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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:48:28 PM EDT
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Motherfuckers
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:49:31 PM EDT
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Rigged system is doing what it does best, the Fed is decoupled from the market and out of touch!
8 years of 0% with the brown clown in office and now watch who gets blamed in the news, the entire system is nothing but a giant joke. Watch for a major downturn in the markets the first week of January, it’s gonna get real ugly and real fast! |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:50:38 PM EDT
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Fed and their Wall St goombahs (and insider-immune congress) have already harvested profits ahead of the announcement.
Now they will kill the economy through the 2020 election. Depending on who wins, they will resuscitate it. Pump and dump on a massive scale. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:50:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:51:10 PM EDT
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Aren't interest rates supposed to reflect loan default rates? I'm no finance expert, but ZIRP seem to indicate there are no loan defaults in the economy. How can that be?
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:52:18 PM EDT
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Meh fuck it all.
"We need inflation" no wait "We need deflation," fuck all this shit. Tilt at windmills. Markets are really adept when there is no centralization. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:52:26 PM EDT
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Sure, that's on a instrument with no risk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm REALLY starting to sound like a broken record here. Once again. If someone buys a 1-Yr treasury today, they make 2.72%. Minus annualized inflation as of November of 2.2% = 0.52% real rate of interest. And that's with the official inflation rate  .
It's not an inappropriate comparison. Use a savings account return if you want. 2.25% - 2.2% inflation. The point is that the Fed really isn't raising interest rates if inflation keeps right behind it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:52:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf the SEC didn't watch pr0n 24x7, we might have a glimpse as to what is really going on. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL Powell is Trump's guy. For the last 5 years of BHO's presidency, GD screamed about how the Fed needed to stop printing money and needed to start slowly raising interest rates. Now that they have started doing just that, it's some grand conspiracy manufactured to take down Trump. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:54:50 PM EDT
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Obama openly threatened the banks and they kept it at 0.25% for most of his term. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of course they did. They had no choice. Trump backed them into a corner. If they had not raised rates, it would have signaled that they had caved to political pressure, and all faith in the system would have been lost. Perversely, if Trump had been quiet, he might have gotten what he wanted. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:58:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:58:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: LOL Powell is Trump's guy. For the last 5 years of BHO's presidency, GD screamed about how the Fed needed to stop printing money and needed to start slowly raising interest rates. Now that they have started doing just that, it's some grand conspiracy manufactured to take down Trump. FOMC |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL Powell is Trump's guy. For the last 5 years of BHO's presidency, GD screamed about how the Fed needed to stop printing money and needed to start slowly raising interest rates. Now that they have started doing just that, it's some grand conspiracy manufactured to take down Trump. and still not sorry your gal lost |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:00:18 PM EDT
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Almost like they help a certain political party. If the SEC didn't watch pr0n 24x7, we might have a glimpse as to what is really going on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Almost like they help a certain political party. If the SEC didn't watch pr0n 24x7, we might have a glimpse as to what is really going on. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:01:26 PM EDT
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Up 97 points right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Dow was up 350 before this decision was announced. Now the numbers are turning negative. We didn't need this one |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:05:19 PM EDT
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Just an 800 point drop. No biggy
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:06:18 PM EDT
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Obama had zero interest rate. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:07:29 PM EDT
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If a Dem president is elected next election what is the over/under that the rates drop immediately?
#SWAMPLIFE |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:07:47 PM EDT
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With the hope there will be no more rate hikes for a while We didn't need this one Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Dow was up 350 before this decision was announced. Now the numbers are turning negative. We didn't need this one |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:10:22 PM EDT
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Be ready for the recession because its coming. Every time the economy is rolling along the Fed pops it. They popped the dot com and they popped the housing bubble. Sock your money away because its coming. The housing bubble popped because the secretary of HUD, a guy named Andrew Cuomo, forced banks to give out sub prime mortgages to people who could not afford them. This artificially inflated housing prices. for awhile. The bubble was deliberately popped in 2008 so Obama could win. Why sock money away of it is not earning interest? I am an official old fart and can remember when my daily dividend saving account paid 5.75% interest. Surprisingly enough, the economy was doing pretty good too. Do not make the mistake of equating an overpriced stock market to a healthy economy. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:10:56 PM EDT
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We were finally seeing a dip in rates and more confidence in the market. I am going to lose business over this.
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:11:22 PM EDT
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Motherfucker deep state
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:15:10 PM EDT
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Sure, that's on a instrument with no risk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm REALLY starting to sound like a broken record here. Once again. If someone buys a 1-Yr treasury today, they make 2.72%. Minus annualized inflation as of November of 2.2% = 0.52% real rate of interest. And that's with the official inflation rate . |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:18:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't mistake the risk free rate of return as actually being risk free. There is a tiny bit of credit risk, liquidity, and a lot of interest rate risk |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:24:30 PM EDT
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Trump should feel flattered. Obama's economy was in no danger of running out of control, thus zero interest rate. Trump's economy is so good that rate increases are needed to control it.
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:27:33 PM EDT
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3:26PM Eastern and DOW is down 415 points. Was up prior to the announcement.
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:29:39 PM EDT
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Realistically rates need to be about 5% and the sooner Trump quits bitching about it and accepts economic reality, the sooner we can actually have the legitimate recovery, that we never had after the last recession
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:32:15 PM EDT
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Aren't interest rates supposed to reflect loan default rates? I'm no finance expert, but ZIRP seem to indicate there are no loan defaults in the economy. How can that be? |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:35:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't mistake the risk free rate of return as actually being risk free. There is a tiny bit of credit risk, liquidity, and a lot of interest rate risk |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:36:21 PM EDT
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Truth. Gotta pay the piper from the 2008 dump
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Realistically rates need to be about 5% and the sooner Trump quits bitching about it and accepts economic reality, the sooner we can actually have the legitimate recovery, that we never had after the last recession |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:39:17 PM EDT
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Realistically rates need to be about 5% and the sooner Trump quits bitching about it and accepts economic reality, the sooner we can actually have the legitimate recovery, that we never had after the last recession |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:42:46 PM EDT
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Yes but it is the most risk-free investment instrument an individual has access to, is it not? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Don't mistake the risk free rate of return as actually being risk free. There is a tiny bit of credit risk, liquidity, and a lot of interest rate risk It is important to understand when people call it risk free they mean default risk, not all the other risks. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:44:03 PM EDT
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yep, can't have Trump be successful, so got to raise interest rates to kill the economy edit - feds kept the interest rate at zero to an effective negative interest rate during obama's term, to protect him and hide the recession while bho was in office. now, they got to raise it through the roof to kill Trump's successful one, where everyone is making money But we'll go with your conspiracy. It's juicier. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:49:24 PM EDT
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Everyone bitching about the rate hike is no different than any other welfare recipient.
The Fed and .gov manipulated the shit out of the markets to save your stupid asses..... FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE....., and now when they are trying to reel in some of that government cheese, you're up in arms about "Muh investments!". How fucking stupid do you have to be to think any of this market is real? P/E ratios are fucked. Corporate debt is fucked. Pensions fucked. Hedge funds closing left and right. ......... Market has been on life support for 10 goddamn years, GDP a function of increasing debt for the last 40 years.. and if this comes as a suprise to any of you..... God help ya. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:49:57 PM EDT
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Kill it! Kill the economy!
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:52:02 PM EDT
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And now the housing market will crash in the next few months. Not going to say it will be like the bubble burst 10 years ago, but it will definitely decline significantly over the next 6 months. Spring/early summer is a huge real housing sales time and we will know by July 4th just how bad it is. The economy right now is excellent EXCEPT for the sentiment that people are feeling and hearing from the MSM about how it's all going to come crashing down. So a lot of people react without data, just feelings based on what they heard or think will happen. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:00:33 PM EDT
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LOL Powell is Trump's guy. For the last 5 years of BHO's presidency, GD screamed about how the Fed needed to stop printing money and needed to start slowly raising interest rates. Now that they have started doing just that, it's some grand conspiracy manufactured to take down Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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yep, can't have Trump be successful, so got to raise interest rates to kill the economy edit - feds kept the interest rate at zero to an effective negative interest rate during obama's term, to protect him and hide the recession while bho was in office. now, they got to raise it through the roof to kill Trump's successful one, where everyone is making money For the last 5 years of BHO's presidency, GD screamed about how the Fed needed to stop printing money and needed to start slowly raising interest rates. Now that they have started doing just that, it's some grand conspiracy manufactured to take down Trump. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:03:12 PM EDT
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lol "Bubbles are good when our guy is in office" |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:03:58 PM EDT
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Everyone bitching about the rate hike is no different than any other welfare recipient. The Fed and .gov manipulated the shit out of the markets to save your stupid asses..... FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE....., and now when they are trying to reel in some of that government cheese, you're up in arms about "Muh investments!". How fucking stupid do you have to be to think any of this market is real? P/E ratios are fucked. Corporate debt is fucked. Pensions fucked. Hedge funds closing left and right. ......... Market has been on life support for 10 goddamn years, GDP a function of increasing debt for the last 40 years.. and if this comes as a suprise to any of you..... God help ya. But you can't run ZIRP forever. This whole 'recovery' is just a giant bubble of debt, waiting to pop. Sure there's some good economic news, some growth, but nothing like the recovery people think was 'real'. I'm curious if we'll go into a decade of stagflation like Japan did. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:05:49 PM EDT
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I read a financial page commentary that said something akin to "The Fed isn't there to react to loony stock market traders; they're there to keep the ACTUAL economy running smoothly" - and the economy is still doing great, even if the stock market has been pushed down by nervous nellies. Too high interest rates have real effects on the economy beyond real estate and car sales, including making the dollar too expensive, which wrecks our exports, makes imports dirt cheap, and causes large in-flows of foreign money. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:08:44 PM EDT
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The rate hike isn’t even the big news. QT is. 
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:09:27 PM EDT
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The rate hike isn’t even the big news. QT is.
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:12:56 PM EDT
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Everyone bitching about the rate hike is no different than any other welfare recipient. The Fed and .gov manipulated the shit out of the markets to save your stupid asses..... FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE....., and now when they are trying to reel in some of that government cheese, you're up in arms about "Muh investments!". How fucking stupid do you have to be to think any of this market is real? P/E ratios are fucked. Corporate debt is fucked. Pensions fucked. Hedge funds closing left and right. ......... Market has been on life support for 10 goddamn years, GDP a function of increasing debt for the last 40 years.. and if this comes as a suprise to any of you..... God help ya. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:15:36 PM EDT
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Powell was nominated by Trump.... They operate by "consensus" which means if the Dems still have the majority on the FOMC the committee votes the majority way. Right now the vote appears to be 6 to 3 to keep raising rates. If Trump gets his two governors on the Board them it becomes 6-5. The FOMC raised interest rates once during Obama's term. One time in eight years. How many interest rates have we now had in the two years since Trump was elected? 8? 10? |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:17:01 PM EDT
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Really? S&P PE ratio today would support an interest rate of 5.2 percent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone bitching about the rate hike is no different than any other welfare recipient. The Fed and .gov manipulated the shit out of the markets to save your stupid asses..... FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE....., and now when they are trying to reel in some of that government cheese, you're up in arms about "Muh investments!". How fucking stupid do you have to be to think any of this market is real? P/E ratios are fucked. Corporate debt is fucked. Pensions fucked. Hedge funds closing left and right. ......... Market has been on life support for 10 goddamn years, GDP a function of increasing debt for the last 40 years.. and if this comes as a suprise to any of you..... God help ya. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:19:55 PM EDT
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Be ready for the recession because its coming. Every time the economy is rolling along the Fed pops it. They popped the dot com and they popped the housing bubble. Sock your money away because its coming. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:21:42 PM EDT
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Congratulations to Chairman Powell on another successful suicide mission to destroy the economy.
The guy is an idiot. 2 more dot plots for 2019. Why can't he just say, "We have no idea and we just have to look at numbers as they come in?". That would make more sense than forecasting the future. He's not a weatherman. Where is his magic 8 ball? |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:24:25 PM EDT
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I guess we now know who runs bartertown.
Should I go out and buy a yellow vest? The mind wanders... |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:25:13 PM EDT
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Of course when I'm looking to buy a new place. Assholes
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Posted: 12/19/2018 5:26:30 PM EDT
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