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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. |
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For the same reason T_S says what he says: to egg on the believers and rile up the non-believers. Of course he’s going to say it. Doesn’t create proof though. That’s my beef. You (and others) like to throw out opinions that you feel or hope will be “obvious” to others, and then build on them like they are facts ... when they are not. Stick to the facts and you’ll find we don’t disagree as often as you’d imagine. Btw, you totally, inadvertently, lumped T_S and others into the same shill category as Trump. Bravo, sir. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Btw, you totally, inadvertently, lumped T_S and others into the same shill category as Trump. Bravo, sir. |
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If the release of those emails positively impacted the Trump campaign, then the non-release of those same emails should negatively impact the Trump campaign in the election. You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. |
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Go read the GRU indictments again. The FBI was popping boxes all over the world - not just relying on "Muh_Crowdstrike". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Trump's own AG has admitted that Russia conducted a military operation to influence our elections in both 2016 and 2018 The DNC hack was straight-up GRU. Call that whatever you want. Never forget this all happened while Obama was president. You can't trust anything that came out of that administration. Leave it to the coup supporter to believe a conspiracy theory without question. Are you going to deny that? The FBI was popping boxes all over the world - not just relying on "Muh_Crowdstrike". |
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How about your start with the assumption that people here are making arguments in good faith about things they believe in - instead of assuming an "agenda" with zero evidence to support it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: By restating the conclusions of the US government that range from the Barr memo back to the Joint Analysis Report in January 2017? That seems like a stretch. Quoted: I'm pulling the wording from the Barr report. How is that "having an agenda to sow dissent and incite anger"? Quoted: By restating the conclusions of the US government that range from the Barr memo back to the Joint Analysis Report in January 2017? That seems like a stretch. |
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I don’t disagree that others do the exact same. Does not exonerate you though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems like a proper word choice when you don’t have any supporting facts, but are on an agenda to sow dissent and incite anger. |
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Haha. I would submit posting history as a body of evidence, particularly when certain posts go against proven fact and only serve to 1) prove delusion or 2) support an agenda of trolling, but touché. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: By restating the conclusions of the US government that range from the Barr memo back to the Joint Analysis Report in January 2017? That seems like a stretch. Quoted: I'm pulling the wording from the Barr report. How is that "having an agenda to sow dissent and incite anger"? Quoted: By restating the conclusions of the US government that range from the Barr memo back to the Joint Analysis Report in January 2017? That seems like a stretch. |
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Cool. You're still arguing a point I'm not making. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. |
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So it was to "egg on the believers and rile up the non-believers"...but that had zero impact on the election? Weird conclusion but I guess you're entitled to it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Btw, you totally, inadvertently, lumped T_S and others into the same shill category as Trump. Bravo, sir. |
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The "hacked" emails and their release is NOT quantifiable in determining the outcome of the election. It doesn't fucking matter. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. |
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I can't say I understand your fixation on my use of the word attempted. It is literally the exact same language used by the AG, but somehow when I'm using it there is somehow "an agenda" in your mind. What word would you have preferred I use? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems like a proper word choice when you don’t have any supporting facts, but are on an agenda to sow dissent and incite anger. |
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Which is basically what I'm saying - with the caveat of anyone saying that it was "zero" has a really, really big hill to climb. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. |
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We'd probably have to quibble on "proven fact". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It’s not the word itself, it’s how you beat your drum. I just pulled out a single example. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems like a proper word choice when you don’t have any supporting facts, but are on an agenda to sow dissent and incite anger. |
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Which is basically what I'm saying - with the caveat of anyone saying that it was "zero" has a really, really big hill to climb. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. Progress. |
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Oh, so it's just an implication that I must be trolling again as you've done before. Thanks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems like a proper word choice when you don’t have any supporting facts, but are on an agenda to sow dissent and incite anger. |
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Which is basically what I'm saying - with the caveat of anyone saying that it was "zero" has a really, really big hill to climb. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. "Zero" is the logical assumption if you cannot quantify it. |
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Oh, so it's just an implication that I must be trolling again as you've done before. Thanks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Did the witch hunt provide the democrats with a victory in 2018 in the House?Got any exit polling that says that the Russia investigation was a top issue for voters? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. |
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I didn’t imply you were trolling with that; I implied, and called, you a shill - which I didn’t mean to be insulting. There are some things I think you actually, sadly, believe. Stop playing the victim. I just want us to discuss facts ... not media sound bites or partisan hack opinions paraded as facts. View Quote |
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I didn’t imply you were trolling with that; I implied, and called, you a shill - which I didn’t mean to be insulting. There are some things I think you actually, sadly, believe. Stop playing the victim. I just want us to discuss facts ... not media sound bites or partisan hack opinions paraded as facts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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At least we’ve moved from “totally partisan crank” to “really big hill”. Progress. Tomato / Tomato View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. Progress. |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Btw, you totally, inadvertently, lumped T_S and others into the same shill category as Trump. Bravo, sir. Simple summary of my view: Although the exact effect that the Russian interference in 2016 isn't measurable, it certainly wasn't "zero". |
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Having DOJ drop their defense of that ACA separation clause lawsuit is going to be really, really dumb politics leading into 2020. ETA: Assuming the lawsuit is successful. The sooner all this bullshit tears the . Fed to shreds, the sooner we can begin to recover. Trashing ACA without any sort of replacement plan is going to be really stupid politics going into 2020. The Dem candidate will be touting some version of Medicare-for-all and Trump will be touting...what, exactly? "Muh_Unbuilt_Wall" isn't going to fix the bills from little Johnny's broken arm. Healthcare, immigration, Legislative, economic, whatever. Just keep the masses placated enough to vote for “our” guy is killing us. The Left has it easy, they’ll accept any kind of . Fed lovin’
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Btw, you totally, inadvertently, lumped T_S and others into the same shill category as Trump. Bravo, sir. Simple summary of my view: Although the exact effect that the Russian interference in 2016 isn't measurable, it certainly wasn't "zero". Your bias is showing. |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Do you agree or disagree with that statement? You are claiming the hacked emails that were released helped Trump win election. I am telling you that if they hadn't released them, he still would have won election. The only reason this is a "big deal" that those emails were released is because the fbi and Obama administration used it as "justification" for spying on and investigating Trump. It doesn't fucking matter. |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174335/6155DE98-174A-464E-A497-EEC3BD0B8DC4-891773.gif If I asked the question "Exactly how much did the DNC email release help Trump?" - how would you answer? Notice how some in this crowd won't ever let that point go. We could have a lengthy discussion talking about how much the Russian interference impacted the election - but in my opinion no one outside of the total partisan crank crowd can seriously answer with "zero". Okay I'll bite. Why did Trump spend the last month or so of his campaign waving the emails around at rallies? Btw, you totally, inadvertently, lumped T_S and others into the same shill category as Trump. Bravo, sir. Simple summary of my view: Although the exact effect that the Russian interference in 2016 isn't measurable, it certainly wasn't "zero". |
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Trying to blame the Russia investigation for the midterm blowout is going to be difficult: Polling before the midterms: https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-healthcare-economy-immigration.aspx https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/01/a-look-at-voters-views-ahead-of-the-2018-midterms/ Exiting polling data: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/midterm-exit-polls-2018-n932516 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-voters-viewed-trump-health-care-and-immigration-according-to-exit-polls https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2018-exit-poll-analysis-56-percent-country/story?id=59006586 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/exit-polls-suggest-midterm-election-voters-focused-on-health-care-and-immigration-not-the-booming-economy-2018-11-06 View Quote Not a stretch at all to conclude the soft coup attempt had a possible profound effect on how they voted and why SO MANY MORE than normal showed up to vote in the first place. I gotta hand it to you democrats and nevertrumpers, you did a good job of succeeding in getting the House back in Pelosi's hands and stopping anything Trump for the next two years. |
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Well some of those polls say that up to 60 percent of the democrats (turnout MUCH HIGHER THAN NORMAL) said their House voting was directly dependent on how they felt about Trump. Not a stretch at all to conclude the soft coup attempt had a possible profound effect on how they voted and why SO MANY MORE than normal showed up to vote in the first place. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: The IRA was a bunch of contractors tied to Russian intelligence. The DNC hack was straight-up GRU. Call that whatever you want. The same people who vouched for the piss dossier and ran a coup against a sitting president, tell us that Russia hacked the DNC AND leaked it to wiki leaks. Also it was never a definitive conclusion based on hard facts , just a Russia was probably responsible based on the information they had available. Sorry that's not credible. Especially not when you factor in that a paid for partisan dossier loaded with unverified/false information was created and used by these intelligence officials and agencies. That they vouched for. And used it to spy on the opposition campaign. That they then used to launch a 2 year coup attempt to protect themselves with. Go read the GRU indictments and then come back and tell me about all the "no factual basis" you find. Also - the silly layperson theory regarding the DNC servers still doesn't account for Podesta's email breach. Totally different system, different compromise method - same attribution. |
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