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Link Posted: 4/15/2019 3:54:55 PM EDT
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Yes, but we don't "know" who is going to kill Cersei based on it.
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Book readers should already know who will kill Cersei.  And it ain't Bronn.  
Except these books haven't been written yet.
The show is beyond the books. Yes the series will end the same way as the books. But as to how each gets there remains a mystery until they are both finished.
Have you read the books?  There was a prophesy that got left out of the show.  From Book 4, I think.
Yes, but we don't "know" who is going to kill Cersei based on it.
Valonqar is a very, very ambiguous term.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:06:09 PM EDT
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The whole speech aimed a Jaime is her bad cop act. She does it to make him think she's going to have him killed, then tyrion or someone will speak for him and she'll relent. It's her goto move when establishing authority on someone she just met, like she did with Varys.
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Yeah, she’s already told multiple people she knows the Mad King earned his name.  Kinda funny considering she is becoming more and more like him.
The whole speech aimed a Jaime is her bad cop act. She does it to make him think she's going to have him killed, then tyrion or someone will speak for him and she'll relent. It's her goto move when establishing authority on someone she just met, like she did with Varys.
Though she had already met both men when she did her "bad cop" act.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:08:41 PM EDT
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Though she had already met both men when she did her "bad cop" act.
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I didn't say she was GOOD at it.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:08:44 PM EDT
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Barristan Selmy told her about it as well.
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No need. Dany already knows what Jaime told Brienne about why he killed her father.
When did she learn that stuff?
Tyrion told her when she wanted to burn down cities in Essos killing thousands of innocent people.
Barristan Selmy told her about it as well.
He just told her about how the Mad King earned his name.  He never knew anything about the real reason Jaime killed him.  Selmy wasn't even in KL for that.

The only people we know Jaime told were Tyrion and Brienne.
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With her Faceless skills, could she impersonate a White Walker to get close? Funky / disassemblable weapon intended for concealment?
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She'd need one of their faces, and they shatter when they die.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:10:10 PM EDT
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Why the hell are they doing joy rides on dragons when they should be flying over the dead, getting a location and estimate of size, and maybe do some strafing runs.

This is why you don't let the Air Force run a war.
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I agree about the idiocy of the Disney-style joy ride.

I gotta disagree about the strafing runs considering what happened the last time.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:10:16 PM EDT
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He just told her about how the Mad King earned his name.  He never knew anything about the real reason Jaime killed him.  Selmy wasn't even in KL for that.

The only people we know Jaime told were Tyrion and Brienne.
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And you have to admit, Jaime told it better. "Burn them all!"
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:13:14 PM EDT
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Yes symbology big time.

The night kings symbols has been shown many times in the series.

Last nights

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_09_54_PM-913500.png

Dead horses after the battle of the Fist of the First Men in season 3

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_47_59_PM-913502.png

The children of the forest around the wierwood tree in season 5 when they make the first whit walker.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_53_39_PM-913503.png

First episode had another symbol that is also seen a bunch of times.  It is similar to the night kings amulet that he wears around his neck.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_37_03_PM-913504.png

Season 7 under Dragonstone Jon snow shows dragon girl these symbols carved into the rocks.
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I'd like to know also. Can someone give us a hand?
Yes symbology big time.

The night kings symbols has been shown many times in the series.

Last nights

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_09_54_PM-913500.png

Dead horses after the battle of the Fist of the First Men in season 3

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_47_59_PM-913502.png

The children of the forest around the wierwood tree in season 5 when they make the first whit walker.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_53_39_PM-913503.png

First episode had another symbol that is also seen a bunch of times.  It is similar to the night kings amulet that he wears around his neck.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_7_37_03_PM-913504.png

Season 7 under Dragonstone Jon snow shows dragon girl these symbols carved into the rocks.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_8_00_41_PM-913507.png

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407062/Screen_Shot_2019_04_14_at_8_01_07_PM-913508.png
Some people are insisting that was a Targaryen sigil and that the Night King was sending Dany a message.

Probably the same people that thought the Dothraki were "paying homage" to Dany when they captured her at the end of S5.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:13:50 PM EDT
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I agree about the idiocy of the Disney-style joy ride.

I gotta disagree about the strafing runs considering what happened the last time.
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That was an extraction out of a hot LZ with no knowledge of the enemies anti air capabilities.

Danys still has a 2 to 1 advantage in airpower. Down the ice dragon, do one or two strafing runs on the army of the dead, stay at top speed to avoid the Night Kings spear, fly home for crew rest. Repeat and wear down the numbers.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:14:41 PM EDT
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With all the social justice love the show gets I can see D&D having Dany on the iron throne and Sansa as Queen of the north. Two powerful wymyns working it out and co ruling.
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Only if we get to see them scissoring naked.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:16:56 PM EDT
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I didn't say she was GOOD at it.
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Though she had already met both men when she did her "bad cop" act.
I didn't say she was GOOD at it.
If I didn't know Dumb and Dumber were a couple of SJW beta soy boy Targaryen fan girls I would think they are trying to make her look like an entitled idiot.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:18:24 PM EDT
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Not a reader of the books.
Thanks.
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Book readers should already know who will kill Cersei.  And it ain't Bronn.  
Not a reader of the books.
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Sorry, it's really just speculation based on some hints.  Nothing definite yet.  And for all we know D&D will put her on the Iron Throne at the end when GRRM was going to have her catch grayscale and fall off her horse over a cliff onto Ser Beriston's sword, even though he died in the show but is still alive in the books.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:18:49 PM EDT
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And you have to admit, Jaime told it better. "Burn them all!"
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He just told her about how the Mad King earned his name.  He never knew anything about the real reason Jaime killed him.  Selmy wasn't even in KL for that.

The only people we know Jaime told were Tyrion and Brienne.
And you have to admit, Jaime told it better. "Burn them all!"
Agreed. It's a joke that NCW (Jaime) didn't even get an EMMY nomination for that episode.  The bath scene with Brienne was amazing.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:20:59 PM EDT
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Lets jump back to last season.
#1 Where did the the dead get the chains to pull the dragon out of the water.
#2 If the dead cannot swim, who went down to wrap the chain around the dragon to pull it out.

I still wonder if Tyrion is a Lannister , could he be Targaryen given the dragon encounter.
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The White Walkers have armor and such, so presumably, they can work metal.

They don't need to swim to go down.  
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:22:34 PM EDT
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Little Lord Umbar. Rough way to go.
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That was an extraction out of a hot LZ with no knowledge of the enemies anti air capabilities.

Danys still has a 2 to 1 advantage in airpower. Down the ice dragon, do one or two strafing runs on the army of the dead, stay at top speed to avoid the Night Kings spear, fly home for crew rest. Repeat and wear down the numbers.
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I agree about the idiocy of the Disney-style joy ride.

I gotta disagree about the strafing runs considering what happened the last time.
That was an extraction out of a hot LZ with no knowledge of the enemies anti air capabilities.

Danys still has a 2 to 1 advantage in airpower. Down the ice dragon, do one or two strafing runs on the army of the dead, stay at top speed to avoid the Night Kings spear, fly home for crew rest. Repeat and wear down the numbers.
What guarantee is there that the Night King is the only one that can hurl ice spears like a goddamn missile?  Maybe all the Walkers can.  Seeing as how it only took one shot to take down Viserion if they attempted that they could be flying into a buzzsaw that would see their 2-1 dragon advantage fall to 0-3.  At that point it'd be all over.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:26:00 PM EDT
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Yea that behind the scene was pathetic. Instead of letting us see for ourselves that these women are capable they tried so hard to make it work and be awesome. It felt super contrived.
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I stopped watching the Behind the Scenes stuff when it became very apparent that it's just them recapping what I just watched and telling me things I already knew because I just watched it and can actually remember what happened in previous episodes.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:26:53 PM EDT
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Only if we get to see them scissoring naked.
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With all the social justice love the show gets I can see D&D having Dany on the iron throne and Sansa as Queen of the north. Two powerful wymyns working it out and co ruling.
Only if we get to see them scissoring naked.
If there is any scissoring shown it'll probably be Grey Worm and Missandei.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:30:19 PM EDT
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What guarantee is there that the Night King is the only one that can hurl ice spears like a goddamn missile?  Maybe all the Walkers can.  Seeing as how it only took one shot to take down Viserion if they attempted that they could be flying into a buzzsaw that would see their 2-1 dragon advantage fall to 0-3.  At that point it'd be all over.
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But we don't see the white walkers spread out through the army for AA protection. Plus it took a few minutes for the Night Kings to grab a spear.

Even if they only do one run, blast fire and go, that's hundreds less, excuse me, fewer wights to fight later.
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Lets jump back to last season.
#1 Where did the the dead get the chains to pull the dragon out of the water.
#2 If the dead cannot swim, who went down to wrap the chain around the dragon to pull it out.

Hardhome is a seaport.  A seaport will have chain.  The last time we saw the night king and the army of the dead before they drug the dragon for from the lake was at Hardhome.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:30:38 PM EDT
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That was an extraction out of a hot LZ with no knowledge of the enemies anti air capabilities.

Danys still has a 2 to 1 advantage in airpower. Down the ice dragon, do one or two strafing runs on the army of the dead, stay at top speed to avoid the Night Kings spear, fly home for crew rest. Repeat and wear down the numbers.
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I agree about the idiocy of the Disney-style joy ride.

I gotta disagree about the strafing runs considering what happened the last time.
That was an extraction out of a hot LZ with no knowledge of the enemies anti air capabilities.

Danys still has a 2 to 1 advantage in airpower. Down the ice dragon, do one or two strafing runs on the army of the dead, stay at top speed to avoid the Night Kings spear, fly home for crew rest. Repeat and wear down the numbers.
Dragon eats some "bad" lamb and get's DNF'd.

Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:31:53 PM EDT
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They wouldn't have lost a dragon last season if bran had been doing his job. Just like the S2, too busy watching porn to warn the pilots about a anti air threat
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I agree about the idiocy of the Disney-style joy ride.

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If you remember the Dothraki had returned with just a few carcasses for the dragons to eat. She was stressing because it wasn’t enough and the dragons would then start eating “what ever they want.”

I initially thought they were going to take them out to hunt for food. But then it turned into a ghetto “gone with the wind” scene.

I did get a good laugh at the dragon giving him the evil eye tho.
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Cerci already gave birth to four. The first, a dark-haired boy, died.

When Ned learned this, he set off to research and concluded that the dead dark-haired boy was a Baratheon, and the living blond kids were Jaime's.
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How does Cerci have another kid if the witch only said three? She better read that warning label able babies on the side of those gallon wine boxes.
Cerci already gave birth to four. The first, a dark-haired boy, died.

When Ned learned this, he set off to research and concluded that the dead dark-haired boy was a Baratheon, and the living blond kids were Jaime's.
That's Gendry.... For the slow learners
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Little Lord Umbar. Rough way to go.
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He didn't seem to be all ripped up so it was probably a WW that killed him rather than a hoard of wights. So at least he had that going for him.
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Uh..
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:53:40 PM EDT
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Looks like some kind of projectile type weapon? I dunno, but I can't wait to see who it's for. I'm thinking the Knight King
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Lol. Gendrys mother was a whore. Who Robert knocked up.
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But we don't see the white walkers spread out through the army for AA protection. Plus it took a few minutes for the Night Kings to grab a spear.

Even if they only do one run, blast fire and go, that's hundreds less, excuse me, fewer wights to fight later.
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What guarantee is there that the Night King is the only one that can hurl ice spears like a goddamn missile?  Maybe all the Walkers can.  Seeing as how it only took one shot to take down Viserion if they attempted that they could be flying into a buzzsaw that would see their 2-1 dragon advantage fall to 0-3.  At that point it'd be all over.
But we don't see the white walkers spread out through the army for AA protection. Plus it took a few minutes for the Night Kings to grab a spear.

Even if they only do one run, blast fire and go, that's hundreds less, excuse me, fewer wights to fight later.
Risk vs reward.

Risk: lose your two remaining dragons and you now have virtually no chance of winning the most important battle fought in thousands of years.

Reward: there are hundreds of fewer wights in an army of the dead that numbers over 10,000.
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Gendry is not dead. Gendry is Robert's bastard. Cersei's first baby died. Revealed in S01E02 and again in S01E05.
Link Posted: 4/15/2019 4:56:44 PM EDT
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Ep1 as a filler episode is a lot of "meh"

i fell asleep trying to watch it 3 times, before making it all the way through

D&D gushing over Dragontits in the AAR was predictable.

It wasn't a terrible episode, but considering 2 years of build-up, it was awful.
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How does Cerci have another kid if the witch only said three? She better read that warning label able babies on the side of those gallon wine boxes.
Cerci already gave birth to four. The first, a dark-haired boy, died.

When Ned learned this, he set off to research and concluded that the dead dark-haired boy was a Baratheon, and the living blond kids were Jaime's.
That's Gendry.... For the slow learners
Gendry is Cersei's dark haired first born son that died?
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I don’t recall any on screen deaths in last night’s episodes. Were  there? Is this the first episode where no one died (on screen)?

I’m not counting the Umber boy. Also, fuck that scene.  About gave me a god damn heart attack.
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I’m a bit disappointed that Sandor didn’t call anyone a cunt.
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Ep1 as a filler episode is a lot of "meh"

i fell asleep trying to watch it 3 times, before making it all the way through

D&D gushing over Dragontits in the AAR was predictable.

It wasn't a terrible episode, but considering 2 years of build-up, it was awful.
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There wasn't much action but it set the stage for a lot of shit that could go down.  Including a possible Jon vs Danny showdown.  Whatever happens there is a lot of dissention in the ranks.  There army is anything but focused on the real threat.
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Lol. Gendrys mother was a whore. Who Robert knocked up.
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There is a lot of speculation that the "miscarried" baby was in fact taken and hidden away from Cersei and just raised by Robert's whore.

I'm not sure I buy it, and given Arya's fondness for Rob a relationship with a bastard would be just her style.
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He called Arya a "Cold little bitch".  That's almost as good.
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Risk vs reward.

Risk: lose your two remaining dragons and you now have virtually no chance of winning the most important battle fought in thousands of years.

Reward: there are hundreds of fewer wights in an army of the dead that numbers over 10,000.
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What guarantee is there that the Night King is the only one that can hurl ice spears like a goddamn missile?  Maybe all the Walkers can.  Seeing as how it only took one shot to take down Viserion if they attempted that they could be flying into a buzzsaw that would see their 2-1 dragon advantage fall to 0-3.  At that point it'd be all over.
But we don't see the white walkers spread out through the army for AA protection. Plus it took a few minutes for the Night Kings to grab a spear.

Even if they only do one run, blast fire and go, that's hundreds less, excuse me, fewer wights to fight later.
Risk vs reward.

Risk: lose your two remaining dragons and you now have virtually no chance of winning the most important battle fought in thousands of years.

Reward: there are hundreds of fewer wights in an army of the dead that numbers over 10,000.
Also, Night King has his own dragon, who can go Mach 1+, for ariel combat.
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I don’t recall any on screen deaths in last night’s episodes. Were  there? Is this the first episode where no one died (on screen)?

I’m not counting the Umber boy. Also, fuck that scene.  About gave me a god damn heart attack.
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Theon killed a bunch of Ironborn while saving Yara.
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The Dothraki act like, what the fuck am I doing here.
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Risk vs reward.

Risk: lose your two remaining dragons and you now have virtually no chance of winning the most important battle fought in thousands of years.

Reward: there are hundreds of fewer wights in an army of the dead that numbers over 10,000.
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Which is the greater risk, using dragons defensively in a siege, when the opposing force is stationary and setting up their AA, or using dragons offensively on a convey?
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Yep. Back in the old country it was all about slaughtering lamb men and taking their women and killing each other at weddings. They were never supposed to cross the poison water. It was known.
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He called Arya a "Cold little bitch".  That's almost as good.
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That's like a hug to him.

The scene where brienne tells him she doesn't need protecting, he's grinning like a proud demented uncle.
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I don't recall any on screen deaths in last night's episodes. Were  there? Is this the first episode where no one died (on screen)?
I'm not counting the Umber boy. Also, fuck that scene.  About gave me a god damn heart attack.
Theon killed a bunch of Ironborn while saving Yara.
I almost laughed when that first one got killed, because he had been on screen for all of 1 second before he died.  But now that actor can say "I was in Game of Thrones!"  
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very possible
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Risk vs reward.

Risk: lose your two remaining dragons and you now have virtually no chance of winning the most important battle fought in thousands of years.

Reward: there are hundreds of fewer wights in an army of the dead that numbers over 10,000.
Which is the greater risk, using dragons defensively in a siege, when the opposing force is stationary and setting up their AA, or using dragons offensively on a convey?
This is war.  You take a risk no matter what, but personally I wouldn't want to do something that could cost me the entire war before the decisive battle even starts all for the benefit of maybe decreasing the enemy army by about 1-5%.  YMMV.
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Theon killed a bunch of Ironborn while saving Yara.
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I don’t recall any on screen deaths in last night’s episodes. Were  there? Is this the first episode where no one died (on screen)?

I’m not counting the Umber boy. Also, fuck that scene.  About gave me a god damn heart attack.
Theon killed a bunch of Ironborn while saving Yara.
Oooooh yeah. My bad.
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Some people are insisting that was a Targaryen sigil and that the Night King was sending Dany a message.

Probably the same people that thought the Dothraki were "paying homage" to Dany when they captured her at the end of S5.
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Weren't the Nights King and the Others defeated thousands of years before the Targaryens even came to westeros?
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Also, Night King has his own dragon, who can go Mach 1+, for ariel combat.
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What guarantee is there that the Night King is the only one that can hurl ice spears like a goddamn missile?  Maybe all the Walkers can.  Seeing as how it only took one shot to take down Viserion if they attempted that they could be flying into a buzzsaw that would see their 2-1 dragon advantage fall to 0-3.  At that point it'd be all over.
But we don't see the white walkers spread out through the army for AA protection. Plus it took a few minutes for the Night Kings to grab a spear.

Even if they only do one run, blast fire and go, that's hundreds less, excuse me, fewer wights to fight later.
Risk vs reward.

Risk: lose your two remaining dragons and you now have virtually no chance of winning the most important battle fought in thousands of years.

Reward: there are hundreds of fewer wights in an army of the dead that numbers over 10,000.
Also, Night King has his own dragon, who can go Mach 1+, for ariel combat.
Exactly.  And he might have some ice spears on the dragon ready to go.
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