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Posted: 7/18/2022 10:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That or maybe the kids actually taken some legit classes. I've taken a few Scott Jedlinski classes and one of the things each covered was quickly closing distance while still getting your hits. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 10:42:49 PM EDT
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This kid makes me proud. I’m somewhat local to him so maybe one day I can meet him and shake his hand. Makes me want to keep teaching my kid how to shoot as he had an absolute blast last weekend when he got to shoot several different calibers.
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Posted: 7/18/2022 10:48:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Buying a red dot won't help you hit at 50 yards. Practicing with whatever setup you have will help you hit at 50 yards. Not if you need bi-focal glasses. I’m very accurate up to ten yards with front sight. With a red dot distance does not matter as far as aiming. Grip and trigger pull matter. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 10:55:00 PM EDT
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Cheers Eli
 If you're reading this, thank you for being a man, and a model American. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 10:59:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: odds are good - USPSA shooter or similar Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he used a pole as a rest according to that story. Has the RDS or not, and which particular Glock been disclosed? odds are good - USPSA shooter or similar From what little I’ve heard about this situation, I’d guess a parent/guardian/mentor with LEO experience taught this young man well. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 11:21:28 PM EDT
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From Twitter:
"You can't have civilians with guns out there. If there's a mass shooter, the civilians don't have the proper training to stand around for an hour hoping the situation resolves itself." |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 11:35:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what little I’ve heard about this situation, I’d guess a parent/guardian/mentor with LEO experience taught this young man well. This. all it takes is one Parent/Guardian/Mentor with street skills and a gun hobby. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 11:35:48 PM EDT
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Saw a couple of comments from Yahoo.
Commenter 1 - They should give mall security video footage to the Uvalde Police department for training. Commenter 2 - Why? They would just wait outside the room until the video was over.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 12:08:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From Twitter: "You can't have civilians with guns out there. If there's a mass shooter, the civilians don't have the proper training to stand around for an hour hoping the situation resolves itself."  BURN |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 12:41:45 AM EDT
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As for someone suing the hero who stopped the carnage, man, if that happens Indiana and other states should look into indemnifying CCW holders who legally defend themselves and others.
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Posted: 7/19/2022 1:35:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As for someone suing the hero who stopped the carnage, man, if that happens Indiana and other states should look into indemnifying CCW holders who legally defend themselves and others. Already done. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 1:48:34 AM EDT
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Imagine he would have stopped the shooter with a plastic straw rammed into his eye ball.
The left would have lost their mind because straws are killing the planet and civilians shouldn't have access to straws. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 1:50:20 AM EDT
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I’m just kinda shocked about all this.I’m a Indianapolis native currently residing in Florida and have frequented Greenwood Mall and that food court since the mid 90’s.I used to live right down the street from there on County Line Rd.Pre Dick’s getting political I’d bought 1000’s of rounds of ammo from the Dick’s sporting goods just outside that food court.Greenwood is the mall where all the surrounding rural communities come and shop.People travel from as far away as Bedford,IN to shop there…I’d say most men and some women in that mall at any given time are armed.Indiana good ol’ boys don’t fuck around.
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Posted: 7/19/2022 1:56:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As for someone suing the hero who stopped the carnage, man, if that happens Indiana and other states should look into indemnifying CCW holders who legally defend themselves and others. Quote HistoryQuoted: As for someone suing the hero who stopped the carnage, man, if that happens Indiana and other states should look into indemnifying CCW holders who legally defend themselves and others. Already done here... Indiana passed a "Gun Owners Bill of Rights", that basically protects them from civil liability in what a court rules is a lawful use of deadly force. He didn't even have a CCW, he was carrying under the new constitutional carry law. https://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/files/Gun-Owners-Bill-of-Rights_Web.pdf Q: Could I be sued if I use my gun to defend myself, my home, or a third person? A: While it is very easy to file a lawsuit against anyone, Indiana law provides complete civil immunity to a person who uses force (including deadly force) if that force is justified under Indiana’s self-defense statute. Ind. Code § 35-41-3-2. If a court determines a person who files a lawsuit was committing a forcible felony or attempting to cause unlawful serious bodily injury or death at the time justified force was used against them in self-defense, the case will be dismissed. The original attacker will be required to cover additional costs, including attorneys’ fees. This law also applies to the family or estate of a person who is killed through the justified use of force. Ind. Code § 34-30-31-1. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 1:59:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m just kinda shocked about all this.I’m a Indianapolis native currently residing in Florida and have frequented Greenwood Mall and that food court since the mid 90’s.I used to live right down the street from there on County Line Rd.Pre Dick’s getting political I’d bought 1000’s of rounds of ammo from the Dick’s sporting goods just outside that food court.Greenwood is the mall where all the surrounding rural communities come and shop.People travel from as far away as Bedford,IN to shop there…I’d say most men and some women in that mall at any given time are armed.Indiana good ol’ boys don’t fuck around. That's the problem The miscreants have destroyed Washington Sq and Lafayette Sq.. they've turned about turned Castleton Sq into a cesspool.. now they are moving to Greenwood. I think they'll find a lot different type of people in Greenwood. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 2:11:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shooter and his guns posing for the gram. https://imgur.com/a/nsdgv0Q Don't appear to be daniel defense roll marks, so maybe the FBI handlers were running low on funds. https://twitter.com/JURYR00M/status/1549127583014453249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw JESUS double points for the GS for hitting that string bean at 40 yards! if he turned sideways he'd disappear! |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 2:12:36 AM EDT
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Fuck I hate leftists.
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Posted: 7/19/2022 2:16:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem The miscreants have destroyed Washington Sq and Lafayette Sq.. they've turned about turned Castleton Sq into a cesspool.. now they are moving to Greenwood. I think they'll find a lot different type of people in Greenwood. Lol…The only mall Bay Bay,Pookie and Lil’ Man Man ain’t destroyed is Greenwood…I said in a previous post it was an unwritten rule amongst black folks to stay outta Johnson County…Lol…I didn’t listen but got damn I couldn’t even get my family to come over my house when I lived in Greenwood. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 2:22:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol…The only mall Bay Bay,Pookie and Lil’ Man Man ain’t destroyed is Greenwood…I said in a previous post it was an unwritten rule amongst black folks to stay outta Johnson County…Lol…I didn’t listen but got damn I couldn’t even get my family to come over my house when I lived in Greenwood. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's the problem The miscreants have destroyed Washington Sq and Lafayette Sq.. they've turned about turned Castleton Sq into a cesspool.. now they are moving to Greenwood. I think they'll find a lot different type of people in Greenwood. Lol…The only mall Bay Bay,Pookie and Lil’ Man Man ain’t destroyed is Greenwood…I said in a previous post it was an unwritten rule amongst black folks to stay outta Johnson County…Lol…I didn’t listen but got damn I couldn’t even get my family to come over my house when I lived in Greenwood. Greenwood itself, it's still pretty nice. I wouldn't hesitate to live there. The issue is it's only about a 25min commute for the hoodrats from Indy to get to the mall. I've noticed a lot of "diversity" there over the last year or so. GPD has a history of being racist or overbearing, I've never had an issue with them. I'm white, and more importantly I'm not an idiot. I choose not to challenge every single thing they, or any other police officer, says and I don't have a probem. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 2:35:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Greenwood itself, it's still pretty nice. I wouldn't hesitate to live there. The issue is it's only about a 25min commute for the hoodrats from Indy to get to the mall. I've noticed a lot of "diversity" there over the last year or so. GPD has a history of being racist or overbearing, I've never had an issue with them. I'm white, and more importantly I'm not an idiot. I choose not to challenge every single thing they, or any other police officer, says and I don't have a probem. I lived in or around Greenwood off and on since the late 90’s.I never personally had any negative experiences there as a black man as far as the police are concerned.I keep to myself and am pretty low key.I generally go wherever I want…I left the Indianapolis area about 10 years ago but do go back frequently.The city is definitely changing.There’s an influx of people moving to Indy from Chicago and Detroit.Those people apparently didn’t get the memo about the south side of Indy…lol…They’re just looking for affordable housing…In an area where the locals ain’t too terribly welcome to diversity…Lol…Notice I said I never had a problem with POLICE…The residents…I could write a book about that. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 3:00:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From Twitter: "You can't have civilians with guns out there. If there's a mass shooter, the civilians don't have the proper training to stand around for an hour hoping the situation resolves itself."  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 6:29:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/19/2022 9:24:05 AM EDT
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I'm shocked this thread is only 12 pages. Armed samaritan ends mass shooting. This is the story the left needs to hear. Eli is a hero.
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Posted: 7/19/2022 9:52:11 AM EDT
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I moved to Tampa from greenwood area about a year ago. I figured it might be worse here for shooting.
Nope. Indy still owns that. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:01:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess they think it would have been better for the shooter to continue for 77 minutes. They're basically telling their children that if they had been at the food court it would have been better if the dude hadn't stopped him and waited for the police to get there and maybe go in and stop him. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:07:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think thats them in the photos then. The sig is the one with the red dot and no irons and the 40rd extendo mag. The S&W has the front sight post and magpul real sight. The glock is pictured with them. I cant make out what that is in his front wasteband. Looks like it could be an IWB holster or maybe a folding knife? I bet he was wishing he's gotten a plate carrier instead of just a mag carrier as he laid there on the floor dying. https://i.imgur.com/loXbH8g.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/T3Bclil.jpeg Another guy built like a girl. Hmmm |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:10:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From Twitter: "You can't have civilians with guns out there. If there's a mass shooter, the civilians don't have the proper training to stand around for an hour hoping the situation resolves itself."
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:11:30 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm shocked this thread is only 12 pages. Armed samaritan ends mass shooting. This is the story the left needs to hear. Eli is a hero. Threads get huge with speculation and recriminations. There is little need for speculation and no recriminations necessary for this incident. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:16:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: When I was 22 I was on my second OIF deployment and a married home-owning cop in my civilian life. This trend of infantalizing adults is ludicrous.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:17:08 AM EDT
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This young man did what the system won't do , prosecute, and did it very well
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:25:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buying a red dot won't help you hit at 50 yards. Practicing with whatever setup you have will help you hit at 50 yards. How to say you don’t have any substantial experience with an RDS pistol without actually saying it. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:26:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIndiana doesn't have CCW permits. We have handgun permits, which former Governor Mitch Daniels (Bush's numbers guy) created a lifetime handgun permit circa 2006. Basically, you need a permit to buy a handgun (all LEO heads sign them without question) , but there are no CCW or other restrictions on how you carry. I've been out of the country and that handgun permit might have been ammended into our constitution, I believe I heard a few years ago. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:28:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically, you need a permit to buy a handgun (all LEO heads sign them without question) , but there are no CCW or other restrictions on how you carry. First part is not true. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:29:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem The miscreants have destroyed Washington Sq and Lafayette Sq.. they've turned about turned Castleton Sq into a cesspool.. now they are moving to Greenwood. I think they'll find a lot different type of people in Greenwood. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:30:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indiana doesn't have CCW permits. We have handgun permits, which former Governor Mitch Daniels (Bush's numbers guy) created a lifetime handgun permit circa 200 Basically, you need a permit to buy a handgun (all LEO heads sign them without question) , but there are no CCW or other restrictions on how you carry. I've been out of the country and that handgun permit might have been ammended into our constitution, I believe I heard a few years ago. You don't need a permit to buy a handgun in Indiana. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:32:52 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:34:01 AM EDT
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I want to see the surveilance camera footage asap. Sounds like a great scenario to watch.
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First part is not true. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:36:40 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From Twitter: "You can't have civilians with guns out there. If there's a mass shooter, the civilians don't have the proper training to stand around for an hour hoping the situation resolves itself." Attached FileLOL ain't that the truth! I was like, "WTF is this libtard bullshit???" Then I got to the end and I was like all, "Tamam, sidi, tamam!"  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:37:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What part? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First part is not true. No permit is required to buy a handgun. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:47:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No permit is required to buy a handgun. OK to transport unless something has changed since the Daniels lifetime handgun permits. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:56:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK to transport unless something has changed since the Daniels lifetime handgun permits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No permit is required to buy a handgun. OK to transport unless something has changed since the Daniels lifetime handgun permits. Constitutional carry passed July 7.... no permit required. The transport issue, was people over reacting. The law was clear you could transport from a place of purchase. The gun just had to be unloaded, etc. To my knowledge (pre Constitutional Carry) a permit was still required to carry loaded in a vehicle, but transporting was from point of sale, to the range, for repair, etc. was not an issue. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 10:59:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indiana doesn't have CCW permits. We have handgun permits, which former Governor Mitch Daniels (Bush's numbers guy) created a lifetime handgun permit circa 2006. Basically, you need a permit to buy a handgun (all LEO heads sign them without question) , but there are no CCW or other restrictions on how you carry. I've been out of the country and that handgun permit might have been ammended into our constitution, I believe I heard a few years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically, you need a permit to buy a handgun (all LEO heads sign them without question) , but there are no CCW or other restrictions on how you carry. I've been out of the country and that handgun permit might have been ammended into our constitution, I believe I heard a few years ago. Where are you getting this information? A permit has NEVER been required to purchase a firearm (or at least it wasn't in 2001 when I got my first gun). A permit (back before the lifetime's came around) used to be a NICS alternative to purchase... when the Lifetime came along, that went away... but it absolutely was not required. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 11:01:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to see the surveilance camera footage asap. Sounds like a great scenario to watch. Greenwood PD chief said it would not be released as it was "way to graphic". Reading another story today, apparently the first person shot, was also armed. He was standing right by the restroom and was the first person shot. Just dumb luck, he probably never had a chance as he was shot as soon as the suspect exited. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 11:06:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are you getting this information? A permit has NEVER been required to purchase a firearm (or at least it wasn't in 2001 when I got my first gun). A permit (back before the lifetime's came around) used to be a NICS alternative to purchase... when the Lifetime came along, that went away... but it absolutely was not required. The point I was trying to address is we've not had CCW permits. The permit only affected the means you obtained a handgun... As most other states focus on carry. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 11:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem The miscreants have destroyed Washington Sq and Lafayette Sq.. they've turned about turned Castleton Sq into a cesspool.. now they are moving to Greenwood. I think they'll find a lot different type of people in Greenwood. lol. Washington square died in the late 80’s, Lafayette square was dead in the 90’s, and Castleton turned to shit in the early 00’s. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 11:12:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for the clarification. The point I was trying to address is we've not had CCW permits. The permit only affected the means you obtained a handgun... As most other states focus on carry. Indiana license is/was a permit to carry. Nothing to do with buying or ownership. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 11:13:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This young man did what the system won't do , prosecute, and did it very well Which is what happened in Ulvade. Public sensitized to police action. Bureaucracy says no one acts without being given authority- by upper echelon management- under threat of severe penalty or action (to be determined later). Upper echelon management is not going to make a decision to act because if it goes sideways or is perceived wrongly (as it will be by someone) then they are held responsible. So wait for it to resolve. THen fuck it with 'official' paperwork, determined by the proper sme/ authorities/ directors/ other agencies/ etc., to direct any form of blame away from anyone of authority (those that 'count') who can be held to any semblance of responsibility for the bad outcomes. Protecting "the team". the bureaucratic state protects itself foremost. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 11:14:40 AM EDT
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Nevermind
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Posted: 7/19/2022 11:21:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for the clarification. The point I was trying to address is we've not had CCW permits. The permit only affected the means you obtained a handgun... As most other states focus on carry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where are you getting this information? A permit has NEVER been required to purchase a firearm (or at least it wasn't in 2001 when I got my first gun). A permit (back before the lifetime's came around) used to be a NICS alternative to purchase... when the Lifetime came along, that went away... but it absolutely was not required. The point I was trying to address is we've not had CCW permits. The permit only affected the means you obtained a handgun... As most other states focus on carry. You still don't get it. The permit had nothing to do with purchasing or obtaining a firearm. Only carrying them |
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