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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:26:27 PM EDT
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It's annoying that all of major manufacturers haven't all agreed on a single standard, yes. The blame lays with them.
However, 5-10 minutes of research before you decided to move forward with this project would have made this clear. I honestly didn't know anything about AR-10S/308 ARs before I built mine. As soon as I started looking into it on the tech forum and shopping for various parts, it quickly became apparent that this was the case and that I needed to be sure the parts I selected would all be useable on the same gun. As a consumer, it always behooves you to do at least a minimal amount of research before parting with your money. A little bit of research and planning will save you a lot of headaches and money in the long run. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:30:26 PM EDT
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OP builds rifle from cheap component
OP mad when he has cheap component problems OP blames platform |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:32:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You make my point. With ar15's, I can throw an aero upper on a psa lower. I can throw a psa upper on an Anderson lower. You can literally use 15 different parts sources and they all work. I have several bullet ar15 80% lowers I've done and numerous forged ones too. Not a single issue. Then I do this bastard and WTF... It's not a psa issue. I helped a guy out when he was assembling an AR-15 from kits that he had bought at a gun show (buy a stripped lower at one table, buy a box of parts from another table). At one point, I was wondering if we were ever going to get the upper and lower properly connected. The pivot pin and takedown pin went in the lower without any trouble, but for some reason the distance between the two were different measurements on the upper and the lower. Took some comparing with my lowers and uppers (trying to put his upper on my lowers, and my uppers on his lower) to figure out exactly where the problem was, then some careful work with a round file to elongate a pin hole in his upper. Some sources are better than others at keeping the dimensions within tolerances. In his case, there was nothing indicating who had made the parts that were in his box, but it was all new parts. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:37:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:41:40 PM EDT
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Remember when Colt "Sporters" had larger takedown pins, and all the fixes for that.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, glad I don't have to worry about different manufacturers or specs when I'm building FALs. wait a second....  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:46:20 PM EDT
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lol, I was banging steel at 1000 yards all morning, it's not the platform, it's your build that sucks.
I've gone out to 1200 yards but ran out of range before I ran out of gun. You need to fix your shit. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:47:58 PM EDT
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Show me on the doll where Eugene Stoner touched you.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buying the upper and lower from the same company is key. Takes 95% of the problems out of the equation. Biggest thing after that is ensuring you get the correct pattern/height rail and correct mags. Me? I’m a ZEV/MEGA MATEN man  Yep, I build a ZEV and have way more money into it than I should, but it puts rounds down range really well. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:48:54 PM EDT
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Is this a parody thread?
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:51:16 PM EDT
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My ar10’s work and look great.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:51:33 PM EDT
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 Attached FileI built a PSA AR10 using the Trump meme lower that came out a few years ago and its been flawless. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:52:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:53:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AR10 doesn't suck, your AR10 sucks No kidding. Weak rant OP. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:53:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This heavy bitch….. https://i.imgur.com/wBIBxN4.jpg Can do this…. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4827/1A6A0177-8AAC-408B-B7A6-F16679C5D8E8_jpe-2613368.JPG Shot her around 500 rounds suppressed before it started to malfunction, I cleaned just the extractor groove only. No lube, popped it back in and she ran like a top. I took her to a two week observer/sniper school, she was drug through the mud and dirt. She was shot wet and dry. She was shot somewhat warm but mostly cold and a couple of times frozen. She didn’t stop, I finally burnt the barrel out and she still runs like a top. The new barrel is a DPMS pattern barrel. This one had a FA binary in it and it ran like a top too but it was too expensive to shoot like that so out the trigger went. It didn’t malfunction either, it has a K can now… https://i.imgur.com/AhDYSdo.jpg Both of these have been reliable with all surplus, match and hand loads I’ve run through them…. @Ghostface What tripod system is that? |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AR10 doesn't suck, your AR10 sucks I disagree, the AR10 itself sucks (as it currently exists.) 87 patterns, 69 magazines, 420 manufacturers with 9000 different specs just because "well ours is better". |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:00:35 PM EDT
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I bought a billet 80 lower last year sometime because it was on a huge clearance sale. I had no intention to build it as I don't really want or need one. This tells me pretty much everything I need to know about the rest of your OP. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of build is that? Oh.....PSA. Should have built an Aero instead.  Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of build is that? Oh.....PSA. Should have built an Aero instead. Yep Quoted: The AR10 doesn't suck, your AR10 sucks Exactly |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:03:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buys 80% lower on clearance. Complains about entire platform when it doesn't work. Oh how I love this place. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AR10 doesn't suck, your AR10 sucks And here it is  Love my Larue PredatOBR and Sig Tread great rifles
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:05:31 PM EDT
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It’s like VHS vs. Betamax, except neither became the standard and it sucks.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:06:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Ghostface What tripod system is that? @foxxnhound It a Benro aluminum tripod with a 36# Benro ball head, I forget the exact model but if you want to know for sure IM me and I will check tomorrow. It’s really sturdy… |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:07:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted  By Blanco_Diablo:Funny. Doesn't seem to be an issue with mine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20221125_155150_jpg-2613432.JPG I just jizzed my pants. It would have been better if there was a can though. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:07:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:11:47 PM EDT
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Not if you do it right
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:14:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: It has nothing to do with the concept of the rifle itself and everything to do with nothing seems to standardized. There is really not standardization in the way of an AR15. Your mistake was assuming it would be as easy as an AR15. If you had bothered to ask around here a lot of people could have told you at the very least you need to make sure the upper and lower is by the same company. That's at the very least. What you are trying to build is not really an AR10, but a long-action AR style gun. There are lots of them, with little variations from one model to the other. You found out the hard way. Maybe someone considering such a build can learn from this thread. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBV6dPmUEAAJD4o?format=jpg&name=900x900 This. My two Armalite AR10s didn't have any of those problems. Weird. Top says: "Armalite" "AR-10" Bottom: not a AR-10  |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:21:02 PM EDT
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You bought the wrong parts lol. You failed. Not the ar10.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:21:57 PM EDT
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The last two “AR-10s” I have bought both make me smile every time I shoot them. 716i and SFAR.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:23:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just jizzed my pants. It would have been better if there was a can though. Tell me about it . Can't find one and not willing to pay r-tard money for one.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:25:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it doesn't say "Armalite", it's not an AR-10. Top says: "Armalite" "AR-10" Bottom: not a AR-10 https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/AR-10-Lower-Receiver-Comparison.jpg You know a lot of ar15's don't say ar15 on them? A lot of 1911's don't either. But they're still ar15's and 1911's. And every large frame ar is an ar10. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:26:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You make my point. With ar15's, I can throw an aero upper on a psa lower. I can throw a psa upper on an Anderson lower. You can literally use 15 different parts sources and they all work. I have several bullet ar15 80% lowers I've done and numerous forged ones too. Not a single issue. Then I do this bastard and WTF... It's not a psa issue. I'm not necessarily mechanically inclined and assembling my ar10 was a breeze. Do some research on what parts are universal and which need to be purchased based on your lower/upper. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:26:54 PM EDT
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I changed my old 24" DPMS Panther to an 18" lightweight chromed lined barrel. Added an A2 front sight and LMT SOPMOD stock. Had no problems.
I made sure all parts were compatible & DON'T try to make mismatched stuff work. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:28:26 PM EDT
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I don’t know. I’m an idiot and I built one that runs great. Did have to mess with the gas block a bit.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:32:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:34:52 PM EDT
[#36]
LOL.
YOUR AR10 sucks. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:38:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree, the AR10 itself sucks (as it currently exists.) 87 patterns, 69 magazines, 420 manufacturers with 9000 different specs just because "well ours is better". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The AR10 doesn't suck, your AR10 sucks I disagree, the AR10 itself sucks (as it currently exists.) 87 patterns, 69 magazines, 420 manufacturers with 9000 different specs just because "well ours is better". I was incredibly confused why my “308 AR” firing pin had a spring. That’s when I realized there were two standards. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:40:56 PM EDT
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Only Armalite sells real AR10's
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:43:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: I bought a billet 80 lower last year sometime because it was on a huge clearance sale. I had no intention to build it as I don't really want or need one. Well then a complete rifle kit goes on sale and god dammit I might as well build this thing now. I'll have an AR10 for $600. So I finally got around to finishing the thing this weekend and I'm way unimpressed. You bought a POS lower and apparently used bottom of the barrel or clearance parts to “assemble” You get what you pay for |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:44:02 PM EDT
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Noreen billet lower, Aero M5 upper, Aero parts kit, AIM SSAT trigger, just got the McGowan 18” barrel in the other day, no fit issues so far
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You make my point. With ar15's, I can throw an aero upper on a psa lower. I can throw a psa upper on an Anderson lower. You can literally use 15 different parts sources and they all work. I have several bullet ar15 80% lowers I've done and numerous forged ones too. Not a single issue. Then I do this bastard and WTF... It's not a psa issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What kind of build is that? Oh.....PSA. Should have built an Aero instead. You make my point. With ar15's, I can throw an aero upper on a psa lower. I can throw a psa upper on an Anderson lower. You can literally use 15 different parts sources and they all work. I have several bullet ar15 80% lowers I've done and numerous forged ones too. Not a single issue. Then I do this bastard and WTF... It's not a psa issue. Well PSA decided to create a lower that can't be used on uppers made by most other "AR10" manufacturers. Unfortunately it is a Beta vs VHS situation, unlike AR-15's which are like CD's, in that their parts can generally be used across the board, regardless of manufacturer. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree, the AR10 itself sucks (as it currently exists.) 87 patterns, 69 magazines, 420 manufacturers with 9000 different specs just because "well ours is better". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The AR10 doesn't suck, your AR10 sucks I disagree, the AR10 itself sucks (as it currently exists.) 87 patterns, 69 magazines, 420 manufacturers with 9000 different specs just because "well ours is better". Of those 87 patterns, how many are an AR10? |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know a lot of ar15's don't say ar15 on them? A lot of 1911's don't either. But they're still ar15's and 1911's. And every large frame ar is an ar10. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it doesn't say "Armalite", it's not an AR-10. Top says: "Armalite" "AR-10" Bottom: not a AR-10 https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/AR-10-Lower-Receiver-Comparison.jpg You know a lot of ar15's don't say ar15 on them? A lot of 1911's don't either. But they're still ar15's and 1911's. And every large frame ar is an ar10. Just because you typed it, doesn’t make it true. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:50:28 PM EDT
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I have to agree with the OP but for a different reason. AR10 is too heavy for a crippled up guy such as myself. I had a beautiful armalite that I built and sold shortly after. It was a tack driver but felt like it weighed 50lbs.
Same reason I sold my AR50 and my Serbu BFG. You able bodied types might disagree. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AR10 doesn't suck, your AR10 sucks |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:50:42 PM EDT
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Oops. Weird delayed double tap.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:57:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it doesn't say "Armalite", it's not an AR-10. Top says: "Armalite" "AR-10" Bottom: not a AR-10 https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/AR-10-Lower-Receiver-Comparison.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBV6dPmUEAAJD4o?format=jpg&name=900x900 This. My two Armalite AR10s didn't have any of those problems. Weird. Top says: "Armalite" "AR-10" Bottom: not a AR-10 https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/AR-10-Lower-Receiver-Comparison.jpg I know, thanks, chief. Mine both said Armalite and had that fancy lion on them. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:58:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny. Doesn't seem to be an issue with mine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20221125_155150_jpg-2613432.JPG Wonder what the secret is?  |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 6:00:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2022 6:13:27 PM EDT
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Op built a great value brand ar10 and is surprised it sucks.
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