinated tea...it's still got traces of the caffeines! I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh? When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens? With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens. "Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now. |
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Pretty sure it was sarcasm. I tried to come up with a response and concluded it couldn't have been real.
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Quoted: The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue. View Quote Freedom is inherently dangerous and may have things in it that you may not like or might be harmful(Tobbaco/booze/Krantom/etc). I am no fan of drug addiction, however, those who want to do drugs will do them, no matter what laws you push on people. In high school, it was easier to get weed than booze or cigs...how did those laws work out? You cannot legislate the choices people make. Social engineering does not work, hands down. |
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44 deaths due to kratom Lets not mention how many deaths due to: over the counter meds, energy drinks, Tide Pods, etc.. This whole world is fucking stupid. View Quote Which makes your last statement even more correct. |
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The Washington Post had Kratom on the front page on Sunday.
Not good. read for yourself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/kratom-is-hailed-as-a-natural-pain-remedy-assailed-as-an-addictive-killer-the-us-wants-to-treat-it-like-heroin/2018/02/10/aaf4bf7c-077e-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.c41573def9f4 |
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The Washington Post had Kratom on the front page on Sunday. Not good. read for yourself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/kratom-is-hailed-as-a-natural-pain-remedy-assailed-as-an-addictive-killer-the-us-wants-to-treat-it-like-heroin/2018/02/10/aaf4bf7c-077e-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.c41573def9f4 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The Washington Post had Kratom on the front page on Sunday. Not good. read for yourself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/kratom-is-hailed-as-a-natural-pain-remedy-assailed-as-an-addictive-killer-the-us-wants-to-treat-it-like-heroin/2018/02/10/aaf4bf7c-077e-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.c41573def9f4 Nancy Knoebel’s 27-year-old son began using kratom after he stopped taking medication to treat his heroin addiction. He was having withdrawal symptoms, so he turned to the herbal remedy. Within a few months, Knoebel’s son was dead from what a medical examiner determined were the “toxic effects” of kratom.
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^ I think the drug companies want control of this and they are using the govt to make it happen. It could be worth a lot of money. Nothing more complicate than that.
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And just like that, a new product is available on the black market with all of the problems that causes.
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And those who know what's best for us....must rise and save us from ourselves... Freedom is inherently dangerous and may have things in it that you may not like or might be harmful(Tobbaco/booze/Krantom/etc). I am no fan of drug addiction, however, those who want to do drugs will do them, no matter what laws you push on people. In high school, it was easier to get weed than booze or cigs...how did those laws work out? You cannot legislate the choices people make. Social engineering does not work, hands down. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue. Freedom is inherently dangerous and may have things in it that you may not like or might be harmful(Tobbaco/booze/Krantom/etc). I am no fan of drug addiction, however, those who want to do drugs will do them, no matter what laws you push on people. In high school, it was easier to get weed than booze or cigs...how did those laws work out? You cannot legislate the choices people make. Social engineering does not work, hands down. |
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Why are there so many liberty haters in here???? Blows my mind
"Hurr durr...good fuck that shit!!!! Ban it!!!!" For those that are cheering on Kratom being banned....why? |
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Oh, so it might help some people and cut into big Pharma's revenue? Quick, regulate it! View Quote They say we're in an opioid epidemic and then they take away the last safe, natural alternative to narcotics that we have left for serious pain by classifying it as an opioid. Our Grandparents grew up with opium in a bottle in their bathroom but we can't be trusted with a much milder, unrefined pain killer. They began clinical trials on synthetic versions of this a few years back. I guess they are getting ready to market it. Land of the free huh? |
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Makes me fucking pissed.
Add anger to pain that will never end...let some nancyboys wave their finger in your face, tell you what a bad person you are for using Kratom. I hope they suffer the same thing, one day. Wouldn't wish this pain on anybody but those who wish it on me. Or wish that I was addicted to pharmaceutical-grade narcotics, instead. What kind of cuckold that likes to watch his wife get railed by third world immigrants wishes his fellow patriot to have less freedom, less ability to function for his family, less pain? Try waking up in tears and agony at 3 in the morning, sobbing so loud that it also wakes up your toddler kid sleeping next to you. Try explaining that to him. Or try feeling yourself go over the edge of pharmaceutical addiction- knowing that you have to choose between pain and the kind of addiction that snowballs in to heroin use, no in-between. Now imagine finding the cure to pain and pharmaceutical addiction, in a harmless fucking tree leaf. Now try to imagine someone taking it away from you because they "know better." Try to fathom those same persons calling themselves "American." They aren't. Kratom is fucking tea. Steal it from the American people, tax it to death...wait, you've heard that story before- right? |
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PA Botanicals. We've been getting it from there for years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anyone know where to get some of this kratom? Asking for a friend... |
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