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Posted: 12/21/2021 11:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't state it's Volume 2, but sounds like what you were referring. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB370/docs/Document%205.pdf "This short book provides an up-to-date introduction to the·tactics employed by insurgents in southern Afghanistan during the years 2005-2008. It includes vignettes and maps on 19 different tactically significant engagements. The book covers three types of attacks: ambushes, attacks on fixed positions, and defensive engagements. The intended audience is Marines and soldiers going into theatre." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I do believe that's Volume 1. Volume 2 is all vignettes and lessons from recent GWOT operations. Doesn't state it's Volume 2, but sounds like what you were referring. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB370/docs/Document%205.pdf "This short book provides an up-to-date introduction to the·tactics employed by insurgents in southern Afghanistan during the years 2005-2008. It includes vignettes and maps on 19 different tactically significant engagements. The book covers three types of attacks: ambushes, attacks on fixed positions, and defensive engagements. The intended audience is Marines and soldiers going into theatre." Damn, you're good! That's the one. |
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Posted: 12/22/2021 1:54:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you mean this If you can access? As far as I know it's open source. You just need to know where to look. Thank you. That's a lot of info and some dam good reading. Oh GPS I didn't think about that one... Back to map and compass and watch. I have become so spoiled with my GPS. I can see how GPS could spoil a guy. I am a hard core map and compass type. Did freestyle land nav racing, adventure races, etc. When the wife is in the car and we're going someplace new or difficult, she always boots up google maps and that thing puts you right on the money 99%of the time. Way too convenient. No, a GPS is purely a radio receiver. It does not contain a transmitter. I don't think the EMI they emit is powerful enough to be tracked. I used to be responsible for passing EMI tests with computer equipment, and the energy budget just isn't there: if a GPS emitted a strong signal inadvertently, it would significantly shorten its useful battery life. IMO the GPS should only be started intermittently anyway. To verify a position plotted on a map, or to sort out position if nav has gone sideways. If it's hanging there running continuously it's just using battery power. Start it up, get a fix, plot on the map, shut it off. I've got a pretty good handle on GPS operations, having used them to locate ships and seabed features all over the world, and I know a lot of folks are not clear on their operating principles. Would anyone be interested in a thread discussing how they work? I still use my maps because it is good for me. I understand the need for map/compass land nav. But is there a problem with using a regular GPS (not a cell phone)from a EM standpoint? They don't transmit anything. GT is wearing one in the video. I don't know. |
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Posted: 12/22/2021 1:58:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: - it is thought exercise that is not about the woods, look around you - that's what it's about - metal on metal sounds can only be made by people - 1 gallon plastic zip locks are a very good friend to small electronics / maps / socks / etc - Radios - it is more about the listening, so in an such a circumstance - have a solution for listening to the radio without being loud enough for others to hear it - base layer applies to bottoms too, gortex pants are loud, wool is warm even when wet, synthetics dry quickly - Adaptive Field Density Ballistic Cards + Mil Dot Master + a very good understanding of your reticle and load will get you a loooooooong way home and are 100% passive / non electrical. FYI cards for 175 SMKs can be manipulated (based on velocity) for 77's. - Learn about 'Loop Holes' - USGS Quad maps - you should have lots of them beginning with where you live and extending out - maps and nav is whole other topic in and of itself - Get out there, do some of this. You can not just read about / watch it. A lot of hunting gore-tex has a fuzzy outer surface to suppress noise. A branch scraping on a nylon jacket or pants makes a very distinctive sound which carries a long ways. Once I was set up for coyote hunting with a buddy who was wearing a surplus ECWCS shell, that thing sounded like a rhinoceros stepping on a pallet load of potato chip bags every time he moved. |
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Posted: 12/22/2021 1:59:47 AM EDT
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This thread is really picking up steam, thank you all for the references. I am going to dedicate a thumb drive to the stuff I'm downloading here. Excellent content, keep it coming.
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Posted: 12/22/2021 2:17:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you mean this If you can access? As far as I know it's open source. You just need to know where to look. Thank you. That's a lot of info and some dam good reading. Oh GPS I didn't think about that one... Back to map and compass and watch. I have become so spoiled with my GPS. I can see how GPS could spoil a guy. I am a hard core map and compass type. Did freestyle land nav racing, adventure races, etc. When the wife is in the car and we're going someplace new or difficult, she always boots up google maps and that thing puts you right on the money 99%of the time. Way too convenient. No, a GPS is purely a radio receiver. It does not contain a transmitter. I don't think the EMI they emit is powerful enough to be tracked. I used to be responsible for passing EMI tests with computer equipment, and the energy budget just isn't there: if a GPS emitted a strong signal inadvertently, it would significantly shorten its useful battery life. IMO the GPS should only be started intermittently anyway. To verify a position plotted on a map, or to sort out position if nav has gone sideways. If it's hanging there running continuously it's just using battery power. Start it up, get a fix, plot on the map, shut it off. I've got a pretty good handle on GPS operations, having used them to locate ships and seabed features all over the world, and I know a lot of folks are not clear on their operating principles. Would anyone be interested in a thread discussing how they work? I still use my maps because it is good for me. I understand the need for map/compass land nav. But is there a problem with using a regular GPS (not a cell phone)from a EM standpoint? They don't transmit anything. GT is wearing one in the video. I don't know. They would emit RFI at the cpu clock frequency (and harmonics), not sure at what strength or the ability for modern equipment to pick it up though. Same for any device with a cpu from where the battery is not removed - if keyed off something will still be getting clocked waiting for a button press to bring it out of sleep. |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 1:34:20 AM EDT
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Great thread, particularly the links posted on the last two pages.
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Posted: 12/23/2021 9:51:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you mean this If you can access? As far as I know it's open source. You just need to know where to look. Can you find any open source RSLC materials besides FMs? |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 11:36:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would emit RFI at the cpu clock frequency (and harmonics), not sure at what strength or the ability for modern equipment to pick it up though. Same for any device with a cpu from where the battery is not removed - if keyed off something will still be getting clocked waiting for a button press to bring it out of sleep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you mean this If you can access? As far as I know it's open source. You just need to know where to look. Thank you. That's a lot of info and some dam good reading. Oh GPS I didn't think about that one... Back to map and compass and watch. I have become so spoiled with my GPS. I can see how GPS could spoil a guy. I am a hard core map and compass type. Did freestyle land nav racing, adventure races, etc. When the wife is in the car and we're going someplace new or difficult, she always boots up google maps and that thing puts you right on the money 99%of the time. Way too convenient. No, a GPS is purely a radio receiver. It does not contain a transmitter. I don't think the EMI they emit is powerful enough to be tracked. I used to be responsible for passing EMI tests with computer equipment, and the energy budget just isn't there: if a GPS emitted a strong signal inadvertently, it would significantly shorten its useful battery life. IMO the GPS should only be started intermittently anyway. To verify a position plotted on a map, or to sort out position if nav has gone sideways. If it's hanging there running continuously it's just using battery power. Start it up, get a fix, plot on the map, shut it off. I've got a pretty good handle on GPS operations, having used them to locate ships and seabed features all over the world, and I know a lot of folks are not clear on their operating principles. Would anyone be interested in a thread discussing how they work? I still use my maps because it is good for me. I understand the need for map/compass land nav. But is there a problem with using a regular GPS (not a cell phone)from a EM standpoint? They don't transmit anything. GT is wearing one in the video. I don't know. They would emit RFI at the cpu clock frequency (and harmonics), not sure at what strength or the ability for modern equipment to pick it up though. Same for any device with a cpu from where the battery is not removed - if keyed off something will still be getting clocked waiting for a button press to bring it out of sleep. Yes to all the above. I've been thinking about this, I probably couldn't test it in an urban environment because the noise floor would overwhelm any signal. So I would take the GPS and spectrum analyzer somewhere electrically quiet Since I don't have a faraday cage, where would I go? The mountains! IMO a cell phone or careless radio transmission is probably a bigger threat for RF detection. |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 11:36:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you find any open source RSLC materials besides FMs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you mean this If you can access? As far as I know it's open source. You just need to know where to look. Can you find any open source RSLC materials besides FMs? I'll add a link if I find any. Anything in particular you're looking for? |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 12:57:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll add a link if I find any. Anything in particular you're looking for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you mean this If you can access? As far as I know it's open source. You just need to know where to look. Can you find any open source RSLC materials besides FMs? I'll add a link if I find any. Anything in particular you're looking for? I have a bunch, its all awesome, but I dont know how available it is. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 7:32:09 AM EDT
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This video and this channel seem to have some interesting tidbits. They are analyzing open source military capabilities and SOPs to help civilians understand some of the stuff that's out on the battlefield.
This video, for example, is about small drones like we see in Syria/Armenia, etc. Obviously there's a lot of this stuff that doesn't apply if for some reason a large government is looking for you, but if shtf, other people/groups with small drones could be a valid threat. Plus it's just stuff to think about. Also while a lot of the .mil programs and capabilities are probably old news to a lot of those who have been in the military recently, for a lot of civilians, it's completely news. Like when they mention Gorgon Stare tech, etc. Seems like even if that's the open source stuff it's good to at least know about.  How to Hide From Drones: Lessons Learned in Modern War |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 9:18:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This video and this channel seem to have some interesting tidbits. They are analyzing open source military capabilities and SOPs to help civilians understand some of the stuff that's out on the battlefield. This video, for example, is about small drones like we see in Syria/Armenia, etc. Obviously there's a lot of this stuff that doesn't apply if for some reason a large government is looking for you, but if shtf, other people/groups with small drones could be a valid threat. Plus it's just stuff to think about. Also while a lot of the .mil programs and capabilities are probably old news to a lot of those who have been in the military recently, for a lot of civilians, it's completely news. Like when they mention Gorgon Stare tech, etc. Seems like even if that's the open source stuff it's good to at least know about.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYVpvXNiYi8The camouflage manual they discuss in the video can be found at one of the previously shared links: http://www.2ndbn5thmar.com/camouflage/Camouflage%20SOP.pdf  |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 12:59:23 PM EDT
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Cool.
We got all the field manuals we could ever want. Now who the hell teaches this shit? |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 1:14:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. We got all the field manuals we could ever want. Now who the hell teaches this shit? Get out and apply whats in the field manuals? Trial and error are great teachers. Take pictures, share what you learn here and we all benefit. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 1:57:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get out and apply whats in the field manuals? Trial and error are great teachers. Take pictures, share what you learn here and we all benefit. Texas doesn't have much public land you can safely do any of this on. You got Bubba and Bubba junior out on the public land we do have blasting like Yosemite Sam at anything that moves. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 2:34:21 PM EDT
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Years ago I found the Air Force survival manual in a book store. It's a big, comprehensive document that goes into detail on a broad set of topics. I highly recommend it.
PDF version: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwBVZQFLg8OfcHdnNHpTUmdMRjg/edit?resourcekey=0-Ry086HxatUoXSn-CBQ2vRA How to get started? As others have said, go out and practice. To expand on that, build skills incrementally. It's a learning process, and someone who's never spent time outdoors needs to learn foundational skills, and continually add to their skill set. You probably won't go straight out and through-hike the PCT. Start off with the basics for survival. Water, shelter, fire. Camp out in the back yard. Find the flaws in your gear and training. Gradually expand your outings. Spend a night 100 yards from the car with only what's in your pockets. Build a shelter and spend a few days in it. Backcountry hunting is a great way to train. Now you're not only occupying a place, you're actively pursuing game and camping out is a means to that end. All this takes time and commitment. I've been playing in the woods since the mid 70's and I'm still learning. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 4:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas doesn't have much public land you can safely do any of this on. You got Bubba and Bubba junior out on the public land we do have blasting like Yosemite Sam at anything that moves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get out and apply whats in the field manuals? Trial and error are great teachers. Take pictures, share what you learn here and we all benefit. Texas doesn't have much public land you can safely do any of this on. You got Bubba and Bubba junior out on the public land we do have blasting like Yosemite Sam at anything that moves. Just think of that as extra motivation to get your cammo, movement, and observation shit wired tight.  Archer is right that trial and error with partners who are critical and honest and smart goes a long way. Professional instruction can get you more, faster, and sometimes better. There are facilities that teach this stuff to civilians with Cadre who aren't Bubba and his self taught buddies. Storm Mountain had some good courses. I don't know their current status. For the actual bushcraft side of things, there are better resources, methods and teachers than military stuff, imo. Some of what I grew up with. (Pay no attention to the Ayoob stuff. It was good for the era but is...lacking)   Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 4:36:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ] Just think of that as extra motivation to get your cammo, movement, and observation shit wired tight. Archer is right that trial and error with partners who are critical and honest and smart goes a long way. Professional instruction can get you more, faster, and sometimes better. There are facilities that teach this stuff to civilians with Cadre who aren't Bubba and his self taught buddies. Storm Mountain had some good courses. I don't know their current status. For the actual bushcraft side of things, there are better resources, methods and teachers than military stuff, imo. Some of what I grew up with. (Pay no attention to the Ayoob stuff. It was good for the era but is...lacking) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/206831/20211220_182805_jpg-2215453.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/206831/20211220_182942_jpg-2215455.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/206831/20211220_182956_jpg-2215456.JPG Trial by fire! I am a hands on learner and I can read all the books I want but not understand a thing. Just like the ham radio bullshit. I got the piece of paper saying I can, just don't know how. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 5:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Years ago I found the Air Force survival manual in a book store. It's a big, comprehensive document that goes into detail on a broad set of topics. I highly recommend it. PDF version: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwBVZQFLg8OfcHdnNHpTUmdMRjg/edit?resourcekey=0-Ry086HxatUoXSn-CBQ2vRA How to get started? As others have said, go out and practice. To expand on that, build skills incrementally. It's a learning process, and someone who's never spent time outdoors needs to learn foundational skills, and continually add to their skill set. You probably won't go straight out and through-hike the PCT. Start off with the basics for survival. Water, shelter, fire. Camp out in the back yard. Find the flaws in your gear and training. Gradually expand your outings. Spend a night 100 yards from the car with only what's in your pockets. Build a shelter and spend a few days in it. Backcountry hunting is a great way to train. Now you're not only occupying a place, you're actively pursuing game and camping out is a means to that end. All this takes time and commitment. I've been playing in the woods since the mid 70's and I'm still learning. I would like to second this. I don't know much. But trying to learn. To me the best learning I have had is. when I was hunting back away from rds on foot. It's got it all. One thing I have found is, it's hard to find people that "get it". Most people I have gone with make WAY to much noise in the woods, they are WAY obvious with there movements and it's harder than you would think conveying info with hand signals to some people. So I normally go alone, I do better hunting alone. BUT that's counter to trying to learn and how things should be, plus there's more danger heading into the backcountry alone. Hmmm maybe we should start some group hunting trips in the backcountry. Plus more hands to help pack meat out. Tons of education and a hunting trip. I LOVE the idea. I am game. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 8:40:29 PM EDT
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One of the best threads I have seen on here in a long time.
Thank you to everyone contributing. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 9:40:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to second this. I don't know much. But trying to learn. To me the best learning I have had is. when I was hunting back away from rds on foot. It's got it all. One thing I have found is, it's hard to find people that "get it". Most people I have gone with make WAY to much noise in the woods, they are WAY obvious with there movements and it's harder than you would think conveying info with hand signals to some people. So I normally go alone, I do better hunting alone. BUT that's counter to trying to learn and how things should be, plus there's more danger heading into the backcountry alone. Hmmm maybe we should start some group hunting trips in the backcountry. Plus more hands to help pack meat out. Tons of education and a hunting trip. I LOVE the idea. I am game. This is a great idea. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 10:58:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trial by fire! I am a hands on learner and I can read all the books I want but not understand a thing. Just like the ham radio bullshit. I got the piece of paper saying I can, just don't know how. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ] Just think of that as extra motivation to get your cammo, movement, and observation shit wired tight. Archer is right that trial and error with partners who are critical and honest and smart goes a long way. Professional instruction can get you more, faster, and sometimes better. There are facilities that teach this stuff to civilians with Cadre who aren't Bubba and his self taught buddies. Storm Mountain had some good courses. I don't know their current status. For the actual bushcraft side of things, there are better resources, methods and teachers than military stuff, imo. Some of what I grew up with. (Pay no attention to the Ayoob stuff. It was good for the era but is...lacking) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/206831/20211220_182805_jpg-2215453.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/206831/20211220_182942_jpg-2215455.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/206831/20211220_182956_jpg-2215456.JPG Trial by fire! I am a hands on learner and I can read all the books I want but not understand a thing. Just like the ham radio bullshit. I got the piece of paper saying I can, just don't know how. I tend toward that too. Took me some time to figure out these stupid baofeng deals. My way: Pick 2 or 3 things. Read them. Write them out in your words. Do them until you understand them. Continue to do them until you can teach them to someone else. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 11:09:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trial by fire! I am a hands on learner and I can read all the books I want but not understand a thing. Just like the ham radio bullshit. I got the piece of paper saying I can, just don't know how. That’s because ham bs is goofy the way it is set up. An exam full of information most will never use and very little info you actually will. It’s meant to exclude not train in my opinion. But that is another subject all together and will derail this thread so I will stop there. But practical application is everything. I had a fancy charging handle that was all high speed. Then I took one hike with a plate carrier and that damn latch caught on everything. The rifle hung up, the charging handle unlatched, it was awful. One small item that was terrible in actual use, but cool on the range. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 1:02:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas doesn't have much public land you can safely do any of this on. You got Bubba and Bubba junior out on the public land we do have blasting like Yosemite Sam at anything that moves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get out and apply whats in the field manuals? Trial and error are great teachers. Take pictures, share what you learn here and we all benefit. Texas doesn't have much public land you can safely do any of this on. You got Bubba and Bubba junior out on the public land we do have blasting like Yosemite Sam at anything that moves. I suggest breaking things down into smaller training blocks that work within what you have available. Look into things like geocaching, birdwatching, hunting, etc. to provide an excuse to get yourself outside. IMO professional training will get you in shape faster since you're paying for someone else's experience and will provide much needed context that is lacking in a FM. You don't train people by having them read an FM, it's a supplemental aide. A good example of this is establishing an objective rally point. An FM will say something like "the ORP should be 1 terrain feature away or out of small arms range of the objective area." That's nice, but w/o context one may be lead to believe a drainage ditch is a terrain feature when actually referring to cliffs, mountains, or major rivers. Context is important. Fortunately, fieldcraft is fairly objective in nature. You will or will not develop hypothermia in your shelter. You will land nav your way to where you needed to be by the time you needed to be there or not. You will be seen or unseen. I really like Poole's The Last Hundred Yards since he includes a few competitive free-play exercises that focus on concurrent training. One man walks point up a trail learning how to see, everyone else is camouflaged along the trail trying to be unseen, and there's a review at the end over what did/didn't work and then it repeats with a different person walking point. This is probably the best intro to SUT that I've seen. Hopefully someone finds it useful. IMO Lt. Col. Wolcoff did an excellent job with Special Reconnaissance & Advanced Small Unit Patrolling and should be in everyone's PDF library. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 2:08:49 PM EDT
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He mispronounces his YouTube name and therefore isn’t to be trusted.
I watched his “Is 9mm lethal” video an hour ago,his is one of the very,very few YT channels I can watch. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 3:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suggest breaking things down into smaller training blocks that work within what you have available. Look into things like geocaching, birdwatching, hunting, etc. to provide an excuse to get yourself outside. IMO professional training will get you in shape faster since you're paying for someone else's experience and will provide much needed context that is lacking in a FM. You don't train people by having them read an FM, it's a supplemental aide. A good example of this is establishing an objective rally point. An FM will say something like "the ORP should be 1 terrain feature away or out of small arms range of the objective area." That's nice, but w/o context one may be lead to believe a drainage ditch is a terrain feature when actually referring to cliffs, mountains, or major rivers. Context is important. Fortunately, fieldcraft is fairly objective in nature. You will or will not develop hypothermia in your shelter. You will land nav your way to where you needed to be by the time you needed to be there or not. You will be seen or unseen. I really like Poole's The Last Hundred Yards since he includes a few competitive free-play exercises that focus on concurrent training. One man walks point up a trail learning how to see, everyone else is camouflaged along the trail trying to be unseen, and there's a review at the end over what did/didn't work and then it repeats with a different person walking point. This is probably the best intro to SUT that I've seen. Hopefully someone finds it useful. IMO Lt. Col. Wolcoff did an excellent job with Special Reconnaissance & Advanced Small Unit Patrolling and should be in everyone's PDF library. Very good post. I was getting into geocaching before I had kids. Now they are old enough I can start doing it with them! We go camping but it's not what I'd consider roughing it.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/27/2021 6:58:44 PM EDT
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These threads have been great.
I'm going back to re-watch part2 later tonight. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 9:21:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas doesn't have much public land you can safely do any of this on. You got Bubba and Bubba junior out on the public land we do have blasting like Yosemite Sam at anything that moves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas doesn't have much public land you can safely do any of this on. You got Bubba and Bubba junior out on the public land we do have blasting like Yosemite Sam at anything that moves. Sometimes you just have to go on a road trip Quoted: That's what I always thought and felt. Like it's passive, it should be good to go. BUT in reading the link the the USMC manual on EMCON. When it went over the different EMCON levels. One of the things listed was, "GPS units, off and batteries removed". I was like oh shit, that little bastard must not be totally passive.... Gulp, good to know. At a minimum, a lot of electronic stuff can give off RF noise even if it's not supposed to transmit anything |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 10:18:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes you just have to go on a road trip At a minimum, a lot of electronic stuff can give off RF noise even if it's not supposed to transmit anything Recommend me a place. I ain't scared of a road trip. I have a feeling, Vietnam recon style tactics is going to be the new topic of discussion for the foreseeable future. Again, I wish someone would teach this stuff. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 11:55:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Recommend me a place. I ain't scared of a road trip. I have a feeling, Vietnam recon style tactics is going to be the new topic of discussion for the foreseeable future. Again, I wish someone would teach this stuff. Who you guys reconing? Is there a bunch of NVA running around the mountains of the USA or what? Do some recon work then calling in air strikes or large infantry units? |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 1:27:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who you guys reconing? Is there a bunch of NVA running around the mountains of the USA or what? Do some recon work then calling in air strikes or large infantry units? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Recommend me a place. I ain't scared of a road trip. I have a feeling, Vietnam recon style tactics is going to be the new topic of discussion for the foreseeable future. Again, I wish someone would teach this stuff. Who you guys reconing? Is there a bunch of NVA running around the mountains of the USA or what? Do some recon work then calling in air strikes or large infantry units? 
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Posted: 1/3/2022 2:16:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain than? I run around the hills all the time but I have no illusions I’m doing recon patrols unless I’m scouting I guess. People saying they are going to be doing lots of LRRP is some wtf. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 2:49:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain than? I run around the hills all the time but I have no illusions I’m doing recon patrols unless I’m scouting I guess. People saying they are going to be doing lots of LRRP is some wtf. Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 3:30:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. Squad of dudes with a belt fed, long range rifle and 10 mags a piece. I watched it. If I gets a fraction of his viewers under a ruck and shatters their illusions of being ready for anything I think it was a great video. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 3:55:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They would emit RFI at the cpu clock frequency (and harmonics), not sure at what strength or the ability for modern equipment to pick it up though. Same for any device with a cpu from where the battery is not removed - if keyed off something will still be getting clocked waiting for a button press to bring it out of sleep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you mean this If you can access? As far as I know it's open source. You just need to know where to look. Thank you. That's a lot of info and some dam good reading. Oh GPS I didn't think about that one... Back to map and compass and watch. I have become so spoiled with my GPS. I can see how GPS could spoil a guy. I am a hard core map and compass type. Did freestyle land nav racing, adventure races, etc. When the wife is in the car and we're going someplace new or difficult, she always boots up google maps and that thing puts you right on the money 99%of the time. Way too convenient. No, a GPS is purely a radio receiver. It does not contain a transmitter. I don't think the EMI they emit is powerful enough to be tracked. I used to be responsible for passing EMI tests with computer equipment, and the energy budget just isn't there: if a GPS emitted a strong signal inadvertently, it would significantly shorten its useful battery life. IMO the GPS should only be started intermittently anyway. To verify a position plotted on a map, or to sort out position if nav has gone sideways. If it's hanging there running continuously it's just using battery power. Start it up, get a fix, plot on the map, shut it off. I've got a pretty good handle on GPS operations, having used them to locate ships and seabed features all over the world, and I know a lot of folks are not clear on their operating principles. Would anyone be interested in a thread discussing how they work? I still use my maps because it is good for me. I understand the need for map/compass land nav. But is there a problem with using a regular GPS (not a cell phone)from a EM standpoint? They don't transmit anything. GT is wearing one in the video. I don't know. They would emit RFI at the cpu clock frequency (and harmonics), not sure at what strength or the ability for modern equipment to pick it up though. Same for any device with a cpu from where the battery is not removed - if keyed off something will still be getting clocked waiting for a button press to bring it out of sleep. Correct. Similar to how a "radar detector detector" works. It listens for the oscillator that the detector uses. It can be picked up using modern equipment, even older equipment, but generally gear that sensitive is costly enough that it is reserved for those who can afford to pay a grand for a toilet seat. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 3:56:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Double tap.
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Posted: 1/3/2022 4:03:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Squad of dudes with a belt fed, long range rifle and 10 mags a piece. I watched it. If I gets a fraction of his viewers under a ruck and shatters their illusions of being ready for anything I think it was a great video. Can you do that with any of your local dudes? I'm guessing no... And when I said Vietnam style, I meant doing it without the use of modern electronics and associated equipment. Or did you not hear that part of the video? |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:26:05 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you do that with any of your local dudes? I'm guessing no... And when I said Vietnam style, I meant doing it without the use of modern electronics and associated equipment. Or did you not hear that part of the video? You would guess wrong sweetheart. If I couldn’t do it with friends close by what would be the point. I didn’t say that did I. I said who are you going to doing LRRP missions with and for. I think him telling people to run around with a full ruck, ammo etc will be great to crush a lot of fantasies. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:29:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You would guess wrong sweetheart. If I couldn’t do it with friends close by what would be the point. I didn’t say that did I. I said who are you going to doing LRRP missions with and for. I think him telling people to run around with a full ruck, ammo etc will be great to crush a lot of fantasies. Or a motivator to get better and train more. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:39:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who you guys reconing? Is there a bunch of NVA running around the mountains of the USA or what? Do some recon work then calling in air strikes or large infantry units? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Recommend me a place. I ain't scared of a road trip. I have a feeling, Vietnam recon style tactics is going to be the new topic of discussion for the foreseeable future. Again, I wish someone would teach this stuff. Who you guys reconing? Is there a bunch of NVA running around the mountains of the USA or what? Do some recon work then calling in air strikes or large infantry units? Don't know about your property, but we have a couple hundred acres in eastern KY. Odds of running into a dope grow or meth heads is enough and getting worse that I don't go traipsing around the woods like Gomer. I'm well armed and move like I don't want to be seen before I see you. I've scared the holy hell out of people more than once. Also set up perimeter when I sleep. So, make fun all you want. Its kind of silly to do so..The skills are useful. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:41:23 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't know about your property, but we have a couple hundred acres in eastern KY. Odds of running into a dope grow or meth heads is enough and getting worse that I don't go traipsing around the woods like Gomer. I'm well armed and move like I don't want to be seen before I see you. I've scared the holy hell out of people more than once. Also set up perimeter when I sleep. So, make fun all you want. Its kind of silly to do so..The skills are useful. Same here honestly. It's the reason I was asking about thermal today. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:46:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or a motivator to get better and train more. Exactly. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:47:54 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You would guess wrong sweetheart. If I couldn’t do it with friends close by what would be the point. I didn’t say that did I. I said who are you going to doing LRRP missions with and for. I think him telling people to run around with a full ruck, ammo etc will be great to crush a lot of fantasies. So you can or can't? I can't tell by your incoherent rambling.... |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 7:57:53 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you can or can't? I can't tell by your incoherent rambling.... 
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Posted: 1/3/2022 8:49:12 PM EDT
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For those looking for training in what’s covered in this video and more:
Brushbeater Training is good people- the Scout course is what you’re looking for. Brushbeater Badlands Fieldcraft is also good if you’re West Coast area. Badlands Fieldcraft |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 10:55:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryRecce'ing is to 2022 what zombie hunting was to 2006. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 12:02:23 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Recce'ing is to 2022 what zombie hunting was to 2006. That’s hilarious and true. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 3:36:39 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you can or can't? I can't tell by your incoherent rambling.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/117780/ED805722-8061-41A7-A271-41177796D858-2227451.jpg Looks like a meme someone who has done a lot of R&S would make |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:08:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI am with you on this. I fail to see the point other than, good skills to know, and a great way to get in shape. That's why I suggested it as guys doing it as hunting trips, so you put some meat in the freezer while you learn some new skills and sharpen them and improve your physical shape. But sorta what is the point. Just like was said. Where would I go to test the RF output of a GPS. Into the hills. You go into the hills you are putting your self sorta right out in the open, any RF or heat is going to stick out like a sore thumb. I would think people are harder to find in there native habitat. aka the cities and burbs. Besides you are out in the woods, now what? It's NOT easy to live on the land, it's A LOT of dam work, or it can be. Sure some times of the year one can be fat and happy, but there's a reason the natives called the spring time the "hungry season". Not knocking it, good to know, but to me it screams back country hunting trip. Nothing real world, for a civilian with no military back up. BUT I am sure you guys know far more than me, enlighten me. Now having said that, the info provided, I can see that being a gold mine to anyone that is in opposition to our military, and I am a little shocked it's out there. Mixed feelings on that one. I like knowing how things work, and capabilities, but I don't like our enemies knowing them. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 2:51:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mixed feelings on that one. I like knowing how things work, and capabilities, but I don't like our enemies knowing them. After having a discussion with an alphabet agency guy about foreign intelligence networks, I no longer worry about such things. |
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