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Seems we got a new DanTSX, definitely not as entertaining though
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Quoted: They're doing it for the same reason Sig did. To recapture some of that lost LEO contracts, because right now many of them are only looking at striker fired guns. Same reason you can get an M&P with a thumb safety and a magazine disconnect. View Quote No agency I can think of issues a pistol with an external safety. |
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They're doing it for the same reason Sig did. To recapture some of that lost LEO contracts, because right now many of them are only looking at striker fired guns. Same reason you can get an M&P with a thumb safety and a magazine disconnect. No agency I can think of issues a pistol with an external safety. Berrettas and third generation smiths. |
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Might check one out, but I could really do without the funky-looking slide tabs. I had the same magazine release problem with my P30 which was corrected with a slightly modified grip.
That being said, I will probably stick with my P30. That gun is like crack. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They're doing it for the same reason Sig did. To recapture some of that lost LEO contracts, because right now many of them are only looking at striker fired guns. Same reason you can get an M&P with a thumb safety and a magazine disconnect. No agency I can think of issues a pistol with an external safety. Berrettas and third generation smiths. Again, I can't think of an agency off the top of my head that issues those. |
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I bet there is a lot of MIM, stampings, and plastic View Quote And what, exactly, do you think Glocks are made of? Do you think the extractor, ejector, and FCG on new Glocks are forged? Bonus question: Name a handgun currently in production and available under $1k that has no MIM parts. |
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And what, exactly, do you think Glocks are made of? Do you think the extractor, ejector, and FCG on new Glocks are forged? Bonus question: Name a handgun currently in production and available under $1k that has no MIM parts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I bet there is a lot of MIM, stampings, and plastic And what, exactly, do you think Glocks are made of? Do you think the extractor, ejector, and FCG on new Glocks are forged? Bonus question: Name a handgun currently in production and available under $1k that has no MIM parts. Hi-Point. It's not injected into the mold, it's poured |
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Hi-Point. It's not injected into the mold, it's poured View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I bet there is a lot of MIM, stampings, and plastic And what, exactly, do you think Glocks are made of? Do you think the extractor, ejector, and FCG on new Glocks are forged? Bonus question: Name a handgun currently in production and available under $1k that has no MIM parts. Hi-Point. It's not injected into the mold, it's poured |
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Again, I can't think of an agency off the top of my head that issues those. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They're doing it for the same reason Sig did. To recapture some of that lost LEO contracts, because right now many of them are only looking at striker fired guns. Same reason you can get an M&P with a thumb safety and a magazine disconnect. No agency I can think of issues a pistol with an external safety. Berrettas and third generation smiths. Again, I can't think of an agency off the top of my head that issues those. The biggest one in the country issues Smiths. |
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Quoted: The biggest one in the country issues Smiths. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They're doing it for the same reason Sig did. To recapture some of that lost LEO contracts, because right now many of them are only looking at striker fired guns. Same reason you can get an M&P with a thumb safety and a magazine disconnect. No agency I can think of issues a pistol with an external safety. Berrettas and third generation smiths. Again, I can't think of an agency off the top of my head that issues those. The biggest one in the country issues Smiths. No, we issue HK P2000s. |
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Slide release is in the wrong place. Too big, and too far back.
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does the grip snap when you fall off of an ATV at speed? http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/loadoutroom-p2000-2-660x3931.jpg View Quote Fixed. And here's a link to the "article" about it: http://loadoutroom.com/3817/when-polymer-guns-fail-hk-p2000/ And yes, it probably does. Because it's plastic. Kinda like other plastic guns out there. Are you going to offer up the capital to do destructive tests on other polymer service pistols under similar conditions to prove that somehow these guns are weak? Or are you just here to troll, too? |
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No way. Matt tries way too hard and is no where near as smart as Dan. He is a wanna be. Kind of sad actually View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems we got a new DanTSX, definitely not as entertaining though Dan=Matt No way. Matt tries way too hard and is no where near as smart as Dan. He is a wanna be. Kind of sad actually 'As smart as Dan'? |
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I'll provide a little VP9 report. Picked up one of the "LE" guns (Mepro night sights, three mags) at the gun show today. I paid about $50 over what I could have ordered one for, but that is about what my FFL transfer fee+fuel there and back would have been, so it's all good. And I already have over a dozen P30 magazines.
I Have not had a chance to shoot it yet, so just a quick "first look". Fit and finish is typical HK, grip is just like the P30, feels great. Initially, I'm liking the cocking nubs, or whatever you want to call them. The trigger feels better than a stock Glock or M&P. Based on limited dry firing, right now, my PPQ M1 has the better trigger. But the PPQ has a few hundred rounds thru it already, so we will have to see after the VP9 is broken in. The G19 with a ghost 5lb tactical connector still feels better than either of them. Hopefully the boy and I get out to the range tomorrow for some real side by side comparison. |
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Quoted: I'll provide a little VP9 report. Picked up one of the "LE" guns (Mepro night sights, three mags) at the gun show today. I paid about $50 over what I could have ordered one for, but that is about what my FFL transfer fee+fuel there and back would have been, so it's all good. And I already have over a dozen P30 magazines. I Have not had a chance to shoot it yet, so just a quick "first look". Fit and finish is typical HK, grip is just like the P30, feels great. Initially, I'm liking the cocking nubs, or whatever you want to call them. The trigger feels better than a stock Glock or M&P. Based on limited dry firing, right now, my PPQ M1 has the better trigger. But the PPQ has a few hundred rounds thru it already, so we will have to see after the VP9 is broken in. The G19 with a ghost 5lb tactical connector still feels better than either of them. Hopefully the boy and I get out to the range tomorrow for some real side by side comparison. View Quote How does the trigger reset feel? Glock-like or what? |
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How does the trigger reset feel? Glock-like or what? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'll provide a little VP9 report. Picked up one of the "LE" guns (Mepro night sights, three mags) at the gun show today. I paid about $50 over what I could have ordered one for, but that is about what my FFL transfer fee+fuel there and back would have been, so it's all good. And I already have over a dozen P30 magazines. I Have not had a chance to shoot it yet, so just a quick "first look". Fit and finish is typical HK, grip is just like the P30, feels great. Initially, I'm liking the cocking nubs, or whatever you want to call them. The trigger feels better than a stock Glock or M&P. Based on limited dry firing, right now, my PPQ M1 has the better trigger. But the PPQ has a few hundred rounds thru it already, so we will have to see after the VP9 is broken in. The G19 with a ghost 5lb tactical connector still feels better than either of them. Hopefully the boy and I get out to the range tomorrow for some real side by side comparison. How does the trigger reset feel? Glock-like or what? I hate to say, before I've had the chance to get a few hundred rounds through the gun. But based on a bunch of side by side dry firing tonight, the reset is at least twice as long, as the G19 with the ghost connector. Right now, the trigger feels pretty "gritty", It's not that smooth. It breaks clean, but has noticeable take up, a positive reset, but it's long compared to the other two. Again, my Glock and PPQ have been shot some (the Glock has been shot a lot ). Right now, if I was going to rate the triggers, it would be #1 Glock/ghost, #2 PPQ, #3 VP9. |
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Quoted: I hate to say, before I've had the chance to get a few hundred rounds through the gun. But based on a bunch of side by side dry firing tonight, the reset is at least twice as long, as the G19 with the ghost connector. Right now, the trigger feels pretty "gritty", It's not that smooth. It breaks clean, but has noticeable take up, a positive reset, but it's long compared to the other two. Again, my Glock and PPQ have been shot some (the Glock has been shot a lot ). Right now, if I was going to rate the triggers, it would be #1 Glock/ghost, #2 PPQ, #3 VP9. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll provide a little VP9 report. Picked up one of the "LE" guns (Mepro night sights, three mags) at the gun show today. I paid about $50 over what I could have ordered one for, but that is about what my FFL transfer fee+fuel there and back would have been, so it's all good. And I already have over a dozen P30 magazines. I Have not had a chance to shoot it yet, so just a quick "first look". Fit and finish is typical HK, grip is just like the P30, feels great. Initially, I'm liking the cocking nubs, or whatever you want to call them. The trigger feels better than a stock Glock or M&P. Based on limited dry firing, right now, my PPQ M1 has the better trigger. But the PPQ has a few hundred rounds thru it already, so we will have to see after the VP9 is broken in. The G19 with a ghost 5lb tactical connector still feels better than either of them. Hopefully the boy and I get out to the range tomorrow for some real side by side comparison. How does the trigger reset feel? Glock-like or what? I hate to say, before I've had the chance to get a few hundred rounds through the gun. But based on a bunch of side by side dry firing tonight, the reset is at least twice as long, as the G19 with the ghost connector. Right now, the trigger feels pretty "gritty", It's not that smooth. It breaks clean, but has noticeable take up, a positive reset, but it's long compared to the other two. Again, my Glock and PPQ have been shot some (the Glock has been shot a lot ). Right now, if I was going to rate the triggers, it would be #1 Glock/ghost, #2 PPQ, #3 VP9. Cool, thanks for the info. |
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My VP9 arrives today. I'll be posting photos and a short review here tomorrow.
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http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870174_zpsbcbf9203.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870201_zpsc21167f3.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870217_zpsbbbfadf7.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870205_zps45fc0199.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870225_zps5ae446a4.jpg Quick review for now: 300 rounds fired, zero malfunctions. Grip feels awesome and accuracy was at par or better than my Glock 19. Magazine release is quicker and easier and I've never used a paddle release prior to today. I like this handgun so much that it is replacing my Glock 19 as my EDC and primary training handgun. As a side note, it carries better than a Glock 17 but prints ever so slightly more than a Glock 19 for appendix carry. Get the VP9! Its awesome View Quote |
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http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870174_zpsbcbf9203.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870201_zpsc21167f3.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870217_zpsbbbfadf7.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870205_zps45fc0199.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870225_zps5ae446a4.jpg Quick review for now: 300 rounds fired, zero malfunctions. Grip feels awesome and accuracy was at par or better than my Glock 19. Magazine release is quicker and easier and I've never used a paddle release prior to today. I like this handgun so much that it is replacing my Glock 19 as my EDC and primary training handgun. As a side note, it carries better than a Glock 17 but prints ever so slightly more than a Glock 19 for appendix carry. Get the VP9! Its awesome View Quote How was the trigger? |
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http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870174_zpsbcbf9203.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870201_zpsc21167f3.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870217_zpsbbbfadf7.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870205_zps45fc0199.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404870225_zps5ae446a4.jpg Quick review for now: 300 rounds fired, zero malfunctions. Grip feels awesome and accuracy was at par or better than my Glock 19. Magazine release is quicker and easier and I've never used a paddle release prior to today. I like this handgun so much that it is replacing my Glock 19 as my EDC and primary training handgun. As a side note, it carries better than a Glock 17 but prints ever so slightly more than a Glock 19 for appendix carry. Get the VP9! Its awesome How was the trigger? How could I have forgotten the trigger... compared to my Glock 19 trigger with the minus connector and competition trigger spring, way more defined. I felt more in control of each shot. I knew exactly when it was going to go bang. I have not had much time with a PPQ trigger but from what I remember, the PPQ felt lighter. The VP9 is definitely am excellent trigger and I feel 100% confident about AIWB carry. |
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In a somewhat ironic twist, I've got to say that's one sweet lookin' Glock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In a somewhat ironic twist, I've got to say that's one sweet lookin' Glock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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for me, the glock looks like crap compared to HK View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm not a huge fan of HK's, but the VP9 looks great.
The 15 round mags are even legal for Colorado faggotry. |
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Thanks for the pics and comparison. Anxious for mine to come in - which could be months from now for all I know
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Seems we got a new DanTSX, definitely not as entertaining though Dan=Matt No way. Matt tries way too hard and is no where near as smart as Dan. He is a wanna be. Kind of sad actually 'As smart as Dan'? Eh, its all relative man |
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Hmmmm, I have $1k in cash burning a hole in my wallet. 4 days off, and
Florida Gun Exchange a couple of hours away (a nice long motorcycle ride)...decisions decisions I was saving this for a P7, but I really am taking a liking to this pistol |
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View Quote Another shooter holds down the slide stop (at 4:44). Why do manufacturers do this. Facepalm. |
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Another shooter holds down the slide stop (at 4:44). Why do manufacturers do this. Facepalm. Because that's where the slide stop belongs. Where it doesn't function because it's in the way of a normal grip? No. |
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Where it doesn't function because it's in the way of a normal grip? No. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Another shooter holds down the slide stop (at 4:44). Why do manufacturers do this. Facepalm. Because that's where the slide stop belongs. Where it doesn't function because it's in the way of a normal grip? No. |
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