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It's not an argument that they didn't plan this because the order was changed. It's an argument that the scene between Melisandre and Arya in S3 is NOT incontrovertible proof that Dumb and Dumber had this planned for the better half of a decade in part because if they had there would be no reason to have the color out of order. And then it's my PERSONAL OPINION that it was just a reference to Arya killing people in general and Dumb and Dumber are using that line as an excuse to shoehorn Arya killing the NK as "something they had planned all along." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is? And then it's my PERSONAL OPINION that it was just a reference to Arya killing people in general and Dumb and Dumber are using that line as an excuse to shoehorn Arya killing the NK as "something they had planned all along." |
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die?
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Mel showing up and reminding us of those things while saying hint hint is proof they backfilled it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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in the after episode thingy, D&D said that they knew 3 years ago that Arya would be the one killing the NK. What they didn't say was if they decided that, or if GRRM told them that's how he was planning for it to happen View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's not an argument that they didn't plan this because the order was changed. It's an argument that the scene between Melisandre and Arya in S3 is NOT incontrovertible proof that Dumb and Dumber had this planned for the better half of a decade in part because if they had there would be no reason to have the color out of order. And then it's my PERSONAL OPINION that it was just a reference to Arya killing people in general and Dumb and Dumber are using that line as an excuse to shoehorn Arya killing the NK as "something they had planned all along." |
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Of all the complaints about the NK death, this one I am certainly on board with. Would have loved to see him murdering some half men and main characters, even if it was before godswood. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Don't think Jon could have taken the Night King anyway https://www.instagram.com/p/BwxNHhOCV2M/?igshid=i2nckbg5o30p |
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She couldn't live with herself after what she did to Shireen, and Davos wouldn't have let her anyway. Her job was done, the world of the living was saved, and she was tired. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Her job was done, the world of the living was saved, and she was tired. Also if she had been motivated to live Davos probably wouldn't have stood a chance. |
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Because her role in the great game was realized, and now she can finally lay to rest, and be at peace with herself. Who wants to live forever? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Who wants to live forever? But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. |
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It could also be said she knew she was going to die of old age soon. So the necklace removal was her coming to terms with that. As opposed to dying and have someone reveal the truth by pulling it off her corpse. But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Who wants to live forever? But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. The necklace is simply a tool she uses to create the glamor that makes her look young. |
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That's exactly my thinking, especially since they added the other quote ft her past into the episode... "Stick them with the pointy end." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Some people are claiming Dumb and Dumber definitely had this ending for the Night King planned for a long time and use the scene with Melisandre meeting Arya in S3 as "proof." Why then in S3 did Melisandre say "brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes" and in S8 she changed it to "brown eyes, green eyes,.... and blue eyes"? If they knew way back then why not have it be the same order? Personally I think that was just a reference to Arya killing people in general and Dumb and Dumber are using that line as an excuse to shoehorn Arya killing the NK as "something they had planned all along." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEj1aN_Rmj0 But there's no change in the story, "prince who was promised" Is a "silly fan theory" how can several books/seasons, prophesies, a war, ruined honor of 2 of Westeros' best men - hold up to a season 7 dagger pass and an eyes quote? "Promise me Ned, promise me" Rhaegar sending the nation to war and ending his house, yada yada. Bullshit, that's just wishful thinking on our part "Definitely Arya, duhh" Muh, Dagger. Eyes quote too. Considering the idea that the story was changed is silly!1 |
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Are you serious? Who the hell would want to see that? Some badass fight between the White Walkers and our heroes that ended with the Night King dual-wielding swords vs Jon and Ayra with their Valyrian steel weapons? Having the Night King walk up to Bran, look at him, and then having Arya jump out the bushes and stab him is obviously WAAAY better. View Quote |
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Some people are claiming Dumb and Dumber definitely had this ending for the Night King planned for a long time and use the scene with Melisandre meeting Arya in S3 as "proof." Why then in S3 did Melisandre say "brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes" and in S8 she changed it to "brown eyes, green eyes,.... and blue eyes"? If they knew way back then why not have it be the same order? Personally I think that was just a reference to Arya killing people in general and Dumb and Dumber are using that line as an excuse to shoehorn Arya killing the NK as "something they had planned all along." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEj1aN_Rmj0 View Quote D&D just got lucky that one of the writers probably remembered that line. But again lets just ignore the story's main prophecy, when Melisandre meets Dany she tells him, about a prince that was promised, that will bring the dawn. |
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Anyone else noticed a lack of cold or snow in Kings Landing now that winter is here? Did the writers forget about this?
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WTF did we not see any of that in the show? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Don't think Jon could have taken the Night King anyway https://www.instagram.com/p/BwxNHhOCV2M/?igshid=i2nckbg5o30p https://youtu.be/5aO_CsqfBAo |
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I am just happy they didn't have Bran do some sort of super saiyan bullshit *shrug*
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Her killing the NK is getting to be one of the most viewed pieces on Youtube. Reaction shots from bars and other public venues have reached over 10,000,000 views. It is impossible to count the times people have went to a video and watched it repeatedly. I'm not going going to try the people that downloaded the video to keep. This one has 3.3 million views alone has garnered 300,000 more views in the past day alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wm3fY5pCY View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you serious? Who the hell would want to see that? Some badass fight between the White Walkers and our heroes that ended with the Night King dual-wielding swords vs Jon and Ayra with their Valyrian steel weapons? Having the Night King walk up to Bran, look at him, and then having Arya jump out the bushes and stab him is obviously WAAAY better. This one has 3.3 million views alone has garnered 300,000 more views in the past day alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wm3fY5pCY |
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Wow the low T from that crowd is emanating so hard from that video through my screen View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you serious? Who the hell would want to see that? Some badass fight between the White Walkers and our heroes that ended with the Night King dual-wielding swords vs Jon and Ayra with their Valyrian steel weapons? Having the Night King walk up to Bran, look at him, and then having Arya jump out the bushes and stab him is obviously WAAAY better. This one has 3.3 million views alone has garnered 300,000 more views in the past day alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wm3fY5pCY Kinda ironic considering in their videos I didn't see one single minority. Just a bunch of SJW looking whities. |
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While everyone seems to think Jon is some awesome fighter, he's had his ass saved by females several times. Also by a little kid, although I doubt Ygritte was actually going to kill him. So having Arya kill the NK is just keeping with tradition. They have made Arya into some kind of Superhero though. Imho she didn't train long enough with the Faceless men or anyone else to become the killer they proclaim her to be.
There were so many weird things for me in this episode. Why all the talk of the crypts being safe and then corpses coming alive if no-one important was going to die down there? Related to that, why could those bodies break through stone when they Walker they took to KL couldn't break through a wooden box? Why bother having Jon tell Daenerys about his lineage if it wasn't going to have any bearing on the battle to come? Why did they basically have Melisandre tell us Arya was going to kill the NK and then think we'd forget about her for the next 20 mins? More of the main characters should have died in this episode with where they had them placed. Jamie, Brienne and Grey Worm were all on the front lines for a period, yet they didn't get swarmed? The writing has suffered since they got past any source material. For all the time they spent building up the NK and the AOTD I just thought this battle should have had more consequences. Sometimes listening to the stuff D&D say in the after the episode stuff and the inside the episode makes me wonder if they are actually watching the show. I don't view Jon as the hero in the traditional sense. Yes he always tries to do the right thing. He does not swoop in to save the day as D&D have claimed. As I mentioned he should be dead several times over if not for being saved by women. His battle plans suck horribly. The one thing he is good at is bringing people together. I was kinda hoping Samwell Tarly would die, and he should have. For some reason I think of him as a combination of Sam and Frodo from LOTR and I couldn't stand either of them. |
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I was kinda hoping Samwell Tarly would die, and he should have. For some reason I think of him as a combination of Sam and Frodo from LOTR and I couldn't stand either of them. View Quote They could have just as easily shown him hacking away at the dead like a madman for 10 seconds and people would like his character more now. |
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Dany could have had her dragon grab the night king instead of trying to burn him.
That would allow for Jon to come up and stab the NK. If that didn’t work, we could always resort to spider monkey. I don’t think people have a problem with Arya killing the NK. I wanted it to be Jon...but o well. But the writers made a nearly invincible bad guy that was surrounded by his own army with zero good guys around minus one dude in a wheel chair...and he was killed. Poor writing. |
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So what is left of Dany’s Army? It seems like all of the Dothraki Army is dead and most of the Unsullied are dead. Are two injured dragons enough?
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So what is left of Dany's Army? It seems like all of the Dothraki Army is dead and most of the Unsullied are dead. Are two injured dragons enough? Writers have proven that you don’t need any army to win any battle. |
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Out only a few days and a quarter million views from the NK Music Theme alone. It feels perfect for the situation. It has 4 main beats; We Are Losing seems to come through loud and clear as it is played. The Night King - Game of Thrones | Piano Tutorial (Synthesia) |
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Out only a few days and a quarter million views from the NK Music Theme alone. It feels perfect for the situation. It has 4 main beats; We Are Losing seems to come through loud and clear as it is played. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD30F_tjogs View Quote |
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So what is left of Dany’s Army? It seems like all of the Dothraki Army is dead and most of the Unsullied are dead. Are two injured dragons enough? View Quote |
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no. The necklace is simply a tool she uses to create the glamor that makes her look young. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Who wants to live forever? But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. The necklace is simply a tool she uses to create the glamor that makes her look young. |
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Yeah I would, as I am a very subjective person https://www.factinate.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/melisandre.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Who wants to live forever? But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. The necklace is simply a tool she uses to create the glamor that makes her look young. https://www.factinate.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/melisandre.jpg |
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Quoted: Haha fuck those soy boys and SJW cunts. What a sorry looking group. No wonder they loved it.. they've watched every episode in a shitty crowded bar while being filmed making overdone reactions for the camera. They haven't been paying attention. They're like groupthink North Koreans trying to outdo each other cheering for Dear Leader. View Quote For the first seasons Arya's main goal was avenging the Starks Jon's was the set up for killing/dealing with the NK I don't mind that much that Arya wound up killing the NK as I mind her coming out of essentially nowhere to do it. Lazy writing/filming on their part. Well the low T and SJW blue hairs loved the gurl power so it's ok, |
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Quoted: Thats what d&d have done, writing fan fiction for SJW's now for a couple of seasons. For the first seasons Arya's main goal was avenging the Starks Jon's was the set up for killing/dealing with the NK I don't mind that much that Arya wound up killing the NK as I mind her coming out of essentially nowhere to do it. Lazy writing/filming on their part. Well the low T and SJW blue hairs loved the gurl power so it's ok, View Quote |
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The real question is, would you bang an 800 year old woman identifying as a hot as 40-something? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Who wants to live forever? But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. The necklace is simply a tool she uses to create the glamor that makes her look young. |
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Who wants to live forever? But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. The necklace is simply a tool she uses to create the glamor that makes her look young. |
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So why did Melisandre take off the necklace to let herself die? Who wants to live forever? But I haven't read the books so I don't know if the necklace truly grants eternal life. The necklace is simply a tool she uses to create the glamor that makes her look young. |
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Of all the complaints about the NK death, this one I am certainly on board with. Would have loved to see him murdering some half men and main characters, even if it was before godswood. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Don't think Jon could have taken the Night King anyway https://www.instagram.com/p/BwxNHhOCV2M/?igshid=i2nckbg5o30p Basically the GoT equivalent of this scene (starting at 0:30): Darth Vader Ending Scene - Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - 4K |
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Meh, I guess I'm the only one who has no issue with Arya smoking the NK. To me it makes all her time with the dark brotherhood make sense. That whole story arc was foreshadowing something big for her. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Okay, I have been doing a lot of thinking and I think I have figured out how I feel about this episode.
Arya is not a Mary Sue. She's been training to fight THE LIVING the entire show. She starts out small and gradually increases in power. Arya killing the NK is not Deus Ex Machina- I believe it's realistic given the parameters of the show. The problem is with the STORYTELLING. It doesn't make sense IN THIS STORY. It's not a satisfying or fulfilling end to Jon Snow's character Arc. His whole arc is pointless now. He had next to no effect on the battle, even thought he's one of 2 main characters in the show. https://old.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bjkeqm/spoilers_this_is_not_nitpicking_this_is_a_massive/ And also specifically THIS reply It's bad writing. The actors are brilliant, the special effects are great. The characters are mostly excellent. The Cinematography, sound, and music are all on point. The source material is fantastic (until the last book) And it even does emotions pretty well. But they are too focused on emotions to tell a good, solid story. And yeah, they do get it right, very right, some times. That's why Ep2 felt pretty well written, on the whole- because it was focusing on human emotion and preparing us for the battle. Even if you go back to Season 6, season 6 was mostly fantastic. If you are sitting here thinking- hmm, should a woman kill the NK, or should it be a man- you've already lost. Because you're not thinking about writing a good story, you are inserting virtue signaling into your decision process. Another example of bad writing- you have Jamie and Brienne, 2 characters we really care about. You barely show them. But you did spend 2 minutes on Lyanna Mormont. Yeah, the zombie giant is cool. But it shouldn't have been able to bust through the castle door so easily. Bad writing. The zombie dragon blew a hole in the castle wall, but now it can't damage Jon Snow if he takes cover behind piles of rubble or interior castle walls. Bad writing. They were too focused on cool shots and emotions to worry about details like a plot that makes sense. |
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Weird fan theory.
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